Phospha Muscle better than Creatine? Gain 5.3 lbs. pure muscle 60% increase in muscle

[alvin1]

Plus the others ingredient in King, Niagen seem to be expensive also, so make you wonder how they can sell it so cheap

[TMac26]

Niagen is very pricey from what I understand.


They could be taking a close loss on the product. I thought in order to use the trademarked Mediator, one must use the clinical dosing.

[eatyourspinach]

From what I've gathered Niagen increased "NAD+" which has potential future benefits for treating age related ailments but is there anything that really shows supplementing with it is actually beneficial?

[alvin1]

Niagen is very pricey from what I understand.


They could be taking a close loss on the product. I thought in order to use the trademarked Mediator, one must use the clinical dosing.

I did not know they could or would take a slight loss, I think they swicht from Mediator to Activator?

[TMac26]

I did not know they could or would take a slight loss, I think they swicht from Mediator to Activator?

You are correct, it now is Activator.

[SwolenONE]

I like the emphasis MT has had on single ingredient products w human data supporting them.

[JohnBraithwaite]

I like the emphasis MT has had on single ingredient products w human data supporting them.

at one time MT & EAS were top dogs, funny how MT survived whilst EAS kind of fell off

[emergency]

at one time MT & EAS were top dogs, funny how MT survived whilst EAS kind of fell off

MT still is a top dog as long as they continue with R&D and supps backed by studies surely will be around for a long time.

[changemyoil66]

MT still is a top dog as long as they continue with R&D and supps backed by studies surely will be around for a long time.

Also because EAS hasn't made anything new in years.

[Ninjathoskinny]

Studies show people will believe ANYTHING if you claim your service/product is backed by science. lol

Every 'dog' in the industry knows people think research is sacrosanct and people are oblivious to aspects like manipulation of variables sans disclosure, palter, to achieve propitious endpoint(s).

If it's seems too good to be true - then it probably is!

[kissdadookie]

Studies show people will believe ANYTHING if you claim your service/product is backed by science. lol

Every 'dog' in the industry knows people think research is sacrosanct and people are oblivious to aspects like manipulation of variables sans disclosure, palter, to achieve propitious endpoint(s).

If it's seems too good to be true - then it probably is!

Have you even looked at the phosphatidic acid study? The results were certainly not too good to be true. The 60% increase in muscle compared to placebo wasn't actually outrageous when you look at the lbs of lbm gained. The placebo group basically didn't make a lot of progress more or less in the study whilst the PA group gained, but the gains weren't crazy gains, they were just 60% better than the poor results of the placebo group.

If you look at the actual lbs gained, not very impressive (but for natty and trained users, they were ok gains), but when you use the % comparison with the placebo group, the % number reads impressively.

[JohnBraithwaite]

MT still is a top dog as long as they continue with R&D and supps backed by studies surely will be around for a long time.

Surely is one of those long term relationship commitment kind of gals

[NewAgeMayan]

What difference do you notice between the two?

I remember youve said your previous experience with PA has been underwhelming. For what its worth, I wouldnt write the ingredient off until youve tried one of the current Mediator products (Phosphamuscle would be best bet I reckon). I dont know how you feel about increasing dosage above label recommendations, but Id also recommend experimenting (at least for a couple of days) with 1000mg+ /day doses.

[kissdadookie]

I remember youve said your previous experience with PA has been underwhelming. For what its worth, I wouldnt write the ingredient off until youve tried one of the current Mediator products (Phosphamuscle would be best bet I reckon). I dont know how you feel about increasing dosage above label recommendations, but Id also recommend experimenting (at least for a couple of days) with 1000mg+ /day doses.

Baller doses. LoL. I've kept it at 750mg PA with using Mediator :P

[NewAgeMayan]

Baller doses. LoL. I've kept it at 750mg PA with using Mediator :P

Ive run two bottles of KingV1 previously, but I wont come to any personal conclusions regarding 'effective' Mediator dosage until I get my stash of Phospha and run that for awhile.

[kissdadookie]

Ive run two bottles of KingV1 previously, but I wont come to any personal conclusions regarding 'effective' Mediator dosage until I get my stash of Phospha and run that for awhile.

I see I see.

[ultramario17]

does this PA bloat you? you know how creatine sometimes can give you a bloat. will you lose your six pack

[emergency]

does this PA bloat you? you know how creatine sometimes can give you a bloat. will you lose your six pack

zero bloat with MT Phospha Muscle or issues with losing your six pack

[NewAgeMayan]

zero bloat with MT Phospha Muscle or issues with losing your six pack

Cheeky question, but do you reckon we'll see any b2g1 deals on Phosphamuscle? I remember not long after CMuscle came out BRev was poo-pooing the idea due to costs, but now look at the deals we've seen with that one...guess its possible then?

[ultramario17]

why even come out with a PA product if clear muscle was supposed to be top of the line, none better? they are selling it for 60 dollars.. for 28 days....

kings was 30 something and had another ingredient, and it was working for people

[JohnBraithwaite]

why even come out with a PA product if clear muscle was supposed to be top of the line, none better?

I don't understand the question

[llahhsoj]

why even come out with a PA product if clear muscle was supposed to be top of the line, none better? they are selling it for 60 dollars.. for 28 days....

kings was 30 something and had another ingredient, and it was working for people

Both ClearMuscle and PhosphaMuscle do different things.

[emergency]

Cheeky question, but do you reckon we'll see any b2g1 deals on Phosphamuscle? I remember not long after CMuscle came out BRev was poo-pooing the idea due to costs, but now look at the deals we've seen with that one...guess its possible then?

anything is possible, there have been a few 20% off deals on it. No bogo type deals as of yet but tomorrow is new deal day so anything is possible.

[Danes]

Interested in some comparisons as well. I'd like to hear from some people who have ran Phospha Muscle, King, and SL.

Been running PA since april 2014. From SL,KING v1,Micro PA and have used Phosphamuscle. 750mg PA is 750mg PA.no matter which product it comes from.
Is 750mg PA better than creatine? I really dont know . I am running 4g PA daily and I really love it. I am bigger,stronger, much More musclefullness, increased Appetite.
For me 4g PA is better than even 20g creatine (creatine supplementation never worked for me as it does for other.)and I need to admit for me PA is one of the best products for size and strength gains

[JohnBraithwaite]

Been running PA since april 2014. From SL,KING v1,Micro PA and have used Phosphamuscle. 750mg PA is 750mg PA.no matter which product it comes from.
Is 750mg PA better than creatine? I really dont know . I am running 4g PA daily and I really love it. I am bigger,stronger, much More musclefullness, increased Appetite.
For me 4g PA is better than even 20g creatine (creatine supplementation never worked for me as it does for other.)and I need to admit for me PA is one of the best products for size and strength gains

5g creatine as effective as 20g no

[llahhsoj]

I need to admit for me PA is one of the best products for size and strength gains

I think PA is possibly the best "natty" supplement for size and strength. It goes awesome with HMB FA as well.

[Danes]

5g creatine as effective as 20g no

Remember, 10 years ago, it was not that info like now

[Danes]

I think PA is possibly the best "natty" supplement for size and strength. It goes awesome with HMB FA as well.

For me, it is actually

[Vitalero]

I think PA is possibly the best "natty" supplement for size and strength. It goes awesome with HMB FA as well.

Clear Muscle is the only product on bb.com store with HMB FA?

[llahhsoj]

Clear Muscle is the only product on bb.com store with HMB FA?

Correct. That form is exclusive to us.