The Official Powerlifting and Strongman Family Appreciation Thread: Part XVIII

[breathinglife]

i'm sure the trans community would argue it is discriminatory.
the IOC/sport federations would argue that agreeing to be a competitive athlete is discriminatory and requires sacrifices and behavior outside of norms to comply with the rules of competition.
it would play out in ICAS, and likely due to the politics of international sport, ICAS would side with the federations.

Interdasting.

None that I know would find it offensive because they are also realists and understand what is fair..

Meh, I don't think it's safe to assume that 100% of the trans population would not find that offensive just because a few you know are "realists."

In fact, it's already happened: Crossfit was sued for $2.5 million over this sort of thing:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/us/tra...suit-crossfit/

I think part of the problem is that the trans community is so multifaceted that any sanction will affect different individuals in unexpected ways.

For example, for some to prove hormone replacement therapy would "out" them (see Crossfit lawsuit in quoted post)--so the process would be discriminatory in that sense.

[LessThanLuke]

Interdasting.



Meh, I don't think it's safe to assume that 100% of the trans population would not find that offensive just because a few you know are "realists."

In fact, it's already happened: Crossfit was sued for $2.5 million over this sort of thing:
http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/us/tra...suit-crossfit/

At what point did I assume that?
I'd rather you didn't put words in my mouth.

[breathinglife]

At what point did I assume that?
I'd rather you didn't put words in my mouth.

Well, fair enough. If you were only referring to transgenders you know and implying absolutely nothing about the trans community as a whole, then that's fine.

But my point was regarding the trans community as a whole--so the small number of transgenders an individual knows doesn't really shed any light on that, and therefore wasn't really a rebuttal to my point at all.

[LessThanLuke]

Well, fair enough. If you were only referring to transgenders you know, then that's fine.

I was talking about the trans community as a whole--so the small number of transgenders an individual knows doesn't really shed any light on that.

Well it sheds some light on the fact that not ALL the trans community will be offended as you seemed to be implying. Apologies if I misread that.

[tempehmade]

HIM, not her. Dressing up like a woman and calling yourself a woman make you a woman. If that were the case, I'd put on a suit and some black face and call myself Obama and demand that I be addressed as Mr President.

I will call Jonae, HER. You can do as you please.

And that comparison is all wrong. First of all, you have never experience any feelings similar to how transgender people have. So how can you even make that comparison, based on what? And secondly, just because you change your skin tone doesn't make you Obama, race and appearance doesn't define who a person is.

[isaku900]

The monitoring question doesn't really need answering... because you know they would just ask for evidence.

i mean they already invasively monitor their athletes through WADA on nearly everything a human being can put in their body...so I trust one more piece of evidence of ongoing treatments would be really, insanely easy to monitor.

Interdasting.

see above for one portion of what is already a de facto discriminatory practice, not agreed upon by each individual athlete, but something an athlete is forced to comply with, or they cannot compete.

[Rags85]

None that I know would find it offensive because they are also realists and understand what is fair..

This is how I would see it. They just have to play with the cards they are dealt. Yeah, they got a ****ty hand, and have a lot of obstacles to overcome, but its just the way it is.

Someone crashes into my car; I have to deal with it and get it fixed (I don't have to pay, yada yada yada).
God/Budda/Science crashes into their hormones/gender/whatever the case may be;They have to deal with it. I know, it costs them money, but thats just part of it.

You are the gender you were born with. If its not the correct one, get it fixed. If not, they don't expect to compete with them.
Maybe I'm not being sensitive, but its just the way I see it.

[arn710]

Well it sheds some light on the fact that not ALL the trans community will be offended as you seemed to be implying. Apologies if I misread that.

Since when does the voice of the silent majority matter?

[breathinglife]

Well it sheds some light on the fact that not ALL the trans community will be offended as you seemed to be implying. Apologies if I misread that.

No, I agree with you--I think most would not at all be offended. Kroc seems to be fully aware of the complexities.

