Phil heath | mike rashid | success

[AdamantiumYoke]

[jrhodez]

Phils shirt.. "Phil Knows"

smh, are u ****tin me?

every time he gets douchier to me lolol

[endurancell]

Phils shirt.. "Phil Knows"

smh, are u ****tin me?

every time he gets douchier to me lolol

Delusions of grandeur

[Got_tickets]

Phils shirt.. "Phil Knows"

smh, are u ****tin me?

every time he gets douchier to me lolol

This is the man that knows.

[Meshuggah]

Phil is completely obsessed with himself. It's like he thinks he's Michael Jordan but when he tries to be "confident" like MJ he just comes across like a douche.

[RoroCwalker]

Phils shirt.. "Phil Knows"

smh, are u ****tin me?

every time he gets douchier to me lolol

What does "Phil Knows" mean?

Also, what's that on the guy's arm? Looks too thick to be a tattoo. (or is it an illusion?)

[Unbiasedfan]

What does "Phil Knows" mean?

Also, what's that on the guy's arm? Looks too thick to be a tattoo. (or is it an illusion?)

I guess

[flangmasterj]

What does "Phil Knows" mean?

Line of Nike shirts.






Oh and.....

[Got_tickets]

What does "Phil Knows" mean?

Parody of that advert about Bo Jackson

If you don't know who he is watch this he's arguably the goat athlete

[letsthrive]

Delusions of grandeur

How so?

[masthead716]

What does "Phil Knows" mean?

Also, what's that on the guy's arm? Looks too thick to be a tattoo. (or is it an illusion?)

It's a brand.

[mike8190]

I don't think it's that he sounds douchey to me. He's clearly successful and at the top of bodybuilding no one is arguing that. But it's like he's still got something to prove (but being mr o you really don't..).I just don't feel the passion behind his words tbh. Not that he's not passionate about what he does. It's like he tries too hard to be motivational. Like ronnie wasn't the best verbal articulator but when you watch him in the gym it gets you hyped. I just don't get that with fill. Even dexter, not like his training is particularly exciting, or he is an extrovert and expresses himself greatly, but he's just a real dude. Kai might be a little out there at times but i still get the feeling he's a pretty real dude. Says and does what he wants. Phil plays by the books and does what people expect him to do. He's an "ambassador for the sport". I just think he gives a fuk. Ironic DMX is playing thru the video, someone who clearly doesn't give a fuk and is who he is. Long live real legends like dmx. When all is said and done Phil is just another statistic (#13). Unless he evolves past bodybuilding like arnold what mark did he truly leave on this world. Kai doesn't have to be mr o. His physique and process speaks for itself imo. Guys like kai and dmx will always be grinding no matter if anyone's looking.

[letsthrive]

When all is said and done Phil is just another statistic (#13). Unless he evolves past bodybuilding like arnold what mark did he truly leave on this world. Kai doesn't have to be mr o. His physique and process speaks for itself imo. Guys like kai and dmx will always be grinding no matter if anyone's looking.

Phil Heath will go down as the second best bodybuilder of all time, IMO.
I am curious though, what exactly does this mean? (in reference to Kai)
"Guys like kai and dmx will always be grinding no matter if anyone's looking."

[MrDeafMuscle]

It's a brand.

If you want to get fancy, it is called scarification.

[RoroCwalker]

Thanks for the replies.

[T3mpest]

Phil Heath will go down as the second best bodybuilder of all time, IMO.
I am curious though, what exactly does this mean? (in reference to Kai)
"Guys like kai and dmx will always be grinding no matter if anyone's looking."

He means kai would bodybuilding even if no one cares about him and gave him any recognition. Kai does it because he loves the sport and wants to achieve his dream physique. He likes to push himself and bodybuilding saved him from a rough childhood.

Phil got into it when he realized he was too short to go pro in bball, but noticed he gained muscle better than the other guys on the team lol. Phil wouldn't do this if it wasn't for money and sponsors and being a in bbing makes up for a lack of a nba career.

