What do welfare recipients do to give back to the society?

[ScubaStevo]

Safety net programs: About 11 percent of the federal budget in 2014, or $370 billion, supported programs that provide aid (other than health insurance or Social Security benefits) to individuals and families facing hardship. Spending on safety net programs declined in both nominal and real terms between 2013 and 2014 as the economy continued to improve.

These programs include: the refundable portions of the Earned Income Tax Credit and Child Tax Credit, which assist low- and moderate-income working families through the tax code; programs that provide cash payments to eligible individuals or households, including Supplemental Security Income for the elderly or disabled poor and unemployment insurance; various forms of in-kind assistance for low-income families and individuals, including SNAP (food stamps), school meals, low-income housing assistance, child care assistance, and assistance in meeting home energy bills; and various other programs such as those that aid abused and neglected children.

http://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-...tax-dollars-go


So of this 11 percent, what percent are non-deserving leeches? And remember, this 11% includes more than just "welfare".

[forcexdistance]

Safety net programs: About 11 percent of the federal budget in 2014, or $370 billion, supported programs that provide aid (other than health insurance or Social Security benefits) to individuals and families facing hardship. Spending on safety net programs declined in both nominal and real terms between 2013 and 2014 as the economy continued to improve.

These programs include: the refundable portions of the Earned Income Tax Credit and Child Tax Credit, which assist low- and moderate-income working families through the tax code; programs that provide cash payments to eligible individuals or households, including Supplemental Security Income for the elderly or disabled poor and unemployment insurance; various forms of in-kind assistance for low-income families and individuals, including SNAP (food stamps), school meals, low-income housing assistance, child care assistance, and assistance in meeting home energy bills; and various other programs such as those that aid abused and neglected children.

http://www.cbpp.org/research/policy-...tax-dollars-go


So of this 11 percent, what percent are non-deserving leeches? And remember, this 11% includes more than just "welfare".

[forcexdistance]

Oooops, looks like I double posted. Oh well.


So anyhow, of this 11% let's say about 10% goes to non-deserving leeches. This means about 1% of the national budget is wasted on non-deserving welfare leeches.

Now, let's look at the "defense" budget......

[fitnessislife]

Welfare recipients didn't earn that. Somebody else made that happen.

[ScubaStevo]

Oooops, looks like I double posted. Oh well.


So anyhow, of this 11% let's say about 10% goes to non-deserving leeches. This means about 1% of the national budget is wasted on non-deserving welfare leeches.

Now, let's look at the "defense" budget......

Let's look at Social security. 100% of the people who work for a living would be better off, more often than not, putting their money into an account that earns 3%. At least then they woulnd't be getting the guaranteed negative return SS promises.

However, SS is required because it is needed to provie for those who don't want to save money - and for the people with a doctors note saying that their minor arthritis prevents them from working any job.. I.E. welfare.

medicare/aid is similar - paying for those who don't/can't pay for it. thus prices for insurance skyrocket for everyone else.

it is cute to say "10%" goes to welfare, and then use democrat rhetoric to explain away the rest.

LMFAO

[forcexdistance]

Let's look at Social security. 100% of the people who work for a living would be better off, more often than not, putting their money into an account that earns 3%. At least then they woulnd't be getting the guaranteed negative return SS promises.

However, SS is required because it is needed to provie for those who don't want to save money - and for the people with a doctors note saying that their minor arthritis prevents them from working any job.. I.E. welfare.

medicare/aid is similar - paying for those who don't/can't pay for it. thus prices for insurance skyrocket for everyone else.

it is cute to say "10%" goes to welfare, and then use democrat rhetoric to explain away the rest.

LMFAO

OK then, 2% of the budget is wasted on the leeches.


Now, about that "defense" budget. It's almost like they want to distract us from it with all the "entitled class" talk. Hmmm, why would they want to do that?

[ScubaStevo]

OK then, 2% of the budget is wasted on the leeches.


