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04-11-2015, 08:01 PM #151
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04-11-2015, 08:03 PM #152
dont know where i stand on this, but i will say i'd rather take a bullet to the head instead of getting trapped and eaten alive by wild lions and tigers.
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04-11-2015, 08:10 PM #153
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04-11-2015, 09:03 PM #154
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04-11-2015, 09:07 PM #155
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04-11-2015, 10:06 PM #156
ok so you are comparing killing a giraffe, which is hunted for economical and sporting reasons, to killing random dogs for no reason other than "experience". I realize I am dealing with a complete retard.
Ok let me dumb this question down for you. first, you are mistaking people hunting game for people killing an animal just for the sake of killing it. there are benefits to one but not the other.So what are you really rustled about? That it is legal to hunt these kinds of animals?
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04-11-2015, 10:13 PM #157
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04-11-2015, 10:21 PM #158
'The total number of giraffes in Africa was estimated by IUCN in 1999 to exceed 140,000, (of which 40% were in or around protected areas and private lands) and such numbers were thought capable of being maintained were they adequately protected.
Current estimates by the GCF have the population at less than 80,000 individuals across all (sub)species. This is a considerable drop in the last decade and shows that the plight of giraffe is in real danger. Efforts are underway to build up an accurate census of the entire population – working closely with IUCN SSC ASG International Giraffe Working Group. With the exception of Angolan, Cape and West African giraffe, all other subspecies are either decreasing and/or unstable. Poaching, human population growth, habitat loss, habitat fragmentation and habitat degradation continue to impact on the giraffe’s distribution across the continent.
List of (sub)species:
Angolan giraffe (G. c. angolensis) < 20,000
Kordofan giraffe (G. c. antiquorum) < 3,000
Masai giraffe (G. c. tippelschirchi) < 37,000
Nubian giraffe (G. c. camelopardalis) < 650
Reticulated giraffe (G. c. reticulata) < 4,700
Rothschild's giraffe (G. c. rothschildi) < 1,100
South African giraffe (G. c. giraffa) < 12,000
Thornicroft’s giraffe (G c. thornicrofti) < 1,000
West African giraffe (G. c. peralta) < 300 '
http://www.giraffeconservation.org/g...ts.php?pgid=40
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04-11-2015, 10:24 PM #159
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04-11-2015, 10:27 PM #160
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04-11-2015, 10:32 PM #164
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Hi MISC.
I'm a former US army ranger.
I'm also a former anti-poaching volunteer from central Africa.
Very few of you have any idea what you're talking about. If you think hunting is destroying the African wildlife, you're an idiot. (srs) Please don't breed (srs) and please don't post. (srs)
The money on hunts, especially big game hunts, is used to hire game scouts and run anti-poaching programs that stop illegal hunting. It's used to feed workers who run safaris so people can be educated about animals and it pays to bribe government officials so they don't shut game reserves down.
Stop posting if you have no idea what you're talking about. And PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE stop posting pictures and stories of that stupid woman who was a diesel mechanic and has no idea what the fck anti-poaching even is. Goddamn it.
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04-11-2015, 11:02 PM #165
Why don't you provide some pictures of you being a positive impact through trophy hunting. You don't have any though. Which is literally the exact thing you are crying about. People being passionate about something without following through on it. If you wanna be a tough guy, go drop some money on some trophy hunts and then come back. Otherwise you're a hypocrite and you can kindly stop jocking on everyone ITT who has an opinion.
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04-11-2015, 11:19 PM #166
Sorry but trophy hunting isn't causing endangered species.
Organized hunts do more for African wildlife conservation than middle class emo *******s do by holding signs and not eating meat. These people are potentially paying MILLIONS to cull non-breeding members from a herd which would have to be culled anyway.
They get their trophy, the park gets $500,000 to help the animals who are still capable of contributing to the gene pool.
If these people are poaching (which i highly doubt) then they're *******s and deserve to die, but organized, sponsored hunts are good for everyone.**#3 always delivers crew**
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04-11-2015, 11:26 PM #167
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First off, I'm not anti-hunting. I'm a big outdoorsman, but just never had the opportunity to delve into hunting yet. However, my interest for hunting is more about learning a bit of the skill in case there is a situation that required me to do so. In my opinion, it is one of those things that, along with the ability to start a fire, something that every man should know in cases of emergency. Especially in the soft, fragile society we live in now.
