Obama is right. Something needs to be done about this gun problem.

[P51]

"At some point, we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this kind of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. It doesn't happen in other places with this kind of frequency."

Obama couldn't be more right.


In the last 30ish years there have been almost 80 mass shootings in the US, far greater than any total in any other civilized developed country. 38 in from 2009 - 2013. To put this in prospective, UK - 1, Canada - 2, France - 3, Germany 3. But gun nuts would have you believe that the whole world suffers from this problem.


but but but banning guns will just make us law abiding citizens unarmed and the criminals will keep getting them illegally! They don't follow the rules!

But they fuken do follow the rules.



If you have an IQ over 50 you should realize this is a fuken problem.


These killers target gun free zones! If I was there with my AR-15 I would have mowed this guy down the second he entered the church. I would have used my terminator vision, saw he was packing and boom dead before he even knew what's up!

Oh really? Gun free zones huh? So what did they have at the Dallas police station? BB guns? Maybe, just maybe mental people attack places they want to regardless if there is a threat. Maybe kids attack their schools because its the center of the their world. But nah, they do it because its a GUN FREE ZONE1!!1! This isn't a bank robbery where people are looking for the least resistance, they are going to places that have caused them some sort of distress.


The 2nd amendment lets us all have guns and that's what should happen! Everyone should have guns, this will prevent crime! No one will commit crimes if there are tons of guns out there!


Funny because a Harvard study proved more guns = more murders. Who would have fuken thought? Seems common sense is lacking in the gun nut circle.


Gun control doesn't work!


Don't be fooled by gun nuts lies that gun control doesn't work. They like to site D.C. as their go to example, but they are too dumb to understand that a fuken city where 500,000+ people go in and out of freely daily isn't a good example that gun control doesn't work. Maybe if there was a giant wall surrounding the city and every person was searched bringing guns in AND THEN IT FAILED, you would have an argument. You need to go bigger than a city. Like a fuken state. And surprise, guess what the facts show:




In 2011, economist Richard Florida dove deep into the correlations between gun deaths and other kinds of social indicators. States with tighter gun control laws appear to have fewer gun-related deaths.




And now we wait for the gun nuts to spew "Nice liberal propaganda, my info from hillbilly joe's website counters your arguments!"

[McNatty69]

in on gun thread #473692682

[Arnej]

If I had an IQ over 50 it would be 51

[Cpaballin]

You brave, brave miscer.

Stand tall, hardy and at the ready for the hard right miscers are gonna pile on you like a ton of bricks.

[Lendogg]

So how do you propose we get the 300 million guns out of America?

Also our government cant stop the cartels of Mexico from smuggling billions worth of drugs across the border. How are they going to stop guns from crossing?

[Marronis]

Everyone and their children has a gun in SC, too late for that breh.

[Tweedurr]

Crazy people still do crazy things. Boston bombers, OKC bombing, etc. We need to take a closer look on how the mentally ill are treated in this country. All men are not created equal, and we need to realize that before going after the dangerous inanimate objects that kill people on their own.

[motilynn]

What would be your suggestions for tighter laws? Srs. Not trying to be a smart azz.

[MyBaddBrah]

Guns will not be banned. Who was purpose for 2nd Amendment?

[McNatty69]

You brave, brave miscer.

Stand tall, hardy and at the ready for the hard right miscers are gonna pile on you like a ton of bricks.

lol'd

[BrawnySwoleman]

In on easy 10 page thread.

[Ratfish]

but how do you pull all of those guns out of circulation?

[DarthScorpio11]

Guns don't need to be made illegal. As a matter of a fact, we should be able to own automatic weapons --considering criminals will have them. The thing is, when you adopt a kid, you can't just walk in one day and purchase on right off the back. They screen people who will be fit and people who would not. You should have to, at a minimal, go through 6 months of training, have background check, and mental health check. Assuming you make it through, most Americans should be able to own one.

[CrookedDink]

[P51]

What would be your suggestions for tighter laws? Srs. Not trying to be a smart azz.

I never claimed to be an expert on solving the problem, I'm just not dumb enough to ignore there is a fuken serious problem.


An easy and over the top way (not saying the best way) would to put a ban on production of firearms and ammunition for non government contracts and make the penalty of being caught with a firearm very very serve (like 20+ years in prison severe) and any crime committed with a firearm is automatic life. Sure this is going to cause a lot of issues at first and cost a ton of money, but over time it would work.


In the short term you need to make it super super super hard to buy a gun and illegal to give a gun to anyone else. You shouldn't be allowed to fail a background check for a gun, and then have your buddy buy you one and then bam you got a gun and the law says its okay.

