U.S. FDA warns five companies over BMPEA stimulant in supplements

[fahdalsheheata]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0NE2OH20150423
craze all over again?

[Mike McCandless]

Oh wow, I'm shocked........

You would think after a certain level of FDA involvement in certain companies, they would just shut them down. Not that consumers care, as long as you make a good tasting protein, lets avoid those liver failure issues. I love companies with the name science in them, who do no science.

[KingOfChaos]

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...0NE2OH20150423
craze all over again?

Never heard of any of those except Lipodrene which was some TV advertised bull **** I never considered serious.

[Rob1882]

Oh wow, I'm shocked........

You would think after a certain level of FDA involvement in certain companies, they would just shut them down. Not that consumers care, as long as you make a good tasting protein, lets avoid those liver failure issues. I love companies with the name science in them, who do no science.

Sarcasm strong here

FDA... lol

[fahdalsheheata]

Never heard of any of those except Lipodrene which was some TV advertised bull **** I never considered serious.

I think this is relevant
http://www.fda.gov/iceci/enforcement.../ucm444041.htm

[Rob1882]

inb4 loudy

[Mike McCandless]

Would be interesting to see who manufactures at Hi-Tech. We do not and never have used them.

[snorkelman]

We request that you advise us in writing, within 15 days of receipt of this letter, as to the specific steps that have been or will be taken to correct these violations, including any steps taken with respect to product currently in the marketplace.

I wonder if there will soon be a BOGO on Conquer™ (Fruit Punch Slam and Raspberry Lemonade flavors)...

[fahdalsheheata]

Would be interesting to see who manufactures at Hi-Tech. We do not and never have used them.

I've been asking some of reps of companies whose products manufactured by Hi-tech how they can be sure that their products are safe considering that manufacturer's conducts in the past and apparently in the present they never answered but I got my answer now. Also mike why companies don't say who manufactures for them? why is it kept as a secret?

[snorkelman]

...why companies don't say who manufactures for them? why is it kept as a secret?

It's the first rule of supplement club

[Rob1882]

why is it kept as a secret?

I think it should be obvious.

You don't see Nike/Apple and many others, getting up bragging about all of it's products being produced in sweat shop's often at gun point or in locked buildings.

[kissdadookie]

Would be interesting to see who manufactures at Hi-Tech. We do not and never have used them.

Many. Ron probably has the entire list :P

[Bliptrip]

Would be interesting to see who manufactures at Hi-Tech. We do not and never have used them.

They have their own manufacturing facility and do a lot of private labeling too. You would be surprised at some of the more popular supplement companies that use Hi-Tech to make their products..

http://hi-technutraceuticals.com/about.php

Just do a search on the President of the company listed in the link. Seems like a good guy who I would trust to make MY products if I had a supplement company..

It all started with Renewtrient (GHB) back in the day..

[Motiviert]

Oh wow, I'm shocked........

You would think after a certain level of FDA involvement in certain companies, they would just shut them down. Not that consumers care, as long as you make a good tasting protein, lets avoid those liver failure issues. I love companies with the name science in them, who do no science.

Lolol in while Mike is still unbanned. Tmrl though.

[LoudyRowdy]

inb4 loudy

Sup

[BULLED]

I think it should be obvious.

You don't see Nike/Apple and many others, getting up bragging about all of it's products being produced in sweat shop's often at gun point or in locked buildings.

Yeah, but you don't put your sneakers and your iPhone in your body, do you? Please tell me you don't This industry should be much better controlled than any other, and it's just the opposite...

[nufatty]

Not that consumers care, as long as you make a good tasting protein, lets avoid those liver failure issues. I love companies with the name science in them, who do no science.

I sincerely feel thats because consumers are unaware..they do care about liver failure. I'm one of them.

[kissdadookie]

I think it should be obvious.

You don't see Nike/Apple and many others, getting up bragging about all of it's products being produced in sweat shop's often at gun point or in locked buildings.

Do you have any clue what the work conditions in China generally is? Apple isn't running or using sweatshops.

I've worked in a Chinese owned factory in the states for a few years. To a typical westerner it would be considered sweatshop-like conditions, guess what? We ALL wanted MORE overtime even though we were already already working 10-12 hour shifts. It's a cultural thing. I can't say the same for factories Nike produces in, but the factories that Apple uses, those are very familiar to me.

[Rob1882]

Yeah, but you don't put your sneakers and your iPhone in your body, do you? Please tell me you don't This industry should be much better controlled than any other, and it's just the opposite...

Well if people in the US think their food is handled better...

Do you have any clue what the work conditions in China generally is? Apple isn't running or using sweatshops.

I've worked in a Chinese owned factory in the states for a few years. To a typical westerner it would be considered sweatshop-like conditions, guess what? We ALL wanted MORE overtime even though we were already already working 10-12 hour shifts. It's a cultural thing. I can't say the same for factories Nike produces in, but the factories that Apple uses, those are very familiar to me.

Have I been in China? No I have been throughout Latin America and the conditions are NOT good and far worse than anywhere inside of the US. My thoughts on the working status in the US is not good the need for all that overtime is an entirely different convo and it is also not good.

Apple has had contracts with hundreds of companies many of which have been the target of human rights violations and multitude of deaths

[koard31]

Well if people in the US think their food is handled better...

