Ag business isn't going anywhere but it has been hit pretty hard here in CA. Past several years they've had signs all up and down the valley about how it's a dust bowl because Los Angeles is stealing everyone's water. They even ran a bunch of tractors onto the highway and stopped the traffic a couple times as a form of protest. Barely even made the news. Southern California population and SF politics are killing this state.
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03-13-2015, 06:43 PM #91Finally green! Green green greeeeeeeeen!
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03-13-2015, 06:58 PM #94
http://www.in.gov/dnr/water/5216.htm
Great lakes brahs need not worry, the Great Lakes Compact would require every state involved + 2 Canadian Provinces to agree to selling off any water.
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03-13-2015, 07:20 PM #102
my mind is blown at the fact that people think the central valley is a desert. And we are in a drought because it hasnt legit rain or snowed in over 3 straight years. Ski resorts are going to shut down or repurpose, people that dont yse city water via wells are having brown water come in their sinks. If that northeast snow storm happened over here it would solve the problem almost oveenight but the elnino or nina that was suppose to happen had a historically low rain
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03-13-2015, 07:36 PM #104
It's simple.
Demand substantially outweighs supply. And yea, the person who mentioned illegals is kinda on point. But it's not because they're illegal and they don't deserve resources. It's just a matter of too many people = too little water. Obviously, no hate on illegals - they take a lot of jobs that we would never do. Difficult situation
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03-13-2015, 07:50 PM #107
Some points I want to make.
1. Growing "Amazing California Oranges" in the desert is extremely inefficient use of water.
2. We have the capability to Desalinate Ocean Water and turn into fresh water.
3. We have never made Desalination large enough to feed an entire city, let alone a state because it's very expensive.
4. California Liberals, for being so "in tune" with nature doesn't know the first the about their ecosystem.
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03-13-2015, 07:57 PM #110
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If I recall correctly, tree rings have shown that California has long episodes of drought, and that the 19th-20th century was a remarkably wet period for the region. If things return to the typical dryness of the region, the state is in for a much more painful future. And it'll only get worse as the world population continues to grow. That's why me and my gf are planning on getting the heck out of here as soon as we are capable to.
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03-13-2015, 08:00 PM #112
I just moved to the Central Valley a few months ago for work in the oilfields. This place is the biggest poverty chithole I've ever seen and I've been to alot of places around the US and World. It really is Appalachia of the West and many of the counties inside the SAn Joaquin Valley have some of the highest poverty rates in the copuntry.
That is because so many of these tiny towns rely so heavily on agriculture and only agriculture (some have prisons and oilfields for jobs but this is few and far between compared to ag)
I honestly don't know how anyone didn't see this coming 50 years ago when they decided to grow almonds in a place that gets like zero rain for 8 months. I want to have sympathy for the people here for the drought but they grow such water intensive crops and then complain when there is a drought that the government is hoarding all the water and they can't pursue their business goals. Why not just grow crops that are better suited for the climate?
It doesn't help either when you have to share your water with Southern California either.SF Giants 2010 and 2012 World Champions
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03-13-2015, 08:20 PM #116
Agriculture uses 70%+ of the states water. I'm not knocking agriculture, as it's obviously very important, but producing the immense amount they do now vs. in the past in addition to exceptional drought for multiple years isn't going to be sustainable unless the rainfall/snowpack situation improves dramatically. Planting less water intensive crops (i.e. - something other than almonds and rice) would make a much bigger dent than rationing water for residential purposes.
http://www.motherjones.com/environme...onds-water-use <--- regarding the almond boom.
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03-13-2015, 08:39 PM #120
The chart was from a UCLA article, not the motherjones article. I checked their sources and it does appear to be pretty dated (2005), but i doubt 10 years would shift it by 30 percent. They sourced the figure from the California government.
http://www.environment.ucla.edu/repo...ticle4870.html
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