[CalmWind]

US population : 319 million

UK population : 64 million

France population : 66 million


And the US shares a large border with a 3rd world poverty stricken country. Europe doesn't have that problem.

Please tell me more about how you want to compare US vs UK vs France vs other countries.

[AlacrityH]

OPs rep power means this thread will be interesting.

[Tweedurr]

Guns don't need to be made illegal. As a matter of a fact, we should be able to own automatic weapons --considering criminals will have them. The thing is, when you adopt a kid, you can't just walk in one day and purchase on right off the back. They screen people who will be fit and people who would not. You should have to, at a minimal, go through 6 months of training, have background check, and mental health check. Assuming you make it through, most Americans should be able to own one.

6 months of training? Can you break that down month by month or some kind of schedule? If you need 6 months to be trained on how to use a firearm you're probably an idiot. A weekend course will do just fine. We need to tighten mental health checks.

[Billynghialam]

here he stands

the biggest challenger the misc has ever seen

i love my guns but heres a rep before you get torn to shredz

[GriecoR]

Crazy people still do crazy things. Boston bombers, OKC bombing, etc. We need to take a closer look on how the mentally ill are treated in this country. All men are not created equal, and we need to realize that before going after the dangerous inanimate objects that kill people on their own.

This is the only answer. Better screening. This would slowly reduce the amount of guns in circulation.

[AndYUKnowThis]

Cars kill mor than guns. Let's get rid of those

[Lendogg]

You shouldn't be allowed to fail a background check for a gun, and then have your buddy buy you one and then bam you got a gun and the law says its okay.

Federal law prohibits straw purchases by criminalizing the making of false statements to an FFL about a material fact on ATF Form 4473, or presenting false identification in connection with the firearm purchase. Two federal statutes – 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(6) and 18 U.S.C. § 924(a)(1)(A) – are the primary laws under which straw purchases are prosecuted.




Imagine that. There is a law against that.










First, 18 U.S.C. § 922(a)(6) prohibits any person:

[I]n connection with the acquisition or attempted acquisition of any firearm or ammunition from a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, knowingly to make any false or fictitious oral or written statement or to furnish or exhibit any false, fictitious, or misrepresented identification, intended or likely to deceive such importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector with respect to any fact material to the lawfulness of the sale or other disposition of such firearm or ammunition.

Subject to limited exceptions, 18 U.S.C. § 924(a)(1)(A) imposes criminal penalties, such as fines and imprisonment, upon any person who:

[K]nowingly makes any false statement or representation with respect to the information required by [federal firearms law] to be kept in the records of a person licensed under [federal firearms law] or in applying for any license or exemption or relief from disability under the provisions of [federal firearms law].

These false statements or representations are punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and up to 10 years in prison.14

[icomesb4u]

I never claimed to be an expert on solving the problem, I'm just not dumb enough to ignore there is a fuken serious problem.


An easy and over the top way (not saying the best way) would to put a ban on production of firearms and ammunition for non government contracts and make the penalty of being caught with a firearm very very serve (like 20+ years in prison severe) and any crime committed with a firearm is automatic life. Sure this is going to cause a lot of issues at first and cost a ton of money, but over time it would work.


In the short term you need to make it super super super hard to buy a gun and illegal to give a gun to anyone else. You shouldn't be allowed to fail a background check for a gun, and then have your buddy buy you one and then bam you got a gun and the law says its okay.

good thing i live in the south. that chit will never fly down here

[nordiclifter]

You brave, brave miscer.

Stand tall, hardy and at the ready for the hard right miscers are gonna pile on you like a ton of bricks.

lold, this^^


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[Arnej]

we should get rid of everything i want to live in a septic tank

[Tweedurr]

This is the only answer. Better screening. This would slowly reduce the amount of guns in circulation.

Well, for guns that are purchased legally and used for crime. Then there's places like Chicago where illegal guns have flooded the streets via black market or straw man purchases.

[infinit]

US population : 319 million

UK population : 64 million

France population : 66 million

Please tell me more about how you want to compare US vs UK vs France vs other countries.

Multiply the France and UK figures by 5 and it still makes little difference.

[surf junkie]

Total country-wide firearm confiscation/buyback would take awhile but there is a finite amount and it can be done 1 at a time. Might take 20 years but if Ameribrahs think the end justifies the means then whats the problem? Don't do it cause its too hard?

[Avalanche3319]

Drunk driving is a far bigger problem in this country than gun violence. Do you propose we ban alcohol? Again...?

[KingOfChaos]

P51 is a political troll and anything he posts shouldn't be taken seriously. His whole purpose in life is to rustle jimmies.