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    Originally Posted by notorius1 View Post
    Its just a metaphysical necessity bruh.
    And a quality which cannot, for some reason, be attributed to other things such as the matter which makes up the universe, I suppose.
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    Originally Posted by Jackal005 View Post
    And a quality which cannot, for some reason, be attributed to other things such as the matter which makes up the universe, I suppose.

    God is the exception to every rule.
    Evidence.



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    Originally Posted by NewDayHappy View Post
    What about Hitler? Jeffery Dahmer? 9/11 Terrorists? You don't think they are deserving of a Hell?
    If hell is where bad people go to be tortured forever by the devil, doesn't that make him one of the good guys?

    No sign of god when moms are getting raped and puppies getting murdered...that's "not his style"

    But satan got our backs yo
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    Originally Posted by EdwardTheGreat View Post
    If hell is where bad people go to be tortured forever by the devil, doesn't that make him one of the good guys?

    No sign of god when moms are getting raped and puppies getting murdered...that's "not his style"

    But satan got our backs yo
    And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever. Revelation 20:10
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    Originally Posted by EdwardTheGreat View Post
    If hell is where bad people go to be tortured forever by the devil, doesn't that make him one of the good guys?
    Who says the devil rules hell?
    Ugh @ Hollywood.
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    if u dont believe in hell go to the mall on black friday
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    Originally Posted by magog704 View Post
    if u dont believe in hell go to the mall on black friday
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    Originally Posted by MuzzieChik786 View Post
    Ugh @ Hollywood.
    Ugh @ all of it actually. Hollywood is not the only party responsible for mass delusion.
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    Originally Posted by EdwardTheGreat View Post
    Ugh @ all of it actually. Hollywood is not the only party responsible for mass delusion.
    You don't think fear is a useful tool to maintain a civil society?

    Actually, that'd be a good thread. I wonder if people would rather fear God (by extension going to hell) or authority like government/police.
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    Originally Posted by MuzzieChik786 View Post
    You don't think fear is a useful tool to maintain a civil society?

    Actually, that'd be a good thread. I wonder if people would rather fear God (by extension going to hell) or authority like government/police.
    Useful tool? Yes. But is it necessary? I don't rape/murder/steal etc because I don't have any ability to do so, not because of fear of the law. Wrong is wrong
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    Originally Posted by EdwardTheGreat View Post
    Useful tool? Yes. But is it necessary? I don't rape/murder/steal etc because I don't have any ability to do so, not because of fear of the law. Wrong is wrong
    Fair enough. YOU may not do those things because you just won't. But majority of people won't do those things for fear of the law.
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    People are taught about hell as children when they don't know better. They adopt a belief system that says hell is a very real and scary place. Even as they get older and intellectually should be able to understand how silly their beliefs are they can't. According to their belief system even challenging these beliefs literally threatens their existence. Its the ego protecting itself.

    Its the same reason why you can tie up an elephant as a child. Even as it grows up and becomes strong enough to break loose it doesn't even bother to try. The elephants belief system is that it is impossible and trying only amounts to pain and suffering.

    Our belief systems really do shape our world like a self fulfilling prophecy. They are like operating systems that subconsciously control our behavior and thoughts. IMO its a very good idea to be aware of whats going on. Instead of denying it and thinking you are some special butterfly that isn't effected by these kinds of things. That way you can consciously brainwash yourself instead of just being a victim of circumstance. Like growing up in a religious family and believing in hell.
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    Originally Posted by MuzzieChik786 View Post
    But majority of people won't do those things for fear of the law.
    Really? Do you honestly feel that the "majority" of people around you every day would snatch your wallet from you, or physically harm you if there was no law? Would you do those things if it wasn't for your faith or local law enforcement LOL?!? It is sad to think so poorly of the people we live with...I hope you just didn't think that statement through before you typed it out.
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    Originally Posted by EdwardTheGreat View Post
    Really? Do you honestly feel that the "majority" of people around you every day would snatch your wallet from you, or physically harm you if there was no law? Would you do those things if it wasn't for your faith or local law enforcement LOL?!? It is sad to think so poorly of the people we live with...I hope you just didn't think that statement through before you typed it out.
    My experience with man's wretchedness lends me to believe that people are horrible. So yea. I meant it. But whatever yea..
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    Originally Posted by MuzzieChik786 View Post
    Fair enough. YOU may not do those things because you just won't. But majority of people won't do those things for fear of the law.
    lol No. That"s just silly. Most people don't do those kinds of things because of empathy.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron

    How/why do you think those laws where created in the first place? lol
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    Originally Posted by Jesse_l_g View Post
    lol No. That"s just silly. Most people don't do those kinds of things because of empathy.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron

    How/why do you think those laws where created in the first place? lol
    No. Their roots are in religious belief.
    At least that's what I think as a theist.

