Obama to ban police military gear that can 'alienate and intimidate'

[guest89]

The federal government isn't going to be able to regulate what gear individual police departments are using. Anyone who thinks anything is going to change is delusional. At the most the Feds will stop giving individual police departments free military gear. But this is HIGHLY unlike as places that are deemed high risk for terrorist attacks have been getting good sh!t since 9/11. Nobody has known about it. (Know some guys who are on a SWAT team where several large oil reserves are. They get tons of funding/toys from the feds).


Simply put, better equipment is needed to deal with the increasing threat. We've got guys running around with body armor and AR's and Ak's now shooting up schools and places of business. We will NEVER return to an age where officer friendly rolls up wearing his milk cap with his revolver on his side to deal with that.




Sorry Obama but the streets of America are a literal warzone. They are far worse now then they ever were during the "Wild west" that America is so famous far. And they have been for decades. Police have been using military tech since the 20s (that I'm aware of). Its only become thrust into the public eye due to the recent riots and media coverage. We've went from the BAR and Tommy gun to full body armor, APC's, and AR15s/Mp5's. At the very most sh!t will be kept hush hush until a major incident happens then the big guns will come out again.




The ONLY way any of this could happen is if the federal government takes massive gun/body armor control steps and passes a chit ton of legislation which regulates civilians far more then how police departments would be regulated. And that isn't gonna happen because nobody wants more feds in their lives.

[TricepBrah93]

In.

[Blacryan]

I agree with this partially. There are times and place when military style gear definitely is needed by police. They should have it, but shouldn't be able to bring it out for these god damn no knock raids they do.

Ferguson? Baltimore? Yeah... give them mrap's and other ****, LRAD and all that good stuff.

[B.L.A.C.K]

American police looking like COD 4 load out screen

[cheachea]

Back in the day we had Police Officers that looked like this :





and







*Now in 2015 we have police that look like this :

[Dave P]

You realize that there was probably a meeting with the military where they informed him that certain types of weaponry is inefficient and different types should be used, then it was used as a positive PR stunt even though it was going to happen anyway.

This way he gets the funding for the retrofits AND gets to appeal to his liberal base.

[takingover22]

You realize that there was probably a meeting with the military where they informed him that certain types of weaponry is inefficient and different types should be used, then it was used as a positive PR stunt even though it was going to happen anyway.

This way he gets the funding for the retrofits AND gets to appeal to his liberal base.

[guest89]

While there are some places where the police need this gear, the commando cop thing needs to stop. The militarization of police really bothers me.

Back in the day, the John Dillinger gangster days, where they wore suits, they were all 100X harder than any of these punks today, yet cops carried 38's and still handled them.

Your talking about the same cops that would beat the fxck out of someone and leave them in a ditch on a regular basis? The same guys who's pull out tommy guns and BARs (WWII weapons) and just riddle a car full of rounds and kill all of the occupants? The same cops who regularly burned down establishments to deal with the occupants inside? The guys who'd pistol whip someone for looking at them sideways then just walk away?





LE are far more tame/legal now then they've EVER been. Anyone who thinks the good ole boys in suits carrying a .38 were the end all be all of LE you've got to be joking. There was little regulation of LE at that time and nothing to prevent corruption or brutality. Police are FAR more professional now then ever. Again, increased threat= increased LE armament.


Maybe if civilians didn't have body armor and AK's and weren't going shoot up schools, movie theaters, etc. then police wouldn't have all the tools that they do. Simple fact of the matter are civilians are armed more then ever and have the potential to do more damage then ever. And police have to be able to handle those threats.



I'm not arguing for gun control and the disarming of civilians (keep your AR's and AK's). But on the same token quit whining about "Police militarization."

[holtmcg]

Back in the day we had Police Officers that looked like this :





and







*Now in 2015 we have police that look like this :

And there are people who actually WANT the police to have MORE of this equipment. Unbelievable...

[dhawkeye1980]

Irrelevant. Militarization of the police force can only end one way. Badly.

