Ny pro 2015

[AdamantiumYoke]

[Loastres]

Victor is my favorite and his best is better than anything Ramy has ever brought to the stage so far.......but I can never forgive Oscar for that waist man.....makes me sad.

as if thats oscars fault, its obvious his waist was heading into expanding territory regardless of oscar

[Unbiasedfan]

as if thats oscars fault, its obvious his waist was heading into expanding territory regardless of oscar

Agreed, oscar messed it up at the time, but it isn't permanent, just like kai. He has nothing to do with how his waist looks now.

Proof:

[lancs_hotpot]

Says he needs to stay injury free for the next couple of weeks, yet deadlifts 6 plates for a hard 2 and rows 4 plates using a **** ton of body momentum. Haha. Doesnt even annoy me i think its funny the bollocks some bodybuilders come out with.

[LimitBreak]

I hope Big Ramy's prep isn't missed up, according to Instagram he was scammed out of his money by the promoter for guest posing in Iran, did not sound like a pleasing experience.

[AdamantiumYoke]

Juan Carlos 2 weeks out



Now I am starting to feel bad for him

[endurancell]

Juan Carlos 2 weeks out



Now I am starting to feel bad for him

No amount of bathroom downlighting can fix that Beyeke-esque conditioning

[MrDeafMuscle]

Victor's looking pretty good.

For sure. His muscles are looking full. I like how his muscle bellies are built to give the appearance of deep outlines if that makes sense.

[BartPimpson]

Agreed, oscar messed it up at the time, but it isn't permanent, just like kai. He has nothing to do with how his waist looks now.

It's just that 2012 was the year of the Victorpocalypse - going to prison for several months, and then almost immediately suffering a potentially career-ending injury.

I could easily believe that he upped the dosages beyond what he was comfortable with to regain lost ground. It might not have been Oscar's fault at all.

[flangmasterj]

It's just that 2012 was the year of the Victorpocalypse - going to prison for several months, and then almost immediately suffering a potentially career-ending injury.

Also broke his arm after that.

[Nep2une]

Also broke his arm after that.

I had actually forgotten about that

In the history of Bodybuilding he is a very unique and inspirng story.

Jail....apparently he was the only ped user/seller in the ifbb

Ripped off in 07

wrecked his knee

Sister murdered

not one but two autistic children

Jailed again for another good stretch basically for being jailed the first time from what I understand.

Lost his restaurant

Broke his arm, arm wrestling

I`m hoping for one really awesome thing to happen for this guy in the sport before he`s done, I doubt an Olympia but something awesome like a top 3 finish or a Arnold classic title.

[AniMaLizTik]

Victor's looking pretty good.

I like Vic, but no. Until he can pack on the size and condition that he had in '07, his waist will continue to dominate his physique.

Cisternino 2 weeks out !!!





Will be strongest contender for the top spot IMO

seriously? am I the only one that thinks everyone looks soft?

Juan Carlos 2 weeks out



Now I am starting to feel bad for him

this dude is trolling lmao.

*post pic "3 weeks out" looking like he just left the buffet 20 weeks out*
*post pics a week later looking even worse*

he has to be trolling. has to

[IngeKJ]

No amount of bathroom downlighting can fix that Beyeke-esque conditioning

This guy is gonna be twice as bad as Beyeke's worst

[lukamura]

Am I the only one who finds the lack of conditioning at PRO shows ridiculously unprofessional? They are PROs for god's sake, yet the come in softer than most natural bodybuilders. God, they must know **** about dieting.

With the amount of drugs they should be looking like Ronnie Coleman's ass at 4 weeks out.

[AniMaLizTik]

Am I the only one who finds the lack of conditioning at PRO shows ridiculously unprofessional? They are PROs for god's sake, yet the come in softer than most natural bodybuilders. God, they must know **** about dieting.