Now, about that "defense" budget. It's almost like they want to distract us from it with all the "entitled class" talk. Hmmm, why would they want to do that?

Let's cut defense to 0 and let ISIS move in next door to you. Sound good?

[kusok]

To society? Nothing.

To politicians? Votes.

[fitnessislife]

Let's look at Social security. 100% of the people who work for a living would be better off, more often than not, putting their money into an account that earns 3%. At least then they woulnd't be getting the guaranteed negative return SS promises.

However, SS is required because it is needed to provie for those who don't want to save money - and for the people with a doctors note saying that their minor arthritis prevents them from working any job.. I.E. welfare.

medicare/aid is similar - paying for those who don't/can't pay for it. thus prices for insurance skyrocket for everyone else.

it is cute to say "10%" goes to welfare, and then use democrat rhetoric to explain away the rest.

LMFAO

I don't know why you're surprised. It's all they have. When that argument fails, they'll move on to crying about Fox News or some other done-to-death talking point.

[fitnessislife]

Let's cut defense to 0 and let ISIS move in next door to you. Sound good?

People whining about the defense budget being too big are no different than the Baltimore fools who protested against police and now are stunned nobody is there to protect them from the human filth.

[TaeBoNinja]

Let's cut defense to 0 and let ISIS move in next door to you. Sound good?

Don't need to cut it to zero. Just need to stop giving money to foreign countries, and stop subsidizing everyone else's militarizes.

[TaeBoNinja]

People whining about the defense budget being too big are no different than the Baltimore fools who protested against police and now are stunned nobody is there to protect them from the human filth.

Yes, because protesting the murder of someone should lead tot he police acting like children and not doing their jobs.

[ScubaStevo]

Don't need to cut it to zero. Just need to stop giving money to foreign countries, and stop subsidizing everyone else's militarizes.

Again, what percentage of the federal budget goes to that.

Also, brave general, by cutting off Aid to Israel and losing our sole ally in the Middle East, how does that improve our strategic footold against those who want to take over the U.S.?

[TaeBoNinja]

Again, what percentage of the federal budget goes to that.

Also, brave general, by cutting off Aid to Israel and losing our sole ally in the Middle East, how does that improve our strategic footold against those who want to take over the U.S.?

What the hell has Israel done for us other than cause problems. How are they an ally? Us intervention is what causes Al Quada and then ISIS in the first place.

The Middle East is fill with oil money, let them pay for their own battles.

[ScubaStevo]

What the hell has Israel done for us other than cause problems. How are they an ally? Us intervention is what causes Al Quada and then ISIS in the first place.

The Middle East is fill with oil money, let them pay for their own battles.

Cliffs

[TaeBoNinja]

Cliffs

-Your thread backfired on you

[tnel00]

1) 13% goes to safety net programs. The military budget is well over 20%, and mostly serves the goals of foreign nations.]

Incorrect

Over 50% of the budget is for Welfare, SS, or Medicare/Medicaid which are all forms of welfare assistance, not just income supplementation programs which are about 10% alone.

In terms of the Defense budget, an extremely small % is spent on aiding foreign nations. The vast majority of it over the last 10 years has been on R&D and procurement.

[bbsitum]

As someone who works around government housing a lot I can say most individuals in government housing have big screen tv's in every room of the house, have the newest iphone, drive either a decent vehicle with bigazz rims or a newish vehicle, use cash to buy cigs, beer, etc. and uses food stamps to buy quality foods (hundreds of dollars worth of food). Not uncommon to see people who are unemployed have 4-6 children (And getting government checks for all because baby daddy is in prison, unknown, or is unemployed) etc. Most of these people are just leaches who offer nothing of value to society, their crotch fruit is our next prison population (because they spend 0 time raising them), etc. One could argue they 'stimulate the economy' by spending those government dollars at small businesses, etc. but meh.



