Went out with a DOCTOR, who got mad I didn't pay for the first date (srs)(psychology)

[LordBroski]

Jimmies rustled beyond belief. She easily makes 6 figures, lives in a nice apartment right by the hospital, and has a super wealthy family.

I live in the suburbs (drove to her for the first date since she's close to downtown where there's more to do), am staying at home for the summer, soon to be balls deep in debt from law school tuition, etc.

Flat out told her that unless she's willing to come over, make me a sandwich, clean my place, and essentially be my bitch, I don't have to pay for everything, nor plan everything, and that it should be 50/50.

That set her off and she said that "it's very clear you're not the kind of man who knows how to take care of a woman or understands basic dating etiquette".

I asked her what she had to offer in return for me doing all the planning/paying, and she said, "my company". No joke. She said, with a straight face, her job is to sit there and look pretty.

At least prostitutes are honest about the exchange of $$$ for sex, which is far more respectable than women who expect the same $$$, without having to engage in sex, under the socially acceptable guise of "dating".

Needless to say, I told her to fuk right off.



Psychoanalysis of the Modern 'Feminist' Woman - Dr. Lord "CEO 10k/day" Broski, MD, BBSee, MISC

Women still expect men to live up to certain male gender roles and expectations. The man has to approach women, make plans for dates, pay for dates, etc., because "that's just what men are supposed to do." This seems to be in direct contrast to the feminist movement's message of gender equality - how can a woman expect to be treated as an equal, but at the same time, hold men to a different standard? The answer is actually fairly obvious...

With the rapid changes brought on by the modern day feminist movement, the messages girls have been receiving have changed dramatically even over the past 10 years alone. They went from playing with dolls, being taught how to cook, and had housewives as mothers, but were then bombarded with "you go girl", "girl power", and we now expected to be women who are able to pull their own weight. This has created a destabilized sense of identity amongst women - who are they? What do they stand for? What should they do? So, naturally, in this state of confusion, and in the name of survival, we turn to our basis instincts and act in whatever is in our self-interests; rationality, fairness, and equality be damned. Hence, their ability to hold such a hypocritical set of standards.

This is further complicated by the "abundance mentality" in dating, accelerated by advancements in communication and technology. If a woman cannot find a man to cater to her needs as per above, another man is a simple swipe/like/click away. With hundreds-of-thousands of single men available at her fingertips, why should she "settle"? There is no incentive for her to do so. In economics, we value what we have due to scarcity, but in modern-day dating, that notion of scarcity goes out the window, so men and women both place little value on each other..

The reality is, feminism has made some great advancements, but at the same time, has made women feel insecure about their femininity. Women who are accomplished by feminist standards will often proclaim that "men are intimidated by their success", and while it may be true that men who believe in traditional gender roles would be thrown off by such women, the reality is the woman is also insecure in her own identity. She needs you to "be a man", even if it's completely hypocritical of her to do so, so she can "feel like a woman". It's ironic that the movement that sought to empower women, has resulted in them being as insecure and fragile as ever.

[shortythree]

Always pay on the first date m8. However she sounds like an entitled bitch

[rhadam]

do u really think anyone is going to read that wall of text you fuking crybaby *******?

[AmTheGuitar101]

Dr.Kunt I presume?

[nucleargnome]

lol @ wiminz

I'd be rustled beyond belief if that ho was banking 6 figures and doesnt want to pay for chit either.

Give her a call, i bet she will let you put it in her angus because no one has ever done that before and now shes moist like thailand.

[DiamondSwagg]

[Shepherd1125]

u sound like a douche, but she also sounds like a entitle feminist, break it off already.

[FriendOfFrank]

She has expectations. You have expectations. They don't match up. No need to be rustled. Just move on.

[PushPull21]

Usually pay on the first date crew, but usually have a plan setup to limit spending:


Always meet a bar for a drink first within walking distance to other places. Have one or two drinks, judge interest levels, possibility of smashing, etc... If I am feeling it I will bring up the idea to go to a different place to eat, continue drinking, etc... If no thanks jeff I bounce out after 1-2 drinks.


LOL at her and her expectations though.

[bee su]

i actual read all of that. even the bottom part. heres my expert advice since i too am a doctor. apologize and redo the date. this time go to a fancy place where she would be thrill to go too. the kicker is this time you skidaddle on home after eating pretending to go to the bathroom.

advice is free of charge.

[FeFocus]

I pay on the first date for sex under the guise of food. Apparently the government gets into a hissy fit when you pay straight up for sex.

[LordBroski]

Always pay on the first date m8. However she sounds like an entitled bitch

u sound like a douche, but she also sounds like a entitle feminist, break it off already.

She has expectations. You have expectations. They don't match up. No need to be rustled. Just move on.

Are you guys seriously defending this bitch? wtf

In NO way is holding the view that men should do "x, y, z" justified. Misc full of blue pill beta chumps these days.

[Tornach]

Usually pay on the first date crew, but usually have a plan setup to limit spending:


Always meet a bar for a drink first within walking distance to other places. Have one or two drinks, judge interest levels, possibility of smashing, etc... If I am feeling it I will bring up the idea to go to a different place to eat, continue drinking, etc... If no thanks jeff I bounce out after 1-2 drinks.


LOL at her and her expectations though.

taking notes...

[dbluevette]

congrats op you found a woman that wasnt a feminist and blew it.