But really, all it takes is individuals for litigation to happen. Legislation? Sure, it'd take more unity. But if federations face expensive lawsuits, by individuals, they will find it harder and harder to survive. I already know of some private schools that have been nearly bankrupt because of such litigation from LGBT community.

If you look at how the LGBT movement has progressed, they've really learned the value of litigation over legislation. Most of the big cases have been individuals suing and working its way up the courts. It's not been achieved through lobbying lawmakers to introduce bills and make laws.

[breathinglife]

To make up for changing the thread into gender politics discussion, I'll leave this here:
Mikhail Leykht pressing four plates fairly strictly for 3 reps :

Kilos, so technically 396.8 lbs... but not too shabby for nearly 400 lbs OH.

[grandmoloch]

To make up for changing the thread into gender politics discussion, I'll leave this here:
Mikhail Leykht pressing four plates fairly strictly for 3 reps :

Kilos, so technically 396.8 lbs... but not too shabby for nearly 400 lbs OH.

Wow holy ****

[GourleyMan]

I'm all for getting back to freaky lifts...821 speed pull

[CooCooCaChoo]

Can anyone tell me if the 3rd edition of Low Back Disorders by McGill is worth getting over the second edition?

http://www.amazon.com/Low-Back-Disor...6QMKJQ19WG56FS
http://www.amazon.com/Back-Disorders...+stuart+mcgill.

Did this book help you a lot? I've had a low back issue before and it has slowly started to creep my last couple of training sessions

[connerh99]

To make up for changing the thread into gender politics discussion, I'll leave this here:
Mikhail Leykht pressing four plates fairly strictly for 3 reps :

Kilos, so technically 396.8 lbs... but not too shabby for nearly 400 lbs OH.

Wtf who is this guy? Searched his name on google and YouTube and couldn't find anything

[SPFjudge]

I'm all for getting back to freaky lifts...821 speed pull

Apparently on his instagram he said this was his downset too....

[ShortDave]

I really don't think you realise what two years of hormonal treatments(the length the IOC requires before you can compete as a female) to completely transition him would do to his strength levels... he would not be smashing world records.

Bone density and structure aren't going to change, myonucleii that the athlete built up over the years aren't going to suddenly disappear through hormone use. A formerly male athlete will have definite advantages over an athlete who has always been female.

[308smk]

To make up for changing the thread into gender politics discussion, I'll leave this here:
Mikhail Leykht pressing four plates fairly strictly for 3 reps :

Kilos, so technically 396.8 lbs... but not too shabby for nearly 400 lbs OH.

That's a big healthy boy

Bone density and structure aren't going to change, myonucleii that the athlete built up over the years aren't going to suddenly disappear through hormone use. A formerly male athlete will have definite advantages over an athlete who has always been female.

Dave don't be so offensive, gawd

[Jmadden44]

4th meet tomorrow. I'm up 15 pounds but my squat is down 15~ pounds. Fuk injuries mane. Meet best 1375, hoping for 1400 but taking it one lift at a time.

[LessThanLuke]

Bone density and structure aren't going to change, myonucleii that the athlete built up over the years aren't going to suddenly disappear through hormone use. A formerly male athlete will have definite advantages over an athlete who has always been female.

Doctors disagree with you. Go through transition and tell me about your advantages.

[LessThanLuke]

Trans women often actually tend to be weakerr than their cisgendered counterparts like for like post transition with the main reason being that post transition they have less testosterone than cis women (due to having neither testes OR ovaries) so muscle mass is harder to maintain.
The bone density thing is just silly.
"Bone density varies greatly from each individual based on nutrition, sex, age, and race. It is true that men have higher bone densities than women, but African-Americans also have higher bone densities than Caucasians and Hispanic people. The average bone density of African-American women is nearly the same as the average bone density of Caucasian males. Bone structure also varies greatly by individuals based on genetics. Additionally in a 2003 study of the dimensions of shoulder width with the consideration of height and weight of a sample of over 500 males and females shows that there is a significant overlap of male and female body dimensions. Try this thought experiment, if you were looking at two different skeletons would you be able to tell what gender, race, or age they were? Even trained forensic scientists can only tell this information correctly 9 out of 10 times.

