Let's be real right quick... No guns = less violence (very serious).

[Thankless]

Er, what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

I challenge you to put these countries in order of homicide from lowest to highest, and then look up the firearm laws of the nations with the lowest homicide rates in the world (let's say, 1 per 100k and under). Call it an educational experience.

Also look up where America lies in comparison, just for good measure.

Norway has the highest rate of gun ownership in Western Europe, yet possesses the lowest murder rate. In contrast, Holland’s murder rate is nearly the worst, despite having the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe. Sweden and Denmark are two more examples of nations with high murder rates but few guns

[backinbusiness]

I edited my first post. Murders went up post-australian ban.

GTFO OP

http://crimepreventionresearchcenter...fter-gun-bans/

[holtmcg]

BRB, if you are murdered with a knife it doesn't count.

lol I was like...aus gonna aus

I'm strictly speaking about gun violence. LOL @ people bringing up stabbings (that have ZERO relevance to gun violence)

[Farley1324]

I'd say its been pretty consistent.

Homicide per 100000 (Any means gun/knife/tickle fight)...
2012: 1.24
2011: 1.05
2010: 1.20
2009: 1.28
2008: 1.19
2007: 1.04
2006: 1.25
2005: 0.98
2004: 0.82
2003: 1.41
2002: 1.49
2001: 1.55
2000: 1.78

So your argument is that drastically reducing civilian firearm ownership did NOT do anything to reduce homicides.

Cool story bro

I'm strictly speaking about gun violence. LOL @ people bringing up stabbings (that have ZERO relevance to gun violence)

I know you are, and I know the reason you are doing that is you know actual violence is either the same or UP after gun control passes. But hey, if you are happy to restrict people even though you readily admit there is no benefit, by all means, aus gonna aus

[JustJones]

Less violence?

Ill remember that in 1000 bc while im getting my head crushed in being hit multiple times with a stick that really isnt heavy enough to kill me.

If i'm gonna be taking the least violent option of being killed i'll choose a gun every time.

[EQUlLIBRIUM]

watch that shiet and get back with me.

[Roody12]

So your argument is that drastically reducing civilian firearm ownership did NOT do anything to reduce homicides.

Cool story bro

I don't have an argument .. I'm just watching and pointed out your mistake. "Their violence and homicide went UP. You ignorant?"

[entropy1]

If I lived in a crime ridden neighborhood why would I not want to protect myself and my family with a weapon that keeps me at a fair distance?

I think it's far wiser to have a gun and not need it than to not have it when you do need it

I guess that's part of the issue, Australia seems to have far less/no "crime ridden neighbourhoods"

Doesn't it simply provide an escalation of violence? Ie if someone's going to invade ur house they are going to come in with the thought you are armed and prepared to kill you.

[SevenFigures]

Less humans = less violence. Ban humans.

[Farley1324]

if you were to strip citizens of their guns, I guarantee violence would go down a TON. It's proven.

I'm strictly speaking about gun violence.

Thank you for admitting you lied in your OP

[Thankless]

I find it sort of amusing that most people are so scared ****less of guns as if they have a mind of their of own.

Let's blame the weapon that's used in the murder and not the actual murderer.

That's like blaming the stove for starting a fire and not the goof who left the gas on

[BrocepCurls]

Norway has the highest rate of gun ownership in Western Europe, yet possesses the lowest murder rate. In contrast, Holland’s murder rate is nearly the worst, despite having the lowest gun ownership rate in Western Europe. Sweden and Denmark are two more examples of nations with high murder rates but few guns

Holland's murder rate is 0.9 per 100k, Sweden's is 0.7 per 100k and Denmark's is 0.8 per 100k, what are you smoking son? Europe in general has pretty strict gun laws, and it has some of the lowest crime and homicide on the planet. Meanwhile, in America....

[PepperedAngus]

I'm strictly speaking about gun violence. LOL @ people bringing up stabbings (that have ZERO relevance to gun violence)

They have a lot of relevance in that people will use whatever is available to commit violent crime if they are so inclined. Its not the act of owning a gun or knife or grenade or rocket launcher that makes the tool violent, its the intention of the person whos hands it is in.

