Jim Jeffries absolutely destroys pro-2nd ammendment *******s

[kusok]

when the consequences of said potentially irresponsible actions are big enough i believe they should be confiscated at the door.

you don't believe this, which is fine.

cya man, gtg

We saw what happened when guns were confiscated at the door in the Batman movie theater shooting. The gunman selected the disarmed movie theater on purpose thou other movie theaters that allowed guns were same or closer distance from him.

These gunmen get guns illegally anyway, and know to select a disarmed target.

[nutsy54]

the day knives, pipes, bats, rocks and fists are as deadly as firearms is the day they also should be controlled in the same manner. this isn't the case though.

So... it's OK that criminals have deadly weapons. As long as they don't have really deadly weapons... while their victims are defenseless pawns?

Sorry, that mindset still makes absolutely no sense.

i'm aware that you're aware that this argument is about risk vs reward
unfortunately you somehow believe the reward is bigger probably due to getting all your info from the nra

It's amazing that you insist on remaining completely ignorant with this topic, while throwing in the snide little insults to hide your lack of facts and evidence.

Meanwhile, "CDC" (Centers for Disease Control) is a US Federal Government Agency, not the NRA: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...rime-deterrent

“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies,” the CDC study, entitled “Priorities For Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” states.

[kusok]

What's also interesting is that this not funny comic performed for the troops, well armed murderers, AND he joked and laughed about how they killed someone from the helicopter right in front of him. And his whole audience laughed and enjoyed as well. Basically he is not anti-gun, he is anti-YOU having a gun, he is all for the ruling class and their servants having guns. He is very much pro gun. Just not for you to have it.

[Chesso95]

So... it's OK that criminals have deadly weapons. As long as they don't have really deadly weapons... while their victims are defenseless pawns?

Sorry, that mindset still makes absolutely no sense.


It's amazing that you insist on remaining completely ignorant with this topic, while throwing in the snide little insults to hide your lack of facts and evidence.

Meanwhile, "CDC" (Centers for Disease Control) is a US Federal Government Agency, not the NRA: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...rime-deterrent

“Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies,” the CDC study, entitled “Priorities For Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence,” states.

So... it's OK that criminals have deadly weapons. As long as they don't have really deadly weapons

yes.

well, yes and no.

the things you listed aren't weapons
knives are made for cooking for example, there is a clear reward

in this case, reward > risk

guns are made for killing (or as jim jeffries puts it, for shooting at targets or hunting)

risk > reward

now you can narrow down stats to prove your point, you can rationalize the usa homocide rate being 6.7x that of where i live etc etc.
but will we ever know what's really the truth considering there are so many factors at play here?


no.

but outside the misc gun crew thread the rest of the civilized world thinks that low violent crime/low homocide is attributed to low firearm ownership

I'm really trying to believe you, but the stats just aren't in your favor. just why is america so violent? why aren't these defensive gun use cases you cite deterring people?

once again, i would also own firearms if i lived in america, but that doesn't mean i'm safer over there just because i own one, because statistically i'm in greater danger stepping off the plane than boarding it in my home country.

[nutsy54]

Last time, since you'll probably continue to ignore it anyway: GUNS PROVIDE DEFENSE. That is a clear reward. Yes, it's actually a good thing to kill or injure a violent attacker who would otherwise do the same to you and others.

But keep ignoring that, and instead cry about the US homicide rate, which has already been proven as inverse to the number of guns in the hands of law abiding citizens.

Standard anti-gun response throughout this thread: Use emotion and what you wish were true. Ignore cited facts and statistical research at all costs.
BRB - 50% reduction in violent crime, and Chesso still doesn't see the effects of deterrence.

[Chesso95]

Last time, since you'll probably continue to ignore it anyway: GUNS PROVIDE DEFENSE. That is a clear reward. Yes, it's actually a good thing to kill or injure a violent attacker who would otherwise do the same to you and others.

But keep ignoring that, and instead cry about the US homicide rate, which has already been proven as inverse to the number of guns in the hands of law abiding citizens.

Standard anti-gun response throughout this thread: Use emotion and what you wish were true. Ignore cited facts and statistical research at all costs.
BRB - 50% reduction in violent crime, and Chesso still doesn't see the effects of deterrence.

the defense of not being up against an attacker armed with a firearm is a greater defense

and yes using a firearm is ALSO a great defense

thx for playing

BRB - 50% reduction in violent crime, and Chesso still doesn't see the effects of deterrence

almost 300 mil firearms in the country
ridiculously terrible statistics regarding violent crime/homocide
claims people need more guns to lower the stats

NEWSFLASH: reduction in violent crime can be observed everywhere during recent years

[izzyman321]

This x∞

[RThoe]

the defense of not being up against an attacker armed with a firearm is a greater defense

and yes using a firearm is ALSO a great defense

thx for playing

Please tell me what utopia exists of violent criminals being unarmed.