Fukkin lolz, yea youre right its completely irrelivant to have any knowledge about what you are talking about....bravo

[holtmcg]

Fukkin lolz, yea youre right its completely irrelivant to have any knowledge about what you are talking about....bravo

Nice deflection. Next time you try to have a debate, at least pull your head out of your ass.

[fakhter]

How many hours/days/months/years do you have patroling the streets? Oh none, yea you probably know whats best then...

Shut up you pig. You're a servant you don't get to dictate how and with what you serve. If you don't like it get a new job.

[dhawkeye1980]

Your talking about the same cops that would beat the fxck out of someone and leave them in a ditch on a regular basis? The same guys who's pull out tommy guns and BARs (WWII weapons) and just riddle a car full of rounds and kill all of the occupants? The same cops who regularly burned down establishments to deal with the occupants inside? The guys who'd pistol whip someone for looking at them sideways then just walk away?





LE are far more tame/legal now then they've EVER been. Anyone who thinks the good ole boys in suits carrying a .38 were the end all be all of LE you've got to be joking. There was little regulation of LE at that time and nothing to prevent corruption or brutality. Police are FAR more professional now then ever. Again, increased threat= increased LE armament.


Maybe if civilians didn't have body armor and AK's and weren't going shoot up schools, movie theaters, etc. then police wouldn't have all the tools that they do. Simple fact of the matter are civilians are armed more then ever and have the potential to do more damage then ever. And police have to be able to handle those threats.



I'm not arguing for gun control and the disarming of civilians (keep your AR's and AK's). But on the same token quit whining about "Police militarization."

Out of reps brah otherwise id bit you with some

[icomesb4u]

Fukkin lolz, yea youre right its completely irrelivant to have any knowledge about what you are talking about....bravo

if america becomes like this just know it's gonna be because puccy bitches like you allowed it to

[SadisticAndNice]

So wait police had the ability to use a grenade launcher? Are we talking swat or something?

[dhawkeye1980]

Nice deflection. Next time you try to have a debate, at least pull your head out of your ass.

You arent having a debate, you have a mystical ball that forsees the future. Also FYI its not militarization of the police its having proper equipment to combat the chit storm people use against them.... But you are right the next time their is an active shooter somewhere cops can just stand down and wait for the military to arrive, because heavens forbid they wear exterior vests with ballistic plates and ballistic helmets and resemble the milirltary....

[takingover22]

Your talking about the same cops that would beat the fxck out of someone and leave them in a ditch on a regular basis? The same guys who's pull out tommy guns and BARs (WWII weapons) and just riddle a car full of rounds and kill all of the occupants? The same cops who regularly burned down establishments to deal with the occupants inside? The guys who'd pistol whip someone for looking at them sideways then just walk away?





LE are far more tame/legal now then they've EVER been. Anyone who thinks the good ole boys in suits carrying a .38 were the end all be all of LE you've got to be joking. There was little regulation of LE at that time and nothing to prevent corruption or brutality. Police are FAR more professional now then ever. Again, increased threat= increased LE armament.


Maybe if civilians didn't have body armor and AK's and weren't going shoot up schools, movie theaters, etc. then police wouldn't have all the tools that they do. Simple fact of the matter are civilians are armed more then ever and have the potential to do more damage then ever. And police have to be able to handle those threats.



I'm not arguing for gun control and the disarming of civilians (keep your AR's and AK's). But on the same token quit whining about "Police militarization."

What a ****ing joke. How many "civilians" shoot up schools and theatres? The reason people are so on edge is because their is an antagonistic relationship with the government/cops and the people, the tension keeps rising...what's the solution, help people and deal with them reasonable like in the UK and Europe? Nah, just shoot the bastards right? They're just "civilians", it's us vs them after all!!1

[WrinklyGrandma]

So wait police had the ability to use a grenade launcher? Are we talking swat or something?

It's loaded with tear gas.

[Trickmyster18]

I am all for this. The police are getting way out of control and in many small towns here in Texas are turning into militarized shake down units. Towns of 5,000 people have military gear and write more tickets than cities 30x their size. Its just ridiculous.