[jbeau06]

OP, she is definitely NOT a feminist if she expects you to pay for everything. I am a man and consider myself a feminist, and all of my female friends do too, but we ascribe to true feminism which is the expectation of equality of the sexes regardless of what is between their legs.

So for example, a man shouldn't be expected to pay for dinner on a date nor should a woman expect doors to be held for her, etc. It's basically treat everyone the same regardless of sex.

In your situation, I think it depends on who asked who out. If she asked you on a date, she should pay; if you asked her, you should pay. It doesn't really matter who makes more money. Once you start seriously seeing someone or there are multiple dates than one can pay for dinner one time and the other person the next. While I'm gay, when I was single and dating it was always the guy who asked the other guy out on a date that paid. It worked out well and didn't result in any hurt feelings or anything.

[bee su]

OP, she is definitely NOT a feminist if she expects you to pay for everything. I am a man and consider myself a feminist, and all of my female friends do too, but we ascribe to true feminism which is the expectation of equality of the sexes regardless of what is between their legs.

So for example, a man shouldn't be expected to pay for dinner on a date nor should a woman expect doors to be held for her, etc. It's basically treat everyone the same regardless of sex.

In your situation, I think it depends on who asked who out. If she asked you on a date, she should pay; if you asked her, you should pay. It doesn't really matter who makes more money. Once you start seriously seeing someone or there are multiple dates than one can pay for dinner one time and the other person the next. While I'm gay, when I was single and dating it was always the guy who asked the other guy out on a date that paid. It worked out well and didn't result in any hurt feelings or anything.

strong second post. i thought for a second that you made a new account to post this stupid post.

[DdotT]

Damn imagine if she wasn't a bish. Marriage material.

[jwarrenfit]

Pretty weak sauce pay the first date be a man. That's just the way it is in our society deal with it we still got the better deal compared to women

I'd say this won't be the only time this happens.

[Galindo62]

I pay for dates but I don't treat her as an equal.

I also rough her up during sex and she enjoys it. She submits to me and on ocassion will take me out and spend money on me.

[YouAreWrongMane]

Are you guys seriously defending this bitch? wtf

In NO way is holding the view that men should do "x, y, z" justified. Misc full of blue pill beta chumps these days.

DIdnt you bang a tranny and also get ur anus fingered. Who are you to call anyone a chump

[LordBroski]

Pretty weak sauce pay the first date be a man. That's just the way it is in our society deal with it we still got the better deal compared to women

I'd say this won't be the only time this happens.

Negged for perpetuating this "be a man" nonsense. Guys like you are the problem. Da fuk mane? You turning your back on your fellow man for the sake of getting some puss?

[jwarrenfit]

ummmm yeah?

Seriously if you expect poon, you pay. It is what it is. make her make it up to you by doing something degrading in bed

[ChaoticReignPbt]

Always pay for the first date, but I expect her to at least offer to help.

[Brosnbroccoli]

"
Flat out told her that unless she's willing to come over, make me a sandwich, clean my place, and essentially be my bitch, I don't have to pay for everything, nor plan everything, and that it should be 50/50."

If you actually said this to her, you need to threat people with respect.

You're expectations of one another did not align, and that's fine, just move on. Are you really surprised she got upset? Lmao, she should have poured whatever she was drinking all over you, and just walked away. Srs.

Was she wrong in expecting you to pay for everything? Maybe...
Was it wrong of her, to get mad when you said you were not going to pay everything? Yes, definitely.

That's when you calmy tell her that you're done, thanks for nice evening, but I don't think we should see each other again. Then you pay for your half, and walk out.

TLDR - She was rude, but you handled it like a *******.

[Jms89]

Are you sure she was a feminist tho? I would look at a first date with a hot doc as an investment bro...$50 for a meal? Thats nothing...should have payed, she would have gotten all juicy, then you could have taken her back to the crib, did the grown up, got her knocked up, and you would have had a first class ticket to stay at home dadville. You dun goofed brah

[peasandlove]

Well at least she's not feminist

[JDizleSwoleizle]

Just suck it up, marry her, and then spend that Dr. money bruh.

[izzyman321]

Opie, this is one of the most well thought out posts I have ever read on the Misc. You have completely checkmated the exact points that I have echoed over and over again, only to be met with disgusted looks of disbelief. How anyone can read this incredibly logical point and disagree with it is beyond my comprehension. If I could rep you twice, I would.

[Dbowens]

Paying for first dates isn't a huge deal to me maybe because it's something ive always done.. After that I expect her to at least offer or pay for 60/40 i figure my negative returns on that investment is offset by the desire for those sugar walls

[LordBroski]

Are you sure she was a feminist tho? I would look at a first date with a hot doc as an investment bro...$50 for a meal? Thats nothing...should have payed, she would have gotten all juicy, then you could have taken her back to the crib, did the grown up, got her knocked up, and you would have had a first class ticket to stay at home dadville. You dun goofed brah

You guys are acting as if paying = guaranteed sex. It's not. How many women use first dates as a way to get free food? Plenty. Besides, you don't even need to go on dates to have sex. Hook-ups are much easier to come by. I only go on dates if I'm on dat dere GF time, where pussy isn't necessarily the ultimate goal.

If you actually date girls just to get laid, when she's putting out for free for Chad on Tinder, you're doing it wrong.