Phil is insanely gifted and very competitive and while I'm sure he appreciates the sport, he isn't driven like some guys are. Cedric and kai both for example were into bbing at a young age, this is what they wanted to do.

[letsthrive]

He means kai would bodybuilding even if no one cares about him and gave him any recognition. Kai does it because he loves the sport and wants to achieve his dream physique. He likes to push himself and bodybuilding saved him from a rough childhood.

Phil got into it when he realized he was too short to go pro in bball, but noticed he gained muscle better than the other guys on the team lol. Phil wouldn't do this if it wasn't for money and sponsors and being a in bbing makes up for a lack of a nba career.

Phil is insanely gifted and very competitive and while I'm sure he appreciates the sport, he isn't driven like some guys are. Cedric and kai both for example were into bbing at a young age, this is what they wanted to do.

I can partly see what he meant.

However I don't see how you can say those last few sentences so definitively. It is still creating a hypothetical situation with your best guess on a stranger's personality who you don't actually know (aside from the image they portray on social media).

"He isn't driven like some guys are. Cedric and kai both for example were into bbing at a young age, this is what they wanted to do."

I fundamentally disagree with that. Phil, in my very limited knowledge, is in my opinion far more driven than either of the athletes you mentioned. In regards to bodybuilding.
It comes down to how do you define 'driven'. In this context I personally define it as how you show up to a bodybuilding contest, not what you choose to post on ********/Instagram and not what videos you choose to shoot and upload to YouTube.

In that regard, Phil is extremely 'driven'. Barring 2014 Prejudging, he has consistently showed up in spectacular shape, going back to his first few shows. Now sure some of that is genetic, but the large majority of what goes into a prep is not.

[Unbiasedfan]

I can partly see what he meant.

However I don't see how you can say those last few sentences so definitively. It is still creating a hypothetical situation with your best guess on a stranger's personality who you don't actually know (aside from the image they portray on social media).

"He isn't driven like some guys are. Cedric and kai both for example were into bbing at a young age, this is what they wanted to do."

I fundamentally disagree with that. Phil, in my very limited knowledge, is in my opinion far more driven than either of the athletes you mentioned. In regards to bodybuilding.
It comes down to how do you define 'driven'. In this context I personally define it as how you show up to a bodybuilding contest, not what you choose to post on ********/Instagram and not what videos you choose to shoot and upload to YouTube.

In that regard, Phil is extremely 'driven'. Barring 2014 Prejudging, he has consistently showed up in spectacular shape, going back to his first few shows. Now sure some of that is genetic, but the large majority of what goes into a prep is not.

The fact that since he first started competing, he has been in great condition points to it being another one of his genetic advantages. However, you can't possibly say he isn't driven more or less than any other pro, we can't know. What we do know is that he does what he has to do (condition wise) much more efficiently the vast majority of all pros that ever lived.

[letsthrive]

The fact that since he first started competing, he has been in great condition points to it being another one of his genetic advantages. However, you can't possibly say he isn't driven more or less than any other pro, we can't know. What we do know is that he does what he has to do (condition wise) much more efficiently the vast majority of all pros that ever lived.

How so? Perhaps Heath took the time and actually did his research? His first ever show though he did not show up in great condition, but from the start of his pro career to 2013 he almost never disappointed.

There is a genetic aspect to condition, but it doesn't get you into the shape that he has consistently got to. IMO.

[Unbiasedfan]

How so? Perhaps Heath took the time and actually did his research? His first ever show though he did not show up in great condition, but from the start of his pro career to 2013 he almost never disappointed.

There is a genetic aspect to condition, but it doesn't get you into the shape that he has consistently got to. IMO.

Because where most people take years and years to peak, he does it consistently, in every contest i have seen of him, aside from 2009. We know this is an obsessive sport and that there are plenty of people willing to do whatever it takes, but we don't see almost anyone in the pro ranks peaking as he consistently does. Logic would dictate that either he knows more/works more or he is genetically prone to the perfect combo of fullness and condition. I find the first unlikely, and therefore it points, to me obviously, to the 2nd.

