The Official Natty Thread - No Gear Talk - Moderated

[LaughingStorm]

Everyone have a good xmas and new year? Been sick with an ear infection for best part of 2 weeks now farewell gains.

A friend had the same thing + pneumonia. Condolences.

Everything is much better now that the holidays are over.

Also, we are deep into dark beer season.

[Luc1fer]

Everyone have a good xmas and new year? Been sick with an ear infection for best part of 2 weeks now farewell gains.

RIP gains...






















... but who was muscle nuclei

[LaughingStorm]

... but who was muscle nuclei

Still theoretical when it comes to muscle memory, I believe. Just like theories that muscle memory mostly has to do with the CNS.

[Gxp23]

A friend had the same thing + pneumonia. Condolences.

Everything is much better now that the holidays are over.

Also, we are deep into dark beer season.

I did have a nice Chimay Blue the other night.

RIP gains...






















... but who was muscle nuclei

Yea, I will be back in action as soon as this passes.

[TrotonKat]

Can someone answer these two questions?? Sorry I love doing everyone head in and I promise I'm not a troll but I want to know why????? Not getting good enough answer.

Why do people say when trying lose weight and if you have not lost weight, *gaining muscle?? They talk like you build kilo muscle a week. I was under impression that not that easy to build muscle plus new growth on 2 pounds a month or something????

Why can you not work your muscles everyday? If you are not straining them or you are careful not to get injury why can you not work them daily?? Why people say muscles will not grow?? What does muscle say you work me daily I refuse to grow?? For example if you go from sitting down job to very physical job your muscles go from no work to work daily and for 7 hours, people still grow muscle. Makes no sense, if you are careful

[KRANE]

Can someone answer these two questions?? Sorry I love doing everyone head in and I promise I'm not a troll but I want to know why????? Not getting good enough answer.

Why do people say when trying lose weight and if you have not lost weight, *gaining muscle?? They talk like you build kilo muscle a week. I was under impression that not that easy to build muscle plus new growth on 2 pounds a month or something????

Despite all indications to the contrary. Your impression is correct.

Why can you not work your muscles everyday? If you are not straining them or you are careful not to get injury why can you not work them daily?? Why people say muscles will not grow?? What does muscle say you work me daily I refuse to grow?? For example if you go from sitting down job to very physical job your muscles go from no work to work daily and for 7 hours, people still grow muscle. Makes no sense, if you are careful

In any event, muscles grow when they're at rest -- after training.

[TrotonKat]

Despite all indications to the contrary. Your impression is correct.In any event, muscles grow when they're at rest -- after training.

I don't know why people think that, considering I mainly post on misc due to I now have go to people for work out questions.

You still didn't answer my questions? I thought they were reasonable questions and I just wanted to know the science behind it. I had quick google but nothing concrete came up, google when I have more time

[Luc1fer]

I don't know why people think that, considering I mainly post on misc due to I now have go to people for work out questions.

You still didn't answer my questions? I thought they were reasonable questions and I just wanted to know the science behind it. I had quick google but nothing concrete came up, google when I have more time

Start by reading this: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mus...ass-gain.html/

[LaughingStorm]

I did have a nice Chimay Blue the other night.

Dem Belgians . . .

Why do people say when trying lose weight and if you have not lost weight, *gaining muscle?? They talk like you build kilo muscle a week. I was under impression that not that easy to build muscle plus new growth on 2 pounds a month or something????

Some pretty impressive muscle accumulation is possible during your noob gains period. Gets slower and more difficult after that.

Why can you not work your muscles everyday? If you are not straining them or you are careful not to get injury why can you not work them daily?? Why people say muscles will not grow?? What does muscle say you work me daily I refuse to grow?? For example if you go from sitting down job to very physical job your muscles go from no work to work daily and for 7 hours, people still grow muscle. Makes no sense, if you are careful

I know a few people who do full body workouts everyday. The ones who eat enough to accomodate it tend to have some pretty impressive gains.

Start by reading this: http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mus...ass-gain.html/

Bodyrecomposition.com, lulz.

[Luc1fer]

Bodyrecomposition.com, lulz.

What's so funny? Lyle McDonald is a legend.

[LaughingStorm]

What's so funny? Lyle McDonald is a legend.

To some. He is also a raging bipolar azzhole.

[Gxp23]

To some. He is also a raging bipolar azzhole.

Lulz, he has his moments, still very knowledgeable, especially in profanity.

[LaughingStorm]

Lulz, he has his moments, still very knowledgeable, especially in profanity.

