Aware Me on This: Supporting Less Than Honest Companies

[Ruckus91]

DGarcia, you would be surprised how many owners have checkered pasts.



To me, that doesn't make a bit of difference. I myself have a less than savory past.

I don't think it makes a big difference for most - maybe a slight preference all things being equal, but all things are never equal and given a quality product at a price I can stomach I don't think the past of an owner is going to dissuade me.

My memory of the Trutein business, although it has been a long time now, was that there was some sort of rubber particle in a tub and the way the owner and reps responded to being called out about it was pretty bad. Don't really know what came of that except that it's no longer recommended like it was before that happened.

[kissdadookie]

Ah but you said "GRASS FINISHED".



Now that is beef I will buy. Taste of grass fed with some marbling.


Complete grass fed. No thanks.

I believe that is what they call grass fed and grain finished beef :P

[Msistine]

That's my point. I've known lots of people who made mistakes in the past and got through it (myself included). Why should I judge a person for past mistakes when they have no bearing on what is happening now?

Before someone says it (because I'm sure they will) - Yes, there are exceptions.

The way you phrased it is much better. But you are right, but in the grand scheme of things, 2-3 grams off for a protein powder is not going to break someones gains. Esp someone who has no desire to step on stage.

Not talking about 1, 2, tree fiddy grams of protein powder. Talking bout 20.

Not making points about the owner's personal past either - that's a completely separate argument. Different than being deceptive with consumers who support/buy your products.

[AfroPope]

PROnom was a protein done right, protein content was legit and therefore the price was appropriate. But it cant compete with poor proteins on BOGO because people see bogo and throw money at it regardless of quality.

The proteins that are on BOGO all the time basically have their normal price doubled for what you get, so when they go on BOGO you get what you pay for....problem is people rush to buy because they think they are getting a deal.

Yeah, I remember when a number of brands that had poor reputations beforehand started doing bigger sales and slowly but surely started creeping up on lists of "recommended products" without changing anything.

See and I would like to know this kind of thing but you reps are punished for speaking your minds and awaring others of these shady/potentially dangerous situations like this. Wish this was the mid 2000's where reps were allowed to speak their minds and aware members of these terrible practices.

I've recently dug through some older posts from this forum and this place used to be ****in' RUTHLESS. I remember an MHP rep coming in here and fielding questions about Myo-X and people just ripped into him with "okay but how does the specific compound effect serum levels" and "does this work without any sort of hormone demodulation" and like MAD scientific stuff. Nowadays the whole forum is just reps pimping their products and dudes who don't lift high-fiving each other for how many supplements they can afford to buy.

That's my point. I've known lots of people who made mistakes in the past and got through it (myself included). Why should I judge a person for past mistakes when they have no bearing on what is happening now?

Before someone says it (because I'm sure they will) - Yes, there are exceptions.

I'll be the one to say it.

I think it depends on how checkered the past is. For example, there have been people behind companies that made decent products who had some shady pasts but that had nothing to do with their supplements. Then again you've got guys like Matt Cahill, who did hard time for mixing DNP and Baking Soda in his kitchen and selling it as a weight loss product, THEN the whole Craze thing AFTER HE GOT OUT OF PRISON, and people STILL buy DS products.

[TMac26]

I believe that is what they call grass fed and grain finished beef :P

Grain finished isn't long enough to allow the marbling to take place, unless the grain is uber caloric.


I much prefer cattle that have been given grain for 6 months, then finished with grass the last 3-4 months of life. The fat deposits are established during the bulk growing part of the cow.

[hellstorm2004]

Ah but you said "GRASS FINISHED".



Now that is beef I will buy. Taste of grass fed with some marbling.


Complete grass fed. No thanks.

Just noticed... 7'1"?? Wow! I am tiny!!!

[TMac26]

My stats and real name are not real.



I don't trust people.

[hellstorm2004]

Lol.. OK!

[TheGilmore]

I've recently dug through some older posts from this forum and this place used to be ****in' RUTHLESS. I remember an MHP rep coming in here and fielding questions about Myo-X and people just ripped into him with "okay but how does the specific compound effect serum levels" and "does this work without any sort of hormone demodulation" and like MAD scientific stuff. Nowadays the whole forum is just reps pimping their products and dudes who don't lift high-fiving each other for how many supplements they can afford to buy.

