Evan and Ced - I think we've seen the best of them

[chrismac365]

One thing about both Evan and Cedrick that has kept fans interested is that we all think there is so much potential for each of them.

Not to disrespect either, but each has seemed to bring about the same quality package to the stage time after time, without much sign of improvement. Their placing have reflected this as well.

I think Im ready to accept them as a solid Tier II pro and not expect anything more from either.

[RobberBaron13]

I wouldnt write off Cedric just yet.He still has time to improve, but not a lot.
But Evan will never challenge the big boys imo.

[GBLynden]

I thought Evan did a good job holding is own, but I do agree that he will likely never win the O or the Arnold. You just never know though....

[Exane]

If I had to guess, they both probably need to up their supplement game but are probably also unwilling to do so. Both look fantastic, imo.

[stealth_swimmer]

I wouldnt write off Cedric just yet.He still has time to improve, but not a lot.
But Evan will never challenge the big boys imo.

Agreed. Evan could always shock us...but he's had a bunch of chances and still hasn't done it.

If I had to guess, they both probably need to up their supplement game but are probably also unwilling to do so. Both look fantastic, imo.

Cedric could improve a lot if he simply brought up his legs, and both obviously need better conditioning. Can't blame it all on supplementation. There are naturals who compete absolutely shredded.

[NVious]

Completely different bodybuilders.

One at 100% on could push Heath, the other at 100% on might still be out of the top 6 at the O.

[flangmasterj]

If Branch can win the Arnold and get second at the Olympia then counting Cedric out is ludicrous. If the judges were to place athletes fairly then their would be none of this "tier II" talk about Cedric.

[altark123]

Agreed. Evan could always shock us...but he's had a bunch of chances and still hasn't done it.




Cedric could improve a lot if he simply brought up his legs, and both obviously need better conditioning. Can't blame it all on supplementation. There are naturals who compete absolutely shredded.

Cedric carries a ton of mass on his legs, they are in almost perfect balance with his upper body. They are never going to be Ramy-like but they more than hold their own.

[purdey]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Evan has beaten former Mr.O, Dex before. The only thing holding Evan back at this stage is his lack of conditioning. I would have a conditioned Evan winning the 2015 Arnold.

Ced should have won.

[BartPimpson]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Evan has beaten former Mr.O, Dex before.

So did Ben Pakulski. Hard to see that happening again - Dex has really stepped up his game in the last few years.

[pyrolee]

Evan has some biomechanical problems due to his glutes being inhibited (not firing)...it can be seen through his poor soleus and lat development and squat form...these muscles simply aren't activating...I'd recommend he get these problems fixed asap and then his physique will start to fill in in key areas.

Cedric has no calves and needs better conditioning.

[WizardsOfAus]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure Evan has beaten former Mr.O, Dex before. The only thing holding Evan back at this stage is his lack of conditioning. I would have a conditioned Evan winning the 2015 Arnold.

Ced should have won.

LMAO. No and no.

Evan had great conditioning at the 2015 AC and he placed 5th, so what the hell are you talking about?

Dexter Jackson was the deserving winner of the 2015 AC. Argue otherwise and you're just kidding yourself. I'm not a Dexter fan at all and even I can accept that he was the most complete, most symmetrical, most shredded, most polished bodybuilder on the stage.

You can argue for Ced placing above Compton (I think it was very close between those two), but anything beyond that is sheer nonsense.

[Nep2une]

With Ced`s age and occupation he`s going to have trouble ever making it in the top 6 at an Olympia. Right now we have 1) Phil 2) Kai 3) Wolf 4) Rhoden 5) Ramy 6) Dexter 7) Compton 8) ** Branch all ahead of Ced and this is with Ced bringing the best we`ve seen of him in a while.

He either loses size & fullness to come in lean ( especially in the legs )
Or he isn`t lean enough and it looks worse then it really is because like Kai, Ced`s abs come in last. Many times Ced will bring nice hams and glutes with a washed out midsection.

You can`t be 6"2 and barely outsize or get outsized by guys at 5"6 and 5"7, it`s a bad look. Had a top form Wolf been in the line up he would have made Ced look small even more than Compton was outsizing him.

The (crazy) Ced hype is over & it was over before thislast show, He isn`t going to swoop in and win an Olympia at this point, even if he came in huge with last saturdays conditioning at a Olympia, he wouldn`t be given 1st place, he make the top 6 and then he`d have to repeat again or be even better for the next Olympia to even have a chance at 1st place.
I love his physique but I just don`t see it happening.

With all that said, he makes every show more exciting.

[Nep2une]

Evan doesn`t have the structure ( legs, waist size, long torso ) to win an Olympia in my opinion. If he does the Olympia this year he will have trouble even making the top 10. 1) Phil 2)Kai 3) Wolf 4) Rhoden 5) Dex 6) Ramy 7)**Branch 8) Compton 9) Ced from here we have Victor, Morel, Roelly, Curry, *Beyeke, for him to battle with.

( The 1-9 placings aren`t necessarily in any particular order)

[purdey]

LMAO. No and no.