With the amount of drugs they should be looking like Ronnie Coleman's ass at 4 weeks out.

feels. A majority of natty pros have crazy detail and shreds compared to IFBB pros. Imagine if Big Ramy could get Doug Miller conditioning......hole-e-fuk

[flangmasterj]

Am I the only one who finds the lack of conditioning at PRO shows ridiculously unprofessional? They are PROs for god's sake, yet the come in softer than most natural bodybuilders. God, they must know **** about dieting.

With the amount of drugs they should be looking like Ronnie Coleman's ass at 4 weeks out.

Right there with you. Naturals will get in shape to place at a measley regional show hopefully picking up a tub of protein and a trophy. These "pros" get paid to do what they do and still **** it up. Their sponsors should make it clear in their contracts that if they don't come in at their very best or close to it they get the boot.

[Unbiasedfan]

Always assumed it had something to do with some of the drugs they use, that make it more of an hit or miss situation (water retention) while maybe natties only use drugs to get as hard as possible since size isn't as relevant. Obviously this is an assumption based on 0 knowledge, and that can be refuted when we look at phil's contest history for example.

Who knows..

[NVious]

Always assumed it had something to do with some of the drugs they use, that make it more of an hit or miss situation (water retention) while maybe natties only use drugs to get as hard as possible since size isn't as relevant. Obviously this is an assumption based on 0 knowledge, and that can be refuted when we look at phil's contest history for example.

Who knows..

Most guys don't give themselves enough time and aren't THAT meticulous.

Dorian was never out of shape, but he also tracked his calories/training year round and was ready 4 weeks out.

Other IFBB pros get too sloppy, then instead of dieting for 14-18 (which is what they need), they diet for 8-10. When they come in off they blame it on the carb up/food poisoning or the alignment of the stars, they then hang em up, call it a year and we'll see them back again next year.

[AdamantiumYoke]

IMO getting shredded is actually more difficult for the enhanced bodybuilders.
1. They are already holding more muscle than they are meant to, which messes up with natural equilibrium of body. So the danger of losing more muscle/ getting too soft [ along with loosening of skin ] is much more.
2. As unbiased also said, the drugs mess a LOT with all fluids in all the places [ subcutaneous layer of skin, in blood, in stomach, muscle, everywhere]
3. The normal hormonal responses are fkkd up and the body can end up in haphazard state [ like catabolism with T3 usage etc ]. At this level, effects of change in hormones are amplified many times since everything taken, done and observed is EXTREME.
4. Most of the bodybuilders aren't really qualified and educated enough to make the best use of drugs. Remember, they are just tools, and tools are just as good as the man exploiting them.
just my 2 Rupees

[Patrick-DK]

feels. A majority of natty pros have crazy detail and shreds compared to IFBB pros. Imagine if Big Ramy could get Doug Miller conditioning......hole-e-fuk

Please show me a "natty" pro with sick conditioning. People are so fking delusional when talking about who's natty

[masthead716]

Please show me a "natty" pro with sick conditioning. People are so fking delusional when talking about who's natty

in be4 this 155 lb lightweight isn't natty....

in be4 gh15 filt conspiracy theory....

There are a lot of fake natties out there, BUT, believe it or not....there are actually people that don't take drugs. Imagine that.

Edit: This lightweight Valentine Ezugha had some of the best shape/condition I've ever seen in person and stomped this heavyweight in the overall at this IFPA show (very respected federation). I stood right next to him and absolutely nothing about his physique said unnatural to me.



hnggggg


Most fake natties are these IG or youtube fitness models with huge contracts and tons of money on the line....most natural pros (in respected federations) have zero incentive to lie or use drugs and make nothing off the sport.