That's because most of the guys who are intelligent enough to rip something apart are involved with a company now, so forum rules and potential lawsuits are a concern.

[DGarcia519]

I'll be the one to say it.

I think it depends on how checkered the past is. For example, there have been people behind companies that made decent products who had some shady pasts but that had nothing to do with their supplements. Then again you've got guys like Matt Cahill, who did hard time for mixing DNP and Baking Soda in his kitchen and selling it as a weight loss product, THEN the whole Craze thing AFTER HE GOT OUT OF PRISON, and people STILL buy DS products.

Like I said, exceptions
Though I don't think many people were actually upset about the whole Craze thing...except the part where it was discontinued, lol. The first part is definitely sketchy though, and one that I never knew about.

My stats and real name are not real.



I don't trust people.

Smart man.

[RunningTall]

real name are not real.

[powercage]

Ah. I see what you mean now.


The way you phrased it is much better. But you are right, but in the grand scheme of things, 2-3 grams off for a protein powder is not going to break someones gains. Esp someone who has no desire to step on stage.

Yea, the problem is...some claiming 2-3g is more like 10g when tested.


So it's kind of laughable when people use that as a defense.

[TMac26]

Yea, the problem is...some claiming 2-3g is more like 10g when tested.


So it's kind of laughable when people use that as a defense.

oh.


I thought I read some reports that it was only a couple grams (for the main ones)

I would imagine some are much, much worse. Then again. I don't buy that protein. I buy from companies I trust.

[powercage]

oh.


I thought I read some reports that it was only a couple grams (for the main ones)

I would imagine some are much, much worse. Then again. I don't buy that protein. I buy from companies I trust.

Obviously cant comment on which, but Ive seen people defend many on here as "it cant be that much" when in reality it's a lot more than they suspect.

I wouldnt buy one that claims to even spike "only one gram"

[kissdadookie]

Grain finished isn't long enough to allow the marbling to take place, unless the grain is uber caloric.


I much prefer cattle that have been given grain for 6 months, then finished with grass the last 3-4 months of life. The fat deposits are established during the bulk growing part of the cow.

That's actually a thing as well? Learned something

Obviously cant comment on which, but Ive seen people defend many on here as "it cant be that much" when in reality it's a lot more than they suspect.

I wouldnt buy one that claims to even spike "only one gram"

My view has changed on that significantly actually. I've been leaning more towards your sentiments on this subject for awhile now

I've been using just Metabolic Drive and Dymatize Elite Whey and Casein for the most part. Tried out two tubs of the Quest recently, liked those as well and I trust them.

[TMac26]

Obviously cant comment on which, but Ive seen people defend many on here as "it cant be that much" when in reality it's a lot more than they suspect.

I wouldnt buy one that claims to even spike "only one gram"

Agreed.


In my cupboard you will find zero proteins with "amino acid matrix" withing the "protein" parentheses in the ingredient label.

[RunningTall]

Obviously cant comment on which, but Ive seen people defend many on here as "it cant be that much" when in reality it's a lot more than they suspect.

I wouldnt buy one that claims to even spike "only one gram"

"New and Improved! Now with only 1 gram spiked! More protein per scoop!"

[powercage]

My view has changed on that significantly actually. I've been leaning more towards your sentiments on this subject for awhile now

Nice

Agreed.


In my cupboard you will find zero proteins with "amino acid matrix" withing the "protein" parentheses in the ingredient label.

Id rather stick to say an XF that lists specific amino acid content or companies that have third party testing. Anyone could lie on a label, but Dave has never given me a reason to distrust him.


For all the flack ON gets, I have never seen them fail a protein content test. Are they the best tasting? Debatable. But they still arent a terrible purchase.

[TMac26]

Nice



Id rather stick to say an XF that lists specific amino acid content or companies that have third party testing. Anyone could lie on a label, but Dave has never given me a reason to distrust him.


For all the flack ON gets, I have never seen them fail a protein content test. Are they the best tasting? Debatable. But they still arent a terrible purchase.

Agreed on all accounts.


In my cupboard I have XF, Cor-Whey and Whey Smooth.


All backed up with either 3rd party tests on batches or just flat out trust them (XF)

[powercage]

Agreed on all accounts.