    Ok @ empathy. Again, I don't agree, but cool beans.
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    My experience with man's wretchedness lends me to believe that people are horrible. So yea. I meant it. But whatever yea..
    Unfortunately that is the same reasoning that leads to all the muslim hate here (myself included)...through the wretched behaviour of the muslims who do wretched things. That has turned into negativity towards all muslims...don't make the same mistake with all people due to the wretched ones.

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    Originally Posted by MuzzieChik786 View Post
    My experience with man's wretchedness lends me to believe that people are horrible. So yea. I meant it. But whatever yea..
    That is YOUR belief system. Realistically there is only a very very small percent of people who are sociopaths. However if you walk around thinking people in general are horrible that's what you are going to see.
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    Originally Posted by MuzzieChik786 View Post
    Ok @ empathy. Again, I don't agree, but cool beans.
    What exactly don't you agree with? Are you denying most people experience empathy or the existence of Mirror neurons?

    Do you experience empathy?
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    Originally Posted by EdwardTheGreat View Post
    Unfortunately that is the same reasoning that leads to all the muslim hate here (myself included)...through the wretched behaviour of the muslims who do wretched things. That has turned into negativity towards all muslims...don't make the same mistake with all people due to the wretched ones.

    Wrong is wrong
    What does being Muslim or not have to do with this? O_o


    Originally Posted by Jesse_l_g View Post
    What exactly don't you agree with?
    That fear is necessary for society to stay on the right path. Doesn't matter what they're fearing.

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    Are you denying most people experience empathy or the existence of Mirror neurons?
    Dunno about mirror neurons, but yes. Most people lack empathy towards strangers. Especially in today's world.

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    Do you experience empathy?
    Don't worry about what I experience. That's beside the point and I'm a bit of a lost cause.
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    What does being Muslim or not have to do with this? O_o
    Just an example of the same unjustified negativity towards others based on the actions of SOME, not all.

    I could have referenced asian hate instead...wasn't trying to infer anything based on your beliefs specifically.
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    You can always count on the Abrahamic religions to instill a sense of love for and pride in the human race among its followers, what with their dogma about how we're all ultimately sinful, unworthy creatures who are an affront to God and, without intervention, are destined for eternal punishment just by virtue of being people alone.
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    Originally Posted by TheJimmyRustler View Post
    are destined for eternal punishment just by virtue of being people alone.
    ...who were created this way by god. It's genius.
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    Originally Posted by TheJimmyRustler View Post
    You can always count on the Abrahamic religions to instill a sense of love for and pride in the human race among its followers, what with their dogma about how we're all ultimately sinful, unworthy creatures who are an affront to God and, without intervention, are destined for eternal punishment just by virtue of being people alone.
    Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins. Ecclesiastes 7:20
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    Originally Posted by WarrNation View Post
    Indeed, there is no one on earth who is righteous, no one who does what is right and never sins. Ecclesiastes 7:20
    Because god created sinners. I guess nobody's perfect, even him.
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    Oh didn't you hear the news? Hell is a tangible place that exists very close to us according to this aerospace engineer (who is conveniently writing a book about it):

    http://www.vice.com/read/a-former-ae...ource=vicefbus
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    Originally Posted by EdwardTheGreat View Post
    Because god created sinners. I guess nobody's perfect, even him.
    See, this only have I found, that God has made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. Ecclesiastes 7:29
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    Originally Posted by WarrNation View Post
    See, this only have I found, that God has made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions. Ecclesiastes 7:29
    God is a neckbeard ******* slacker in the grand scheme of the universe and should be fired for building faulty parts.

    Or at least a written warning.
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    Originally Posted by MuzzieChik786 View Post
    What makes you think hell is eternal? Except for the select few?



    Can you explain the bolded bit please? Who defines what is and isn't a meaningful existence? I don't drink alcohol or go "clubbing" on the weekends. Does that mean I'm living a meaningless life?

    I'm confused.
    It's complicated. Essentially you're living this life to avoid an eternal torture pit. You are obeying out of fear . Hell is an impossible concept that no one could rationally ever commit themselves to . No one , no matter which alternative , would EVER choose Hell. Therefore, the arbitrariness of the decision because there is no decision. You follow God because the other choice is impossible. Hence meaningless existence .
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    Originally Posted by EdwardTheGreat View Post
    God is a neckbeard ******* slacker in the grand scheme of the universe and should be fired for building faulty parts.

    Or at least a written warning.
    Are the insults really necessary?
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