[NVious]

IMO getting shredded is actually more difficult for the enhanced bodybuilders.
1. They are already holding more muscle than they are meant to, which messes up with natural equilibrium of body. So the danger of losing more muscle/ getting too soft [ along with loosening of skin ] is much more.
2. As unbiased also said, the drugs mess a LOT with all fluids in all the places [ subcutaneous layer of skin, in blood, in stomach, muscle, everywhere]
3. The normal hormonal responses are fkkd up and the body can end up in haphazard state [ like catabolism with T3 usage etc ]. At this level, effects of change in hormones are amplified many times since everything taken, done and observed is EXTREME.
4. Most of the bodybuilders aren't really qualified and educated enough to make the best use of drugs. Remember, they are just tools, and tools are just as good as the man exploiting them.
just my 2 Rupees

Peaking may be more difficult due to more variables, getting shredded is not, most pros just don't have a meticulous approach. Dorian being the best example of someone who endeavored to maximize every aspect of his life around his prep and did everything he could within his prep to ensure success. He may not have been 100% at every Olympia, but this was never due to a lack of conditioning, even at his worst, his conditioning was still damn good...it's just his body was worn.

Please show me a "natty" pro with sick conditioning. People are so fking delusional when talking about who's natty

You're just further proving the point, let's assume there are NO naturals with "sick conditioning"...ok great, then if they are able to get on that level with less...why can't pros get to that level with more?

[Gorky88]

You're just further proving the point, let's assume there are NO naturals with "sick conditioning"...ok great, then if they are able to get on that level with less...why can't pros get to that level with more?

lol exactly this

[AdamantiumYoke]

Peaking may be more difficult due to more variables, getting shredded is not, most pros just don't have a meticulous approach. Dorian being the best example of someone who endeavored to maximize every aspect of his life around his prep and did everything he could within his prep to ensure success. He may not have been 100% at every Olympia, but this was never due to a lack of conditioning, even at his worst, his conditioning was still damn good...it's just his body was worn.

I took "peaking" within getting shredded for the competition. If you are not shredded, "peaking" protocols like carbing up and losing all the water etc. isn't gonna do anything IMO. And I agree 100% with rest of the post. It's not everyday that you get to see someone acknowledging DY on this forum.

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[Unbiasedfan]

most natural pros (in respected federations) have zero incentive to lie or use drugs and make nothing off the sport.

Of course financial incentives are at the source of plenty of lies when it comes to drug use. However, there are plenty more reasons to do it.

[alex070707]

I honestly don't want to continue this debate but LOL at anybody who thinks weight can determine wether or not one is natty.

[Devils]

IMO getting shredded is actually more difficult for the enhanced bodybuilders.
1. They are already holding more muscle than they are meant to, which messes up with natural equilibrium of body. So the danger of losing more muscle/ getting too soft [ along with loosening of skin ] is much more.
2. As unbiased also said, the drugs mess a LOT with all fluids in all the places [ subcutaneous layer of skin, in blood, in stomach, muscle, everywhere]
3. The normal hormonal responses are fkkd up and the body can end up in haphazard state [ like catabolism with T3 usage etc ]. At this level, effects of change in hormones are amplified many times since everything taken, done and observed is EXTREME.
4. Most of the bodybuilders aren't really qualified and educated enough to make the best use of drugs. Remember, they are just tools, and tools are just as good as the man exploiting them.
just my 2 Rupees

lol it is NOT more difficult, it would be much easier.

[ltrrtl218]

While I don't expect pro's to come in at their best every time, I would think that since they are professionals after all that they would reach a certain level of conditioning for ever contest. If it's truly a lack of preparation and commitment to their diet and meet some standard then they shouldn't be doing this as a living.

[SPARTANUP]

This lightweight Valentine Ezugha had some of the best shape/condition I've ever seen in person and stomped this heavyweight in the overall at this IFPA show (very respected federation). I stood right next to himand absolutely nothing about his physique said unnatural to me.
hnggggg

yep because standing next to someone is a solid way to determine natty stats.

But I do agree with the Hnggg part, dude has some Ronnie Cepts and David Henrylike condish. Great shape ALL THE TOOLS are there for him to rule 212 and beyond.. lets hope he pulls a DExter Jackson.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

I'll never claim to know someone is natural. I'll say I know someone is unnatural. There are very obvious visual things that can occur that anyone can see. But there are plenty of athletes who do not look like they are on PED's who in fact are and get away with it and beat drug tests for decades. Unless you're psychic you never really know for sure.