In my cupboard I have XF, Cor-Whey and Whey Smooth.


All backed up with either 3rd party tests on batches or just flat out trust them (XF)

Cant fault any of those (and before I open a door I cant close, I wont be commenting on brands in this thread or in PM)

lol

[Msistine]

Obviously cant comment on which, but Ive seen people defend many on here as "it cant be that much" when in reality it's a lot more than they suspect.

I wouldnt buy one that claims to even spike "only one gram"

Well I can and apparently it seems necessary.

MusclePharm Arnold Series Iron Mass label: 40g vs. as tested - 19.4g (link).

Not only this, but after they were called on it they circulate misleading tests. So why the f*** do people still support this company?

I see Reps preach about 3rd party tests turn right around and talk about how much they like combat bars.

[RunningTall]

Well I can and apparently it seems necessary.

MusclePharm Arnold Series Iron Mass label: 40g vs. as tested - 19.4g (link).

Not only this, but after they were called on it they circulate misleading tests. So why the f*** do people still support this company?

I see Reps preach about 3rd party tests turn right around and talk about how much they like combat bars.

Many of the reps also praise MT's platinum line even though Phase 8 has failed tests. There may be tests for the platinum line though, I don't remember.

[dailob]

My stats and real name are not real.



I don't trust people.

is the beard real at least?

[TMac26]

is the beard real at least?

Very real. And bigger than the picture ATM.

[DGarcia519]

Agreed on all accounts.


In my cupboard I have XF, Cor-Whey and Whey Smooth.


All backed up with either 3rd party tests on batches or just flat out trust them (XF)

Whey-Smooth is legit. Need to get some more of that. Just grabbed a 4lb of Beast Whey cause it was on sale, at a store I could get too, and I was right out. No idea of the quality on that one. Normally I've been getting Select, Whey-Smooth, or Whey-HD. Have yet to try XF but here good (amazing?) things. Unfortunately the CDN dollar is still in the ****, so ordering from BB.com has not seemed overly worth while lately. Hoping that will change at least slightly before I need more.

Well I can and apparently it seems necessary.

MusclePharm Arnold Series Iron Mass label: 40g vs. as tested - 19.4g (link).

Not only this, but after they were called on it they circulate misleading tests. So why the f*** do people still support this company?

I see Reps preach about 3rd party tests turn right around and talk about how much they like combat bars.

Not sure about the Serious Mass, but the protein is frequently on BOGO, so there is your answer.

[Posterchild18]

Skimmed the thread, but to address the original point. Human nature has a lot of components, conscience, loyalty, greed, ect. Yes even with me i love the quality of CL, BPI, and Vega, and i will always tote their products, and buy them even when the slopes are slanted against um. No matter what i may say though or what i hold in my heart, its hard to pass up four pounds of Phase 8 for 30 dollars or less. Other companies which have had issues in the past do seem to be making strides in the right direction, partially brought on by the competitive nature of the industry with front-runners like CL and BPI. We get companies like MP beginning to disclose full ingredient profiles like we see in the hardcore series. Perfect? No. But we ARE getting somewhere, even though the rate at which gimmicky ingredients are being tossed about seems to be exponentially increasing. Just like the customers on this site, no company is perfect, they all just fall on different parts of the quality scale.

[TheGilmore]

Well I can and apparently it seems necessary.

MusclePharm Arnold Series Iron Mass label: 40g vs. as tested - 19.4g (link).

Not only this, but after they were called on it they circulate misleading tests. So why the f*** do people still support this company?

I see Reps preach about 3rd party tests turn right around and talk about how much they like combat bars.

I don't trust MusclePharm, but I'd be interested to see whether that lab accidentally tested with 1 scoop instead of 2. I saw that with another test recently, but can't remember who.

[DGarcia519]

Many of the reps also praise MT's platinum line even though Phase 8 has failed tests. There may be tests for the platinum line though, I don't remember.

This. I've even seen MT reps comment on the issues with Phase8...though that doesn't actually mean anything in regards to other lines from that company.

[pu12en12g]

N1ke was a pretty good analogy. .damn

[RunningTall]

This. I've even seen MT reps comment on the issues with Phase8...though that doesn't actually mean anything in regards to other lines from that company.

I asked for tests on their fish oil a while ago. Never got an answer.