Jamie Lewis is the same way. Really knowledgeable dude, but so hard to read through his bullchit sometimes.

[SanOs]

Natty mondayz

[TommyRO]

I don't know why people think that, considering I mainly post on misc due to I now have go to people for work out questions.

You still didn't answer my questions? I thought they were reasonable questions and I just wanted to know the science behind it. I had quick google but nothing concrete came up, google when I have more time

When your a noob with 0 lifting background you can put on a lot of muscle your first year then it get less and less. Muscle growth happens during the resting period 24-48 hours after straining and tearing the fibers apart. Sure you can work out certain groups everyday but it will have to be at a lower intensity. Some people squat everyday but don't hit 90%+ of their maxes everyday, just like 70%-80% with maybe higher volume.

[KRANE]

When your a noob with 0 lifting background you can put on a lot of muscle your first year then it get less and less. Muscle growth happens during the resting period 24-48 hours after straining and tearing the fibers apart. Sure you can work out certain groups everyday but it will have to be at a lower intensity. Some people squat everyday but don't hit 90%+ of their maxes everyday, just like 70%-80% with maybe higher volume.

Therein lies your first step: clearly state your goal.

[Datsek]

Bumped up my carbs and calories to 2400 from like 1900-2000 and I went up like 0.5kg in one week. I assume this is water, but should I increase the calories again or leave them where they are and see if I continue to climb? Despite the rise in bodyweight, my strength hasn't really increased and I feel as if I've lost definition. I was going to give it a week and if I didn't put on anymore weight I was going to increase calories by 100 until I start gaining 0.2kg a week. Anyone got any input?

[KRANE]

Bumped up my carbs and calories to 2400 from like 1900-2000 and I went up like 0.5kg in one week. I assume this is water, but should I increase the calories again or leave them where they are and see if I continue to climb? Despite the rise in bodyweight, my strength hasn't really increased and I feel as if I've lost definition. I was going to give it a week and if I didn't put on anymore weight I was going to increase calories by 100 until I start gaining 0.2kg a week. Anyone got any input?

Yes, begin by clearly stating your goal. Without that we could only generalize. Not just that you want to bulk, but you need to establish clear parameters on nature of your bulk, and provide your macro profile. For example my total caloric intake is just under 2000 since I'm trying to stay as close to keto as I can at 60/35/5 fpc.

I use BB.com calculators to keep track of this.

Fitness Calculators

[GimpManlet]

Why do people say when trying lose weight and if you have not lost weight, *gaining muscle?? They talk like you build kilo muscle a week. I was under impression that not that easy to build muscle plus new growth on 2 pounds a month or something????

People are full of **** sometimes. What happens often is that people train, then they are hungrier and end up eating more without realizing it, and not losing weight. In the end they may still be better off, more muscle mass = more daily energy expenditure. Not because of the much exaggerated fact that "muscles use more energy even when resting" but because people with more muscle do more work for the same effort level. You take stairs faster, play with kids harder, brush your hair with more vigor, whatever.

Why can you not work your muscles everyday? If you are not straining them or you are careful not to get injury why can you not work them daily?? Why people say muscles will not grow?? What does muscle say you work me daily I refuse to grow?? For example if you go from sitting down job to very physical job your muscles go from no work to work daily and for 7 hours, people still grow muscle. Makes no sense, if you are careful

You can work out every muscle every day. But it saps your power levels and your motivation and therefore it's not the best choice for most people. There is research suggesting a second bout of training before your muscles have recovered does not negatively impact muscle growth. But it's much easier to kill it when you're fresh than to force yourself through yesterday's fatigue, you know?

Bumped up my carbs and calories to 2400 from like 1900-2000 and I went up like 0.5kg in one week. I assume this is water, but should I increase the calories again or leave them where they are and see if I continue to climb? Despite the rise in bodyweight, my strength hasn't really increased and I feel as if I've lost definition. I was going to give it a week and if I didn't put on anymore weight I was going to increase calories by 100 until I start gaining 0.2kg a week. Anyone got any input?

I would give it another week for your water level to stabilize. It's hard to measure weight loss at that resolution (fractions of a kg per week), and if you change your calories every week you risk not learning anything. Stick to 2400 for at least two weeks and see if your 5 day average weight is slowly rising or stagnating. That's my advice, it took me months to figure out my maintenance because I was always changing either the training, the calories or the macros.