[faxanadu]

I love the 2nd Amendment and I have a concealed handgun license, but if you were to strip citizens of their guns, I guarantee violence would go down a TON. It's proven.

Ya because our right to bear arms is about civilian on civilian violence (rolls eyes). As if you liberals haven't allowed the constitution to be trampled on enough.

WTF is with all the California people coming here and trying to fuk Texas up just like California. I swear you people must be insane trying to repeat the same crap over and over expecting different results.

[holtmcg]

Thank you for admitting you lied in your OP

Whatever makes you feel better, redneck.

[Farley1324]

if you were to strip citizens of their guns, I guarantee violence would go down a TON. It's proven.

I'm strictly speaking about gun violence.

Which of your posts do you believe is correct, and which one is wrong?

[LaxinAround]

[Swood94]

Just gonna put this in here....

Anyone who is scared of a gun can not call themselves alpha... (srs)

My little 107 pound fiance shoots a 12ga.

phucking ******* betas

inb4: Lesbian or any other stereotype.

[holtmcg]

Ya because our right to bear arms is about civilian on civilian violence. As if you liberals haven't allowed the constitution to be trampled on enough.

WTF is with all the California people coming here and trying to fuk Texas up just like California. I swear you people must be insane trying to repeat the same crap over and over expecting different results.

Texas has been f*cked for a long, long time. I don't think it can get much worse.

[Unforgiv3n]

I'm from California originally. I just live here for work.

Then go back...

[PepperedAngus]

WTF is with all the California people coming here and trying to fuk Texas up just like California. I swear you people must be insane trying to repeat the same crap over and over expecting different results.

Hey now, lets not lump us who live in California in with the libtards merely from geographical proximity. Theres right minded people here too, unfortunately we are outnumbered, and if they had their way, outgunned too.

[BrocepCurls]

USA:
In 2008 there were 1,897 murders by knife (Source: U.S. Census 2011 – Murder Victims–Circumstances and Weapons Used or Cause of Death)
2008 population: 304.09 million
= 0.624 knife murders per 100,000 people

UK:
In 2011 there were 193 murders by knife in England and Wales (Office of National Statistics: Crime in England and Wales, year ending June 2012)
In 2011 there were 47 murders by knife in Scotland (Scotland.gov.uk, Homicide in Scotland, 2011-12)
In 2011 there were 30 murders by knife in Northern Ireland (Police Recorded Crime in Northern Ireland: Monthly Update to 31 March 2012 (Providing final figures for 1st April 2011 to 31st March 2012))

193+47+30 = 270 knife murders in total
UK population 2011: 63.2 million
= 0.427 knife murders per 100,000 people


Awkward...

[SevenFigures]

LOL OP got banned.

[JontheAtheist]

Look at the statistics. More citizens armed resulted in less violent crimes, the citizens were protected. What idiot criminal would rob a home of a gun owner over a home of a full out libtard that is against guns.

How would a criminal know who is armed and who isn't?

[DolphinPenis]

Then go back...

I second this, your mindset is not welcome in Texas.

[faxanadu]

Holland's murder rate is 0.9 per 100k, Sweden's is 0.7 per 100k and Denmark's is 0.8 per 100k, what are you smoking son? Europe in general has pretty strict gun laws, and it has some of the lowest crime and homicide on the planet. Meanwhile, in America....

We have this going on just yards from our border daily:

[Mobraelite]

banned and negged


lol just lol



mods came thru

[calibrah213]

not sure if srs

[faxanadu]

Texas has been f*cked for a long, long time. I don't think it can get much worse.

That's why you moved here for a job huh...

[BrocepCurls]

We have this going on just yards from our border daily:

That is a different question entirely, he simply claimed that countries which have strict gun laws have higher murder, which going by all of Western Europe, Australia, Japan, Singapore, China, South Korea, etc etc is er, quite demonstrably false.