Most of these people aren't out applying for jobs and their plan for the future doesn't stretch much further then what club they're going to next weekend.


Welfare/foodstamps would be great for mentally ill/physically handicapped people who can't earn a living. A family where the primary breadwinner loses his job and needs a temporary boost until they find new employment, etc. But the sad fact is a lot of recipients have no ambition to further their life.


Again, I deal with these people on a near daily basis so I've a pretty good idea of what your typical welfare recipient is like.


Capitalism/ the hard working mofos who want to succeed/have nice things are 100% whats keeping this country afloat.

When I come to USA it was idea in Bill Clinton time that only should be 5 years of welfare for anyone that is not missing legs and similar. I agree with it. I loved it 5 years and go kill yourself.

[bbsitum]

What the hell has Israel done for us other than cause problems. How are they an ally? Us intervention is what causes Al Quada and then ISIS in the first place.

The Middle East is fill with oil money, let them pay for their own battles.

Israel is protector of Christianity holiest places. It is why is Israel build at first place.

[tnel00]

So wait......you think those who paid into Soc. Sec are getting handouts? and that Veteran/Retiree benefits are handouts? Because you asked this question..."Do they realize how fortunate they are, and how that every handout that they receive has to be funded by hard work?"

Do you even understand the numbers you post?

If you don't think that Social Security is a form of welfare than you're completely ignorant of the program.

Based on that graph, 61% of the budget is for welfare programs.

[21infantry]

Scuba, speaking truth again. Libs come in saying Welfare recipients are productive citizens. When its the opposite way around.

[TaeBoNinja]

If you don't think that Social Security is a form of welfare than you're completely ignorant of the program.

Based on that graph, 61% of the budget is for welfare programs.

Reread the post you quoted. I'm question OP's thread premise and the notion that those on Soc. Sec or getting Vet/Retire benefits are taking handouts and not giving back to society. The segment OP's referring to it around 13% o the budget.

[TaeBoNinja]

Incorrect

Over 50% of the budget is for Welfare, SS, or Medicare/Medicaid which are all forms of welfare assistance, not just income supplementation programs which are about 10% alone.

In terms of the Defense budget, an extremely small % is spent on aiding foreign nations. The vast majority of it over the last 10 years has been on R&D and procurement.

When you label every non-defense program as "welfare", then it may seem that way, lol. By these definitions, how is Defesne not included in welfare? It's nothing but handouts for foreign nations. We spent over a trillion in Iraq. They didn't pay for it, WE did. We give handout to other countries, and subsidize their militaries.

Point blank, anyone who makes the argument that Soc. Sec is welfare, but think defense is separate is delusional.

[trailwarrior]

NINE MYTHS THE RIGHT LOVES TO BELIEVE ABOUT WELFARE
http://www.ifyouonlynews.com/politic...-about-welfare

Myth #1: �People on welfare are lazy and sit at home collecting it while the rest of us work to support them.�

Myth #2: �People who go on welfare stay on it forever.�

Myth #3: �There�s a woman in Chicago. She has 80 names, 30 addresses, 12 Social Security cards. � She�s got Medicaid, getting food stamps and she is collecting welfare under each of her names. Her tax-free cash income alone is over $150,000″ � Ronald Reagan

Myth #4: �Welfare recipients keep having more kids so they can get more benefits.�

Myth #5: �Where Is The U.S. Headed If More Than 100 Million People Get Welfare?� � Headline of August 2012 column by CNN�s Jack Cafferty

Myth #6: �I see these guys all the time, hanging out and drinking, and doing drugs, collecting welfare instead of working.�

Myth #7: �Most welfare recipients are drug users.�

Myth #8: �Most welfare recipients are minorities and illegal immigrants.�

Myth #9: �People collect welfare instead of work, and they get rich. They all have iPhones, drive new cars, have widescreen tv�s, etc. I work and I can�t afford any of that!�

[BieberFeverBrah]

I guess no one ITT ever took an economics class. What do welfare recipients give back? Their money. Every penny they get goes back into the economy. Our economy is driven by consumer spending, fyi. When people spend, jobs are created, which creates more consumer spending, which creates more jobs, which creates more consumer spending.