No, but maybe he can get to that shape with the same amount of work others do, but with less impressive results, if he is genetically gifted in that department. Speculation though, as was your argument that because he is in shape, he is more driven. We don't know.

[letsthrive]

Because where most people take years and years to peak, he does it consistently, in every contest i have seen of him, aside from 2009. We know this is an obsessive sport and that there are plenty of people willing to do whatever it takes, but we don't see almost anyone in the pro ranks peaking as he consistently does. Logic would dictate that either he knows more/works more or he is genetically prone to the perfect combo of fullness and condition. I find the first unlikely, and therefore it points, to me obviously, to the 2nd.

No, but maybe he can get to that shape with the same amount of work others do, but with less impressive results, if he is genetically gifted in that department. Speculation though, as was your argument that because he is in shape, he is more driven. We don't know.

Why is the first unlikely? I fail to see how any genetic difference can possibly get a person to that level of condition, any specifics of prior examples we could discuss?

[Unbiasedfan]

Why is the first unlikely? I fail to see how any genetic difference can possibly get a person to that level of condition, any specifics of prior examples we could discuss?

You can't? losing fat easier, retaining less water...?, response to drugs they use to get that dry? less side effects from the drugs, which lets them use more? yadayada The genetic rarity however is getting to that level of condition while being full.

"Knows more" because it is absolutely unlikely that he would know more when he turned pro then others would after their entire careers, contacting with all sorts of prep coaches and other competitors, etc. "works more", again unlikely, since we are talking about a sport that can be characterized by obsessive personalities. We don't know his diet, and how well he follows it, but we know how he trains, and i think we can extrapolate. I don't agree with the talentvs hard work nonsense, but i would assume he does what others do, but with better results...which points to genetics.

[letsthrive]

You can't? losing fat easier, retaining less water...? The genetic rarity however is getting to that level of condition while being full.

Oh I don't deny that, but Heath has the best conditioning of any athlete competing right now (I believe). Retaining less water and losing fat easier doesn't, to me, directly translate to his ridiculous condition.

"Knows more" because it is absolutely unlikely that he would know more when he turned pro then others would after their entire careers, contacting with all sorts of prep coaches and other competitors, etc. "works more", again unlikely, since we are talking about a sport that can be characterized by obsessive personalities. We don't know his diet, and how well he follows it, but we know how he trains, and i think we can extrapolate.

From what I've observed IFBB pro's and IFBB pro's prep coaches aren't exactly the most knowledgeable or scientifically literate folks out there. Even the most basic nutrition principles are not followed by any of the top coaches, from what I've seen.

don't agree with the talentvs hard work nonsense, but i would assume he does what others do, but with better results...which points to genetics.

That is a false assumption, I think. I do not believe a persons ability to periodically lose fat to be akin to say muscle attachments, muscle fullness or bone structure. Things which you physiologically can not change.
Whereas the amount of fat & water which you have on your body can be manipulated through a caloric deficit and 'supplements'.

Also 'will power', however you/I choose to define that, plays a part. Although that might be a discussion for another day

[AdamantiumYoke]

That is a false assumption, I think. I do not believe a persons ability to periodically lose fat to be akin to say muscle attachments, muscle fullness or bone structure. Things which you physiologically can not change.
Whereas the amount of fat & water which you have on your body can be manipulated through a caloric deficit and 'supplements'.

Also 'will power', however you/I choose to define that, plays a part. Although that might be a discussion for another day

He is actually right at this. The rate n amount of fatloss does depend on the genetic buildup. Most common example is myostatin levels in an individual. This is genetic or you can say exists innately. A person with myostatin deficiency has easier time gaining muscle and losing fat as compared to an average person for eg. Ronnie Coleman This all can also be explained technically if you are interested.
At the elite of the elite level, genetics become a very very strong part of equation.