[Darkhare]

I'm pro guns but this video is 15 minutes long, and you posted within 6 minutes. So unless you've previously watched the video how can you comment on what he is saying? You didn't watch it all

I've seen it before, it's completely flawed, he's an idiot.

[SucculentSteve]

Please tell me what utopia exists of violent criminals being unarmed.

Its called "IMAGINATION"

[pushlimits]

Of course not - who has ever said someone should be killed for committing a minor, non-violent theft?

One of your buddies said someone stealing his TV should be shot.

[Archangel_Lost]

A non-american trying to work american gun laws into his routine. such original. much comedy. Please regale us with more hilarious comedy, perhaps a woman talking about her vagina.

[pushlimits]

im amazed at how foreigners care so damn much about our laws.. they remind me of when a child cant have a toy, so he wants to see the other kids denied whatever he cant have

That's kind of ironic. It's exactly what would happen if there was a ban on guns. Not even all guns, like a ban on say assault rifles.

[BaneBRAH]

I'm for whatever anybody would want. If you want guns, go ahead and buy some and enjoy them for what they are but for me personally I would be 100% alright with never holding a gun, shooting a gun, being generally anywhere close to a gun simply because I only have one life to live and this may be ignorant of me but there are A LOT of people on this planet that struggle with common things that chimps do yet they own an arsenal of weapons.

I love Canada for this reason, sure there are some nuts here and there but in Ottawa we broke our record for most deaths in a year which was 10-15 meanwhile New York is celebrating a record that nobody died for 10-15 days. How can you honestly believe if there were no weapons (guns) that there'd still be the same amount of crime?

[Decemberism]

gun owners getting insecure by an Australian comedian and venting their anger via a bodybuilding forum?

color me, color me, well, color me not even surprised at all

[pushlimits]

The real data to study would be the murder rates of those countries and the US BEFORE their gun bans.

I'll save you some time- they are very similar to the rates AFTER the gun bans.

I could also counter you with Switzerland. Why is their murder rate so low but their gun ownership rate so high?



Not sure where you're getting this from.

I received this neg from an anti-gun liberal just this morning.

Funny how the people who are anti-gun are always the most violent.





You have to be trolling.

Provide one example of a society where criminals are not armed.

Us Europeans are more civil, that's why bro. You have too many idiots running around with assault rifles. Not fair on you guys just wanting guns for fun and doing no harm.

[TDKSparda]

Are you guys serious? This bit is hilarious. Would watch the full stand up on netflix.

misc is the 10% he's talking about. m

[Antonio519]

lol'd @ everyone who's mad at op

all he did was post a vid which kinda makes sense

what other 1st world country has this much gun violence

[SucculentSteve]

Us Europeans are more civil, that's why bro. You have too many idiots running around with assault rifles. Not fair on you guys just wanting guns for fun and doing no harm.

"Europeans are more civil"

BRB giant log spikes in the angus
BRB hanging people by their testicles for rape (though I kinda agree with that)

[MartialArtist06]

Aw, I was hoping he'd actually make some valid points.

To each his own, the great thing about America is that you actually have the choice. Have fun on your governments leash.


http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEV...jB8wqh6cS5aJk-

8 children killed in mass stabbing IN Australia last year .. taking away guns doesn't solve humanities problems.

[RThoe]

I'm for whatever anybody would want. If you want guns, go ahead and buy some and enjoy them for what they are but for me personally I would be 100% alright with never holding a gun, shooting a gun, being generally anywhere close to a gun simply because I only have one life to live and this may be ignorant of me but there are A LOT of people on this planet that struggle with common things that chimps do yet they own an arsenal of weapons.

I love Canada for this reason, sure there are some nuts here and there but in Ottawa we broke our record for most deaths in a year which was 10-15 meanwhile New York is celebrating a record that nobody died for 10-15 days. How can you honestly believe if there were no weapons (guns) that there'd still be the same amount of crime?

Can you bring any actual arguments supported by research and data?

Did you know the state of New York has some of the strongest gun laws in the country and New York City specifically is amongst the top cities with even stricter gun control?

You literally contradicted your argument by trying to cite NYC as an example.

Since you are trying to compare the US to foreign countries, look at the violent crime rate of the UK and Australia before the gun bans. Compare those rates to those countries today. Tell me if less guns really does equal less crime.

Also tell me why America's crime has been decreasing rapidly while gun ownership is at never before seen levels.

Us Europeans are more civil, that's why bro. You have too many idiots running around with assault rifles. Not fair on you guys just wanting guns for fun and doing no harm.

Define assault rifle and tell me how many people are killed by them.

Did you know more people are beaten to death with bare hands than killed by ANY type of rifle in America each year? You literally don't know what you're talking about.