With that said, I'm someone that finds more beauty in a donation letter hanging on a wall than a corpse hanging on a wall, so why some people “help conservation” by paying $10k to pose next to a corpse rather than just donating $10k to help conservation boggles my mind. But whatever their excuse is for killing things... the fact of the matter is that those people enjoy killing and there is a market for it. It's better to manage the amount of creatures killed for these people's fun of posing next to corpses and then hanging them up than it is to leave it open for the black market, because less animals are killed this way and A LOT more money goes towards conservation. From what I remember, the hunting market contributes a lot more money towards conservation than mere donation, but I could be wrong since my memory is a bit hazy on that subject. Another unfortunate fact is that humans have made major ecological disturbances as our populations have risen, expanded, migrated, and connected on a global scale - so, in some cases, culling animals can help the genetic diversity of certain ailing populations of species. Now, in a perfect world, human population would be more vigorously managed than that of other species, and global education would allow for better managed societies. We all know that is not going to happen though, at least not anytime soon. So, for the time being, trophy hunting is a necessary "evil".Last edited by Skunk; 04-11-2015 at 11:39 PM.
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04-11-2015, 11:27 PM #168
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04-11-2015, 11:32 PM #169
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04-11-2015, 11:50 PM #170
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04-12-2015, 02:28 AM #171
The ad hominems only weaken your argument. There is no need to be upset.
Do you really think this woman was hunting a giraffe to give to the economy of whatever african country she shot it in? And is it really a "sporting" reason to get in a range rover with a shooting platform, drive up to giraffe and then shoot it in the head? If it's shooting she wants, why not go to a shooting range? Why specifically does it have to end in killing, if not because she's specifically killing for killings sake?
I ask again, if you're for killing unsuspecting giraffes for no reason other than killing them and/or taking a trophy, why not just go to a pet shop and kill an unsuspecting dog, and take that as a trophy? You could even release it into a field and set up a shooting platform just like this lady did for "sport", if thats what you want. If anything it saves you money, you don't have to buy a plane ticket or pay a large hunting fee. Please explain your logic without resorting to insults and emotional responses. I'm genuinely looking for a reason for people to spend their time in such a manner.
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Just to clear up, in case you can't understand why I draw the comparison between giraffes and dogs, the reasons you gave for killing "game" like this girrafe were for "economical" and "sporting" reasons. It's economical to kill dogs, there are too many of them, loads get put down all the time. If you release the dog in a field while you set up your shooting station, just like with this giraffe, maybe play fetch with it then shoot it as it's running back, that's just as "sporting" as what happened with this giraffe.
Given that my dog hunting scenario fulfills your reasons for giraffe hunting, why are you pro one and against the other?Last edited by Skarm; 04-12-2015 at 02:35 AM.
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04-12-2015, 02:31 AM #172
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04-12-2015, 02:47 AM #176
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04-12-2015, 02:50 AM #177
Glad to see some people in here actually understand the value of trophy hunting in terms of conservation management.What people don't seem to get is how important it is to control herbivore stocks within game/wildlife reservers.
Ordinarily herbivores graze/browse an area and then move on once they have depleted the resources. This is not possible in a fenced reserve, if the herbivores graze everything down they can't just move on to fresh grounds. Therefore, wildlife managers need to very carefully balance their herbivore stocks with the rate of grass/browse regrowth to avoid everything starving. Consequently, if herbivore numbers get too high they often have to remove the excess stock. Usually they might be able to sell their excess stock onto a different game reserve. But what happens if no one wants to buy these extra animals? The only solution then is to kill them for the good of the other animals still within the park. So why not let someone like this woman pay a large fee to remove your extra animals that you needed to get rid of in the first place? As others have pointed out, these fees can go a long way in terms of paying for the maintenance of the park/hiring anti-poaching patrols, which ultimately benefits all of the other animals in the reserve.
Ye it would be nice if we lived in an ideal world where this didn't need to happen, but sadly this form of management has become necessary due to poaching. Effective wildlife conservation requires pragmatic solutions, which is something the ignorant masses losing their **** on ******** don't seem to understand.
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04-12-2015, 02:50 AM #178
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