This is basic stuff.

Myth busting time: The rich are not "job creators." The people who go to target every saturday and spend their entire paycheck are. I chit you not fellas.

I don't mean to break your hearts, but the poor and middle class drive the economy, not the rich. Do you know why? Poor and middle class spend everything they have. The rich? They save, and invest, which is good for them, not so much for a system that lives or dies by consumer spending. Especially considering that investment nowadays is increasingly going overseas--the wealthy investment class is literally sucking wealth out of our country and putting it in other economies.

But lol guys, don't worry about any of this. Just keep voting for "free market" fanatics and I am sure it will all work out eventually.

[sotrktiv]

Populate countries for war.

Actually, some of the worlds heroes have come from poor parents, so maybe check your privilege.

[ScubaStevo]

If you don't think that Social Security is a form of welfare than you're completely ignorant of the program.

Based on that graph, 61% of the budget is for welfare programs.

When presented with facts, he posts facts that prove he is wrong to support his case.

LMFAO

[ScubaStevo]

I guess no one ITT ever took an economics class. What do welfare recipients give back? Their money. Every penny they get goes back into the economy. Our economy is driven by consumer spending, fyi. When people spend, jobs are created, which creates more consumer spending, which creates more jobs, which creates more consumer spending.

This is basic stuff.

Myth busting time: The rich are not "job creators." The people who go to target every saturday and spend their entire paycheck are. I chit you not fellas.

I don't mean to break your hearts, but the poor and middle class drive the economy, not the rich. Do you know why? Poor and middle class spend everything they have. The rich? They save, and invest, which is good for them, not so much for a system that lives or dies by consumer spending. Especially considering that investment nowadays is increasingly going overseas--the wealthy investment class is literally sucking wealth out of our country and putting it in other economies.

But lol guys, don't worry about any of this. Just keep voting for "free market" fanatics and I am sure it will all work out eventually.

I think you're right. What we need is a full-blown communistic style government. If everyone has just enough to survive, they'll spend every penny, right?? Think of all the economic prosperity!

[SDC77]

I want an easier life, period. Now, for me, that means keeping the fruits of my labor and as Scuba explained, investing that money in a modest-high return system instead of a guaranteed poverty check via SS. The problem is that there are plenty of people who view welfare as an "easier life", when it's anything but. Granted, you can sit on your ass and collect a check, but it hardly enhances quality of life. Something has to be done , and I'm not talking about eliminating welfare, but reforming it to crack down on fraud and making sure those truly in need get a temporary helping hand (or permanent help if seriously disabled).

[Stizzel]

I guess no one ITT ever took an economics class. What do welfare recipients give back? Their money. Every penny they get goes back into the economy. Our economy is driven by consumer spending, fyi. When people spend, jobs are created, which creates more consumer spending, which creates more jobs, which creates more consumer spending.

This is basic stuff.

Myth busting time: The rich are not "job creators." The people who go to target every saturday and spend their entire paycheck are. I chit you not fellas.

I don't mean to break your hearts, but the poor and middle class drive the economy, not the rich. Do you know why? Poor and middle class spend everything they have. The rich? They save, and invest, which is good for them, not so much for a system that lives or dies by consumer spending. Especially considering that investment nowadays is increasingly going overseas--the wealthy investment class is literally sucking wealth out of our country and putting it in other economies.

But lol guys, don't worry about any of this. Just keep voting for "free market" fanatics and I am sure it will all work out eventually.

So it's okay to take money from productive use and transfer it to a non productive use - after giving half of it to bureaucrats in the process - because: economics.

I dont think you thought this through very well.