PES = USP Labs?

[MillerTime07]

Apparently enough for it to be brought up often.

Yeah it does. The issue is that there has never been a definitive yes or no to the question. Personally, it doesn't matter to me who owns PES, but I can understand customers wanting a definite answer.

[dsuemg]

It matters to me where my money goes.
If ISIS created the worlds best Preworkout would I support them? No, based on the fact that my money is going towards their end game.
No different than a quality company owned by a parent company may use my money to subsidize their less than stellar sister company.
If people want to turn a blind eye to that type of scenario, that's their baby.
Again, I've been more than happy with PES (just opened my deli with 2 bottles of norco and 2 bottles of high vol) was just something that came up in a thread I was reading yesterday and got me curious.
I honestly expected with all the PES rep activity on this forum that I would have more than just Ben blowing up the thread.
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[Big.Jazayrli]

Its possible to be owned by the same person and have two different companies.



Blackstone Labs and Prime Nutrition for example.

IMO, it doesn't diminish from PES in any way if they were owned by the same person as USP.

^^^ This

[sloop]

So Ben is neither confirming nor denying the ownership question, just that he does not know?

Do I have this right?

[dailob]

Yeah it does. The issue is that there has never been a definitive yes or no to the question. Personally, it doesn't matter to me who owns PES, but I can understand customers wanting a definite answer.

Not trying to be cheeky here or derail the thread but I suppose a rep from body nutrition chiming in on a thread topic questioning a company with a shady history is ironic…

[MillerTime07]

Not trying to be cheeky here or derail the thread but I suppose a rep from body nutrition chiming in on a thread topic questioning a company with a shady history is ironic…

I can understand that, but my comment simply meant that I stand by PES. I've been a rep with Body Nutrition since August and have always stayed professional while promoting the brand. Body Nutrition has turned things around, and Lionology and I do our best to portray that.

[rhadam]

Who really care ? that's the important question

Lots of people. USP is a horrendous company that should not be supported, ever. If USP = PES that would give a lot of people on the forums reason to never buy PES again. It's pretty obvious why people care.

As there seems to be no proof either way, people should just get on with their lives and continue to buy PES if they like PES.

[BlackCoffee]

So Ben is neither confirming nor denying the ownership question, just that he does not know?

Do I have this right?

Looks like it. There is no clear, verified "yes" or "no" answer. Which is really what this question is all about. It may be "difficult" to prove if the companies are/aren't officially connected, but it's not as difficult as it's being made out to be.

[carguy123]

A final yes or no would end all of this madness...just sayin

[Msistine]

Don't worry, we don't hold it against you.
We have different premises in different states, different owners and different employees.

Am I missing something?

Ben has said repeatedly that there is no substantive link between PES and USP. Even if there is cooperation / employee relationships, it has been clearly said over and over again they are not the same company. People keep replying that "there's never been a definite answer" - or worse kept up the vapid rumor mongering (i.e. dsuemg) that has made this into a never ending story.

Leave that s*** for high school girls' slumber parties.

[lglesias]

A final yes or no would end all of this madness...just sayin

they're both prolly owned by Jacob, so what, give the guy a break; a second chance if you will. pes & usp totally different companies even though owned by the same person, cy & ben; other pes reps are helpful bros regardless of the company they work for

[Anthony21]

Am I missing something?

Ben has said repeatedly that there is no substantive link between PES and USP. Even if there is cooperation / employee relationships, it has been clearly said over and over again they are not the same company. People keep replying that "there's never been a definite answer" - or worse kept up the vapid rumor mongering (i.e. dsuemg) that has made this into a never ending story.

Leave that s*** for high school girls' slumber parties.

Im curious why would PES want to have a "partnership" with a company like USP who isn't really known for showing the best practices in the industry?

[rhadam]

they're both prolly owned by Jacob, so what, give the guy a break; a second chance if you will. pes & usp totally different companies even though owned by the same person, cy & ben; other pes reps are helpful bros regardless of the company they work for

You're missing the point, which doesn't surprise me since you're red.

[dailob]

A final yes or no would end all of this madness...just sayin

that sounds like what people are saying to whether or not brady had any idea or part of the whole deflate gate lol

[wellingtonJE]

im confused here

[kissdadookie]

im confused here

Success!!!

[xLGx]

All evidence at this point is circumstantial... the only problem is there is LOTS of it.

Form your own conclusions, continue (or not) to buy PES, and move on.

[DGarcia519]

im confused here

People want a 'reason' to justify the PES-hate. At least, that's what I've taken away from this, lol.

[TMac26]

Having had vegemite.



No thanks. Just not a fan of that brewers yeast taste.

[AfroPope]

It seems like there's absolutely no reason to believe that PES and USP are the same company or that PES has any of the same issues that USP has been plagued by, so they'll continue to get my money.

[hamdysayed]

It seems like there's absolutely no reason to believe that PES and USP are the same company or that PES has any of the same issues that USP has been plagued by, so they'll continue to get my money.

^^^
This as
But would be nice if pes shut ppl down n say sup.

[TheGilmore]

ITT: People who will believe the Unicef company car is a Rolls Royce.

[BULLED]

so they'll continue to get my money.

If I was a PES rep I would rep you.

[VicMackey92]

If I was a PES rep I would rep you.

lmao

[bencarpenter]

So Ben is neither confirming nor denying the ownership question, just that he does not know?

Do I have this right?

I have replied to this previously on several occasions.

No, we are not the same company.

If anyone has any further questions please feel free to message me.

/thread

[nics1246]

Perfect way to end it