[LaughingStorm]

Bumped up my carbs and calories to 2400 from like 1900-2000 and I went up like 0.5kg in one week. I assume this is water, but should I increase the calories again or leave them where they are and see if I continue to climb? Despite the rise in bodyweight, my strength hasn't really increased and I feel as if I've lost definition. I was going to give it a week and if I didn't put on anymore weight I was going to increase calories by 100 until I start gaining 0.2kg a week. Anyone got any input?

I would stick with it awhile and see if you continue gaining or if it is water weight and you stall out. Strength gains will come with size, but expecting them in a week is rushing it quite a bit.

I would give it another week for your water level to stabilize. It's hard to measure weight loss at that resolution (fractions of a kg per week), and if you change your calories every week you risk not learning anything. Stick to 2400 for at least two weeks and see if your 5 day average weight is slowly rising or stagnating. That's my advice, it took me months to figure out my maintenance because I was always changing either the training, the calories or the macros.

Pretty much this.

For example my total caloric intake is just under 2000 since I'm trying to stay as close to keto as I can at 60/35/5 fpc.

Dude @ 6'4" if you were 40 years old and very lightly active 2000 calories would be your maintenance if you weighed a paltry 170 lbs. You may want to seriously consider the possibility that you have seriously damaged your metabolism with your nonstop cutting without any real periods of surplus to build lean mass. This is the anorexia spiral, srs.

Might be time to eat bigger and lift heavier. I know cute little cardio bunnies with higher TDEEs than yours. I'm worries about you, skinnybruv.

[TommyRO]

Dude @ 6'4" if you were 40 years old and very lightly active 2000 calories would be your maintenance if you weighed a paltry 170 lbs. You may want to seriously consider the possibility that you have seriously damaged your metabolism with your nonstop cutting without any real periods of surplus to build lean mass. This is the anorexia spiral, srs.

Might be time to eat bigger and lift heavier. I know cute little cardio bunnies with higher TDEEs than yours. I'm worries about you, skinnybruv.

Lol I assumed he was cutting hard at 2k cals, at 6'4" that's low if its his tdee. I'd lose over 2 lbs a week at 2k.

[SpiderJew]

Hey, got a question about shoulder pain and thought I'll try here before I create a thread, if someone can give me his two cents I'll appreciate it.

Well, I've been having this sort of discomfort in my left shoulder, it's right on top of the shoulder and I've been feeling it on and off for a couple weeks or so. It's not a real pain, as in it wouldn't stop me from doing anything but I had a back workout two days ago and suddenly I started getting a little more of this uncomfortable feeling in my left shoulder and I felt it quite a bit the rest of the day as well as yesterday. Today it feels better but I can still feel it if I move my left arm a lot and swing it around. Again, not a sharp pain, not even a "real" pain to be honest, but sort of an uncomfortable feeling on top of the left shoulder.

My question is, is it something to worry about? I'm not a poosy I just don't want to be one of these guys who ignore chit and then chit turns real bad and the doctor goes "If you came to me sooner..".
I read somewhere about "Shoulder Bursitis" or just a sore bursa or whatever, so I'm thinking it might be it mostly because it fits the location. What's your two cents? Should I keep training until it starts to actually hurt and only then go check it with a doctor or something? Anyone thinks he knows what I have?

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: Forgot to say that in my back workout where it got worse I did mostly just dumbbell rows and kneeling one arm rows. Another exercise where I feel my left shoulder getting more of this uncomfortable feeling is when I do lateral raises. (and wide push ups sometimes)

[LaughingStorm]

Lol I assumed he was cutting hard at 2k cals, at 6'4" that's low if its his tdee. I'd lose over 2 lbs a week at 2k.

I'm betting that at this point, dude is under 200 lbs again. Not sure what he thinks he should be cutting down to.

I'm not busting balls, I'm honestly worried. Body dysmorphia is real and dangerous.

Hey, got a question about shoulder pain and thought I'll try here before I create a thread, if someone can give me his two cents I'll appreciate it.
Well, I've been having this sort of discomfort in my left shoulder, it's right on top of the shoulder and I've been feeling it on and off for a couple weeks or so. It's not a real pain, as in it wouldn't stop me from doing anything but I had a back workout two days ago and suddenly I started getting a little more of this uncomfortable feeling in my left shoulder and I felt it quite a bit the rest of the day as well as yesterday. Today it feels better but I can still feel it if I move my left arm a lot and swing it around. Again, not a sharp pain, not even a "real" pain to be honest, but sort of an uncomfortable feeling on top of the left shoulder.
My question is, is it something to worry about? I'm not a poosy I just don't want to be one of these guys who ignore chit and then chit turns real bad and the doctor goes "If you came to me sooner..".
I read somewhere about "Shoulder Bursitis" or just a sore bursa or whatever, so I'm thinking it might be it mostly because it fits the location. What's your two cents? Should I keep training until it starts to actually hurt and only then go check it with a doctor or something? Anyone thinks he knows what I have?
Thanks in advance.