[dhawkeye1980]

It may also have something to do with a lot of cops being vets and feeling entitled to that military gear.

We have a national guard for a reason. If **** is so heavy that not even swat can handle it, you have the military.

Crossing the line between military & policing should not be done. LEOs should focus on their job. If they want to go tactical, go join a special unit.

And the #1 thing people always leave out when it comes to this sort of debate, or anything controversial, is the room for abuse and setting precedents. People forget that once something becomes the norm, they lose a sense of perspective and will think they are entitled to more, and more. It happens in the military, in politics, in every day ****ing life.

You realize the pics they are showing are specialized units right? Where do you guys come up with this chit lmfao

[dhawkeye1980]

I am all for this. The police are getting way out of control and in many small towns here in Texas are turning into militarized shake down units. Towns of 5,000 people have military gear and write more tickets than cities 30x their size. Its just ridiculous.

Can you please provide an example of the police out of control?

[dhawkeye1980]

What a ****ing joke. How many "civilians" shoot up schools and theatres? The reason people are so on edge is because their is an antagonistic relationship with the government/cops and the people, the tension keeps rising...what's the solution, help people and deal with them reasonable like in the UK and Europe? Nah, just shoot the bastards right? They're just "civilians", it's us vs them after all!!1

Uh... You cant really be this dumb right?

[fakhter]

You realize the pics they are showing are specialized units right? Where do you guys come up with this chit lmfao

No chit sherlock it's a specialized unit. The same unit that does a no knock raid at 4am with a tank and 3 snipers in camo ready to blow your brains out all because they suspect you of distributing weed.

[kkevinn6]

I am all for this. The police are getting way out of control and in many small towns here in Texas are turning into militarized shake down units. Towns of 5,000 people have military gear and write more tickets than cities 30x their size. Its just ridiculous.

Location: Miami, Florida

[TricepBrah93]

Can you please provide an example of the police out of control?

You're persistent, aren't you piggy?

[holtmcg]

It may also have something to do with a lot of cops being vets and feeling entitled to that military gear.

We have a national guard for a reason. If **** is so heavy that not even swat can handle it, you have the military.

Crossing the line between military & policing should not be done. LEOs should focus on their job. If they want to go tactical, go join a special unit.

And the #1 thing people always leave out when it comes to this sort of debate, or anything controversial, is the room for abuse and setting precedents. People forget that once something becomes the norm, they lose a sense of perspective and will think they are entitled to more, and more. It happens in the military, in politics, in every day ****ing life.

I can understand SWAT having access to this equipment, but patrol officers rolling around with M4s is beyond my comprehension. They think they're entitled to this weaponry and it's (as a civilian) terrifying to think that they'll get it.

[icomesb4u]

Can you please provide an example of the police out of control?

damn dude if you love cops so much just have your boyfriend dress up as one and let him cuff u before he fuks u in the rectum, no need to go on and on about it.

[dhawkeye1980]

You are correct in that it creates a culture of elevation between police & civilians.

There is nothing wrong with police having appropriate gear. They don't need M203s, or any heavy assault options. If they need to resort to that, the national guard should be used, we have it for a reason.



Who said I am referencing the pictures? Please don't put words in my mouth.

You know how long it takes to deploy the national guard right? Not to mention you want to count on people who train 1 weekend a month and none of that involving any kind of active shooter, barricade suspects or other police related activity, the lolz in this thread are fukkin epic

[dhawkeye1980]

You're persistent, aren't you piggy?

damn dude if you love cops so much just have your boyfriend dress up as one and let him cuff u before he fuks u in the rectum, no need to go on and on about it.

Classic sign of getting owned, cant come up with **** to say so just start throwing insults, ah the lulz,
Its all right brahs i will leave you to your cop bashing as it clearly gives you a thrill, have at it

[Dschreiver]

Lol liberals these days. Ok next time there's a mass shooting or some kind of terrorist threat and we need a quick response we'll just send some cops armed with 9mm foh