I only let my meat get handled by trained professionals....

[kissdadookie]

Well if people in the US think their food is handled better...



Have I been in China? No I have been throughout Latin America and the conditions are NOT good and far worse than anywhere inside of the US

Apple has had contracts with hundreds of companies many of which have been the target of human rights violations and multitude of deaths

Apple produces in China. Thus what you know about Latin America does not apply to China. As for human rights violations, that's China in general and as for the multitudes of deaths, the suicide rates in the populations of the factory compounds (which are essentially small cities) are in line if not lower than their national suicide rate.

It's nonsensical to look at China's working conditions and projecting western values on to it. Different culture entirely. You do realize that in China, that one child policy, people had to BRIBE local authorities JUST so that they can officially report that they have broken the one child policy right? That's China.

[Rob1882]

Apple produces in China. Thus what you know about Latin America does not apply to China. As for human rights violations, that's China in general and as for the multitudes of deaths, the suicide rates in the populations of the factory compounds (which are essentially small cities) are in line if not lower than their national suicide rate.

This is correct but people going to be people and these same companies operate global their practices are NOT unique they are pretty much all doing it

[kissdadookie]

This is correct but people going to be people and these same companies operate global their practices are NOT unique they are pretty much all doing it

It's not Apple's practices. It's a CULTURAL thing. We are talking about a country in which you have cowboy illegal coal mines popping up all over. We are talking about a country that sold fake eggs. Shells and all. We are talking about a country where people were collecting buckets of sewage used oil so that they can take it to the oil refinery and sell it to the refinery.

We are talking about a culture in which the entire goal is to make the quick buck rather than long term strategies. Even here where we have an abundance of Chinese people. One Chinese restaurant gets popular, very quickly you'll see at least 3-4 pop up imitating the original popular one and then they start playing the price game and aim to undercut everyone else until either they all close shop because they saturate the market so badly that the business is no longer viable, or that the prices have been dragged down so low that the businesses are no longer sustainable.

[Rob1882]

It's nonsensical to look at China's working conditions and projecting western values on to it. Different culture entirely. You do realize that in China, that one child policy, people had to BRIBE local authorities JUST so that they can officially report that they have broken the one child policy right? That's China.

Disagree they are US based company selling to/inside the US they should abide by our standards period they are ONLY using Chinese labor to save money to boost profit margins Apple has been the target OF MANY Human rights violations through it's supply chains - as have pretty much every chip company that exists from worker deaths directly related to chemicals to deplorable working conditions even given the context of the country of origin.

If we inside of the US did not allow this to be the normal and cared about the quality of products perhaps we wouldn't be using the world as cheap labor - Latin America is a prime example since we are a HUGE factor in it's condition we played a direct role.

This is completely off topic and only relevant in how companies operate to save money it's just not worth continuing - if someone likes Apple by all means. It's not as if any alternative is being produced differently.

[kissdadookie]

Disagree they are US based company selling to/inside the US they should abide by our standards period they are ONLY using Chinese labor to save money to boost profit margins Apple has been the target OF MANY Human rights violations through it's supply chains - as have pretty much every chip company that exists from worker deaths directly related to chemicals to deplorable working conditions even given the context of the country of origin.

If we inside of the US did not allow this to be the normal and cared about the quality of products perhaps we wouldn't be using the world as cheap labor - Latin America is a prime example since we are a HUGE factor in it's condition we played a direct role.

You clearly don't understand how Chinese people operate businesses. Very clearly not understand how they operate businesses. See my edits to my post above yours. That's strictly Chinese competing with Chinese. That is just a small slice of their business mentality.

[Mike McCandless]

They have their own manufacturing facility and do a lot of private labeling too. You would be surprised at some of the more popular supplement companies that use Hi-Tech to make their products..

http://hi-technutraceuticals.com/about.php

Just do a search on the President of the company listed in the link. Seems like a good guy who I would trust to make MY products if I had a supplement company..

It all started with Renewtrient (GHB) back in the day..

I know of at least 5 companies that post on this board that make some items there.

In regards to China, it would be really cool if companies went over to actually see where their stuff is made. Here is a picture from one of our surprise audits of a factory that wanted to supply us certain amino acids. This is one of the largest factories in china for this specific ingredient:



That was back in December, went back to China in March and will pass back through in June again. This is what I mean by QC. Most companies will give you the name of an american broker when asked where do they buy their materials from. This is the difference in knowing your supply chain and not. Don't worry though, it was B1G1 in the store. Sometimes, there is a reason for that. This picture was third party verified if anyone was wondering.

[LoudyRowdy]

Yeah, but you don't put your sneakers and your iPhone in your body, do you? Please tell me you don't This industry should be much better controlled than any other, and it's just the opposite...

he wont even eat a pop tart

[Mike McCandless]

Notice the materials sitting in the background. Those had been there for AWHILE. They tried to convince us they had just set them outside. This is during their winter. This is part of their water treatment, which is where a large portion of heavy metals comes from in materials. Most companies are stupid and have no idea where metal content comes from. When you audit a factory the first place you want to look at, is the water treatment plant.



This is a terrible example of part of one.

[BULLED]

he wont even eat a pop tart

I think he is barely eating. Just look at his before & after pisc... he's disappearing. Poor Rob, you will be missed

[LoudyRowdy]