I get the same thing from high rep dips. No idea what it is.

[TommyRO]

Hey, got a question about shoulder pain and thought I'll try here before I create a thread, if someone can give me his two cents I'll appreciate it.

Well, I've been having this sort of discomfort in my left shoulder, it's right on top of the shoulder and I've been feeling it on and off for a couple weeks or so. It's not a real pain, as in it wouldn't stop me from doing anything but I had a back workout two days ago and suddenly I started getting a little more of this uncomfortable feeling in my left shoulder and I felt it quite a bit the rest of the day as well as yesterday. Today it feels better but I can still feel it if I move my left arm a lot and swing it around. Again, not a sharp pain, not even a "real" pain to be honest, but sort of an uncomfortable feeling on top of the left shoulder.

My question is, is it something to worry about? I'm not a poosy I just don't want to be one of these guys who ignore chit and then chit turns real bad and the doctor goes "If you came to me sooner..".
I read somewhere about "Shoulder Bursitis" or just a sore bursa or whatever, so I'm thinking it might be it mostly because it fits the location. What's your two cents? Should I keep training until it starts to actually hurt and only then go check it with a doctor or something? Anyone thinks he knows what I have?

Thanks in advance.

EDIT: Forgot to say that in my back workout where it got worse I did mostly just dumbbell rows and kneeling one arm rows. Another exercise where I feel my left shoulder getting more of this uncomfortable feeling is when I do lateral raises. (and wide push ups sometimes)

I used to have this issue on my left shoulder until I changed my benching form. Once I swapped everything started recovering. The pain hindered all progress for me though like couldn't heavy presses and the works. Check you benching form

I'm betting that at this point, dude is under 200 lbs again. Not sure what he thinks he should be cutting down to.

I'm not busting balls, I'm honestly worried. Body dysmorphia is real and dangerous.

Well he's an experienced so assuming he has a plan, I just know I can't survive on that.

[nads786]

For the shoulder pain people:

This is a great video on relieving some of that shoulder pain, all you need is a band:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eveYJP1indI

[LaughingStorm]

Well he's an experienced so assuming he has a plan, I just know I can't survive on that.

I hear ya. But if years of experience leave you small and injured, might be time to try something new.

I know a lot of dudes who have spent their lifting lives terrified of bulking. At a certain point you're going to plateau and stagnate like that.

[BlueSasquatch]

Did Lucifer and Laughing Storm wank each other off to completion yet? Or are they still just doing foreplay?

Bulking this winter, up to 282 or so, tempted to fat-boy sprint to 300 by summer, and then probably cut down. Wanting to see how much it effects my strength on the big 3.

[LaughingStorm]

Did Lucifer and Laughing Storm wank each other off to completion yet? Or are they still just doing foreplay?

Never waste foreplay on a twink. Hell, I don't even waste lube on Luc1. If you go in dry, he scurries off and hides for awhile.

Bulking this winter, up to 282 or so, tempted to fat-boy sprint to 300 by summer, and then probably cut down. Wanting to see how much it effects my strength on the big 3.

Mirin hard. The bulk doing much for your total so far?

[KRANE]

Never waste foreplay on a twink. Hell, I don't even waste lube on Luc1. If you go in dry, he scurries off and hides for awhile.



Mirin hard. The bulk doing much for your total so far?

Well look who crawled out of his sarco****us. I'm still cutting to paper thin. You jelly?

Not really, my diet is officially over (as of January) so I'm just taking a break and eating sensibly at the moment. Strength is up though despite the cut, so so much to the naysayers who believe you always have to bulk to get stronger.

I will publish the results at the end of the month. The changes may only be subtle, but such is the life of the natty.

[LaughingStorm]

Well look who crawled out of his sarco****us. I'm still cutting to paper thin. You jelly?
Not really, my diet is officially over (as of January) so I'm just taking a break and eating sensibly at the moment. Strength is up though despite the cut, so so much to the naysayers who believe you always have to bulk to get stronger.
I will publish the results at the end of the month. The changes may only be subtle, but such is the life of the natty.

Bruv, cut anymore and you will cease to be.

Never said that you have to bulk to get stronger, just that you have to bulk to actually get strong.