Evan had great conditioning at the 2015 AC and he placed 5th, so what the hell are you talking about?

Dexter Jackson was the deserving winner of the 2015 AC. Argue otherwise and you're just kidding yourself. I'm not a Dexter fan at all and even I can accept that he was the most complete, most symmetrical, most shredded, most polished bodybuilder on the stage.


You can argue for Dexter placing above Compton (I think it was very close between those two), but anything beyond that is sheer nonsense.

In the footage I saw, Evan was well off.

Cedric is bigger, has better proportions, his conditioning was good enough and he is a hell of a lot more pleasing to the eye. His total package looked better than all the other competitors total packages.

[WizardsOfAus]

In the footage I saw, Evan was well off.

Cedric is bigger, has better proportions, his conditioning was good enough and he is a hell of a lot more pleasing to the eye. His total package looked better than all the other competitors total packages.

If shows were judged on who is the most "pleasing to the eye" then branch warren would probably place last. But they aren't, they're judged against a set of criteria and according to those criteria, dexter was the clear no. 1.

[Nep2une]

In the footage I saw, Evan was well off.

Cedric is bigger, has better proportions, his conditioning was good enough and he is a hell of a lot more pleasing to the eye. His total package looked better than all the other competitors total packages.

I disagree with your opinion,
1) He had the worst conditioning of the top 4
2) His leg size was noticeably down and his posing made his legs look even smaller
3)He won both back poses and that`s it.
4) He was barely outsizing Dexter who is about 8 or 9 inches shorter and he was outsized by Compton who is about 8 inches shorter and outconditioned by both.....You can`t win in those circumstances.

People can argue Ced`s structure all they want and in the case of Branch Warren rightfully so, but Dex and Compton have extremely excellent structures also.

[Nep2une]

Anyone know if Aceto made any post Arnold comments ?

[TheIronAsylum]

agreed on evan but not Cedric


maybe if evan switched some stuff up idk i like evan and his approach wish prime would have put more videos of him up

[AdamantiumYoke]

Anyone know if Aceto made any post Arnold comments ?

Aceto says that he would have place him 4th. This is not a grainyness competition, and in that too jose was more grainy AND had more separation. Branch should not have been awarded like this [grainyness without separation]

And they discuss about others'placings too.

[weltweitefurcht]

I actually don't think Evan has as much potential as people like to say..

His torso is not that pleasing, so his front double bi isn't so good. His muscle separation isn't very good either, and that isn't a body fat issue. His muscles don't have that pop. Basically the way his torso is and lack of separation, I don't see those things improving, and it wouldn't be hallmark of a Mr. Olympia.

[Exane]

Cedric could improve a lot if he simply brought up his legs, and both obviously need better conditioning. Can't blame it all on supplementation. There are naturals who compete absolutely shredded.

I wasnt talking about conditioning actually, I was referring to both of their legs. Both are considered undersized for their frames as far as their legs and I have always attributed crazy leg development to heavy supplement use. Not really sure if there is any real correlation but both are suspected to be against certain things and both have "undersized" legs. Just my thoughts.

Legs that we see today didn't exist back when certain things weren't being used. Thats all.

[porrapaulao]

The "it seems like he's brought up his chest and back" joke still works lol

[RobberBaron13]

I wasnt talking about conditioning actually, I was referring to both of their legs. Both are considered undersized for their frames as far as their legs and I have always attributed crazy leg development to heavy supplement use. Not really sure if there is any real correlation but both are suspected to be against certain things and both have "undersized" legs. Just my thoughts.

Legs that we see today didn't exist back when certain things weren't being used. Thats all.

Guess you never saw Platz or Oliva, legs beyond the 30 inch mark in the 70s, with no "heavy supplement use".

[Exane]

Guess you never saw Platz or Oliva, legs beyond the 30 inch mark in the 70s, with no "heavy supplement use".

They would be considered exceptions, outliers, in my theory. Lol at never seeing Platz or Oliva... monica pls.

[BOUNTYHUNTERMK2]

If Branch can win the Arnold and get second at the Olympia then counting Cedric out is ludicrous. If the judges were to place athletes fairly then their would be none of this "tier II" talk about Cedric.

^^^^This.

[warbird00]

I remember a few years ago when people were saying Evan could win a Mr. O one day

loled then, loled now.

[MaKaiser]

With Ced`s age and occupation he`s going to have trouble ever making it in the top 6 at an Olympia.

He works a more desk orientated job in the army now.

The only thing holding Ced back imo is leg mass and overall thickness.

Not that he hasn't got those things in spades already, just not enough of them to challenge for the title anytime soon.

As for his age...well Dex is showing us just how irrelevant that can be with certain bodybuilders.

Regardless of any of that I'm in agreement with everyone else, phenomenal bodybuilder and a real breath of fresh air compared to what we get these days, both in physique and attitude.

[AniMaLizTik]

I think both of them keep their health as somewhat of a priority. The way these contests are judged, it's very difficult to place well and be remotely healthy, imo.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

If Lionel Beyeke can nail it once, so can anyone. if Cedric can nail it once maybe he'll win something big.