[Lendogg]

I love Canada for this reason, sure there are some nuts here and there but in Ottawa we broke our record for most deaths in a year which was 10-15 meanwhile New York is celebrating a record that nobody died for 10-15 days. How can you honestly believe if there were no weapons (guns) that there'd still be the same amount of crime?

You are also comparing an area which has an metro area population of 1,236,324 to a metro area population of 23,484,225. That is a huge difference. NYC is also known for their very strict gun control. It obviously isnt working.

Also the thing is there is no way there would ever be no guns in America. There are way too many.

[BrocepCurls]

Since you are trying to compare the US to foreign countries, look at the violent crime rate of the UK and Australia before the gun bans. Compare those rates to those countries today. Tell me if less guns really does equal less crime.

OK.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2...level-33-years

Australia's homicide rate was 1.9 per 100k the year before the ban, today it is 1.0 per 100k, and mass shootings pretty much disappeared.

Anything else?

[BaneBRAH]

Can you bring any actual arguments supported by research and data?

Did you know the state of New York has some of the strongest gun laws in the country and New York City specifically is amongst the top cities with even stricter gun control?

You literally contradicted your argument by trying to cite NYC as an example.

Since you are trying to compare the US to foreign countries, look at the violent crime rate of the UK and Australia before the gun bans. Compare those rates to those countries today. Tell me if less guns really does equal less crime.

Also tell me why America's crime has been decreasing rapidly while gun ownership is at never before seen levels.



Define assault rifle and tell me how many people are killed by them.

Did you know more people are beaten to death with bare hands than killed by ANY type of rifle in America each year? You literally don't know what you're talking about.

I'm just using what I know man. I live in Canada and It's just incredibly foreign to hold a weapon. In fact, you'd probably scare the **** out of people if you were (legally speaking). Also, the deaths in Ottawa I was talking about I'm not entirely sure were all gun related aka 10-15. They were murders but not specific.

I just find it very hard to believe that if you subtract a weapon that can kill someone so easily and a child could use said weapon easily that you'd have less murders. In my mind I just can't comprehend most peoples thought process. Everyones arguments are to fight fire with fire. He has a gun? I'll have a bigger gun. It's evident that a lot of people shouldn't be carrying but still do, what happens when they mis-use the weapon? People get hurt alongside criminals.

[grw256]

Own a gun for home defense and marksmanship crew

[kusok]

yes.

well, yes and no.

the things you listed aren't weapons
knives are made for cooking for example, there is a clear reward

in this case, reward > risk

guns are made for killing (or as jim jeffries puts it, for shooting at targets or hunting)

risk > reward

now you can narrow down stats to prove your point, you can rationalize the usa homocide rate being 6.7x that of where i live etc etc.
but will we ever know what's really the truth considering there are so many factors at play here?


no.

but outside the misc gun crew thread the rest of the civilized world thinks that low violent crime/low homocide is attributed to low firearm ownership

I'm really trying to believe you, but the stats just aren't in your favor. just why is america so violent? why aren't these defensive gun use cases you cite deterring people?

once again, i would also own firearms if i lived in america, but that doesn't mean i'm safer over there just because i own one, because statistically i'm in greater danger stepping off the plane than boarding it in my home country.

Guns are not necessarily for killing, they can be to prevent killing. As in for defense. Defense against someone who may try to kill you.

[Codo]

Do you mother f*cking F*CKERS think for ONE F*CKING SECOND that the founders of the country didn't stop and say

"DUR HEY YOU THINK MAYBE IF EVERYONE'S ALLOWED TO HAVE GUNS MAYBE PEOPLE WILL SHOOT OTHER PEOPLE?"

because they f*cking KNEW THAT SH*T WOULD HAPPEN.

OH but big F*CKING SURPRISE!!!
They didn't write those United States Club Rule Document (constitution) to make america the SAFEST F*CKING PLACE ON THE PLANET
THEY MADE IT TO BE THE MOST FREE!!!
AS IN F*CK YOU AND YOUR F*CKING SAFETY, WE'RE TRYNA NOT GET RULED BY KINGS AND TYRANTS AND OVERPOWERED GOVERNMENTS!!!!!!!

[BearyManilowe]

This thread is the exact point Jim Jeffries was making. You guys took his word as fact, knowing that he's a PHUCKING COMEDIAN

You're the 10%. This was phucking hilarious no matter where you're from.

[truthhurts]

the funny part is that if anyone actually follows him they'd be well aware he's out-right stating it as all a joke yet because he makes legit points there's fukwits out there who want to kill him

he literally got more of a reaction from this than he did with his religion based stuff (also funny as chit) I think that says a lot...

[WillBrink]

I'm just using what I know man.

Which is clearly nothing. He responded with the hard facts and real T, you responded with subjective emotional BS based on your perceptions, which are dead wrong. That puts you in the usual class of people who are for gun control:

• Don't know a thing about guns
• Ignore history
• Ignore the data
• Prefer emotions over objective discussions.