[Unbiasedfan]

Oh I don't deny that, but Heath has the best conditioning of any athlete competing right now (I believe). Retaining less water and losing fat easier doesn't, to me, directly translate to his ridiculous condition.




From what I've observed IFBB pro's and IFBB pro's prep coaches aren't exactly the most knowledgeable or scientifically literate folks out there. Even the most basic nutrition principles are not followed by any of the top coaches, from what I've seen.



That is a false assumption, I think. I do not believe a persons ability to periodically lose fat to be akin to say muscle attachments, muscle fullness or bone structure. Things which you physiologically can not change.
Whereas the amount of fat & water which you have on your body can be manipulated through a caloric deficit and 'supplements'.

Also 'will power', however you/I choose to define that, plays a part. Although that might be a discussion for another day

Phil doesn't have the best conditioning of any athlete, since there are plenty of athletes year round that achieve the paper thin skin.

If retaining less water and losing fat easier doesn't translate to achieving a look that is characterized by having no water or fat i don't know what does. I mean seriously? also i edited the post to account for other stuff.

Yes, and phil is prepped by one of those coaches, so... You think phil is then? lol, cmon.

To the last sentence, in which you say my assumption is wrong, i will simply paraphrase the man himself:

Talent beats hard work when it works hard, or something that translated the same meaning.

[letsthrive]

He is actually right at this. The rate n amount of fatloss does depend on the genetic buildup. Most common example is myostatin levels in an individual. This is genetic or you can say exists innately. A person with myostatin deficiency has easier time gaining muscle and losing fat as compared to an average person for eg. Ronnie Coleman This all can also be explained technically if you are interested.
At the elite of the elite level, genetically become a very very strong part of equation.

I am aware of the difference in fat loss, but I do not believe genetics to be the defining factor.

Why was Ronnie not as lean in say, '94, than '98/'99? His genetics did not change, his 'supplement' protocol and food intake most certainly did. External variables improved his condition.

I do not believe there is a genetic wall which prevents other athletes from achieving the same condition as Phil, although there is a definite wall which prevents anyone other than Phil from having the same fullness, muscle attachments and bone structure. I consider those static variables.

Phil may find it easier to get to that level, but him having it easier doesn't, to me, translate to it being impossible for others to get there.

[Unbiasedfan]

Phil may find it easier to get to that level, but him having it easier doesn't, to me, translate to it being impossible for others to get there.

Nobody said it was, you are agreeing with me. All i said is it was easier, because he has better genetics.

Ronnie's genetics didn't change, but they got a role, with the new drugs/ greater amount of the same drugs he took in 98/99, that they didn't have before, so obviously genetics were still a deciding factor.

[letsthrive]

Phil doesn't have the best conditioning of any athlete, since there are plenty of athletes year round that achieve the paper thin skin.

Which other IFBB Pro, currently competing, has superior conditioning to Phil?

If retaining less water and losing fat easier doesn't translate to achieving a look that is characterized by having no water or fat i don't know what does. I mean seriously? also i edited the post to account for other stuff.

"Phil may find it easier to get to that level, but him having it easier doesn't, to me, translate to it being impossible for others to get there."

To the last sentence, in which you say my assumption is wrong, i will simply paraphrase the man himself:

Talent beats hard work when it works hard, or something that translated the same meaning.

I am referencing conditioning, one aspect in bodybuilding (or I'd like to believe so). Hamdullah Aykutlu might be as lean as Phil, but that doesn't mean that he is going to beat him.

[Unbiasedfan]

Nobody has better condition then phil, go read what i said. Phil is as conditioned as possible, and so are various others (i was talking athletes, because that was what you said, but now its IFBB pros). As an example: branch warren, DJ, josé raymond, eduardo correa.

You never approached the supplements discussion in which genetics also plays a BIG role. What if other bodybuilders can't take as much "natural diuretics" as phil, because their genetics determine that they would have unbearable side effects? what if by taking said substances, they will lose fullness while phil's body is able to maintain it?

[TouaregV8]

Phil may know, but 99.9% of the population doesn't "know" him.