What does this mean? – Everybody has different bone densities and structures and there is simply too much variation to exclude someone solely on the bases of that measurement. Not only is there an extreme amount of variation that overlaps between sexes, but bone density and bone structure is irrelevant to determining athletic performance. In my experience as a Division I rower for one of the best collegiate programs in the country, we had nutritionists talk to us about iron intake and proper eating habits plus we consistently had body composition testing to measure our body fat and muscle to a tenth of a percent in each segment of our bodies. But never in my four years have I heard one word about bone density or bone structure-because it has a negligible affect on athletic performance. The same argument of bone density was used to keep African-American and Caucasians segregated in athletic competition fifty years ago."

[McCabesLifts]

This is like are third f***ing time arguing about trannies, can't we just keep lifting bras.

Bill you better kill squats you repping the fam at the meet

[budreiser2]

Can someone post the top 10 all time totals and deadlifts at 165?

[arian11]

Apparently on his instagram he said this was his downset too....

Yea I think he pulled ~860 as his top set.

[NeverEnough89]

Can someone post the top 10 all time totals and deadlifts at 165?

Deadlift
Rank Name Federation Date Bodyweight Deadlift
1. Paul Nguyen RUPC 2014-02-08 163.80 717
2. Micah Marino USPA 2014-06-19 717
3. Vashon Perryman RUPC 2013-02-24 716
4. Rostislav Petkov USPA 2015-06-13 160.71 677
5. Ed Manmano USPA 2014-04-05 672
6. Tony Conyers RUM 2015-04-18 155.00 665
7. Eric Talmant RUM 2010-06-19 655
8. Chris Godoy USPA 2014-07-19 650
9. Jamie Mcdougal SPF 2010-10-02 645
10. Steven Lopez IPL 2014-11-08 164.80 640

Total (In sleeves)
Rank Name Federation Date Bodyweight Total
1. Tony Conyers RUM 2015-04-18 155.00 1650
2. Rostislav Petkov IPL 2014-11-08 162.90 1650
3. Vashon Perryman RUPC 2013-02-24 1603
4. Paul Nguyen RUPC 2014-02-08 163.80 1588
5. Reggie Dukes USPA 2014-11-08 165.00 1532
6. Nick Israel USPA 2014-11-15 165.20 1515
7. Jamie McDougal PRPA 2010-09-11 1515
7. Taylor Atwood USAPL 2014-07-19 1515
9. Ed Manmano USPA 2014-04-05 1489
10. Jason Manenkoff USPA 2014-04-18 164.00 1488

[adamsz]

Word on the streets is Jonae isn't the only powerlifter who likes to crossdress....

[NorthStrong]

Came to check on fam thread after long day of my friend's wedding

Leaving now

[isaku900]

i remember that shirt it was never the same.

350kg/771lbs went for a RIDE
https://instagram.com/p/6qzQW3ssMK/

[308smk]

i remember that shirt it was never the same.

350kg/771lbs went for a RIDE
https://instagram.com/p/6qzQW3ssMK/

Bromaleo crew right thurrr.

Dirty squat, look like you could have done a double.

[dang111]

i remember that shirt it was never the same.

350kg/771lbs went for a RIDE
https://instagram.com/p/6qzQW3ssMK/

Man, some serious speed there. Looking for 800 at the meet?

[isaku900]

Bromaleo crew right thurrr.

Dirty squat, look like you could have done a double.

lol. maybe coulda, but certainly wasn't the plan or the intention.

Man, some serious speed there. Looking for 800 at the meet?

yeah attempts are looking like 335-350/355-365/370