DHS report warns of Domestic Right Wing terrorism

[ScubaStevo]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/19/politi...ity/index.html

A new intelligence assessment, circulated by the Department of Homeland Security earlier this month and reviewed by CNN, focuses on the domestic terror threat from right-wing sovereign citizen extremists, and comes as the Obama administration holds a White House conference to focus efforts to fight violent extremism

Some federal and local law enforcement groups view the domestic terror threat from sovereign citizen groups as equal to -- and in some cases greater than -- the threat from foreign Islamic terror groups, such as ISIS, that garner more public attention.​

The DHS report, produced in coordination with the FBI, counts 24 violent sovereign citizen-related attacks around the U.S. since 2010

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Hmmm, this is interesting. ISIS just beheaded 21 people and posted the video online, yet "domestic right-wing terrorists" are taking DHS' center stage.

[TheFornicator1]

Look, I hate Islamic ideology as much as the next person. I also recognize it to be the greatest threat to Western Civilization that we face.

I'm right wing in regard to economics. I'm also culturally protectionist and advocate for selective migration. But you simply cannot deny the cursory threat of extreme right-wing citizens. Reactionary tactics are implicit through extreme right wing history both here and abroad. I put a fair onus on the government themselves for ignoring the problem and the voice of the people to begin with, this is why I've had such a prominent and strong opinion about multiculturalist policy from the beginning.

I saw all of this unfolding many years ago, at the basic societal levels. People don't seem to understand that when people of nationalistic identity are pushed against the wall, they'll do just as bad - if not worse - than Islam does.

This was all inevitable. Trying to say that the extreme right wing reactionaries don't pose a threat to social order is just ignorant. They'll massacre the Islamists if they have to; and probably take a whole lot of innocents with them. They're just not going to do it out of religious conviction, rather out of nationalist & political reaction.

Then you also need to consider the massive population difference. Islam is irrelevant in America beyond public debate. Muslims just don't have an influential presence whatsoever. 1.6% is nothing.

[DennisR1977]

Look, I hate Islamic ideology as much as the next person. I also recognize it to be the greatest threat to Western Civilization that we face.

I'm right wing in regard to economics. I'm also culturally protectionist and advocate for selective migration. But you simply cannot deny the cursory threat of extreme right-wing citizens. Reactionary tactics are implicit through extreme right wing history both here and abroad. I put a fair onus on the government themselves for ignoring the problem and the voice of the people to begin with, this is why I've had such a prominent and strong opinion about multiculturalist policy from the beginning.

I saw all of this unfolding many years ago, at the basic societal levels. People don't seem to understand that when people of nationalistic identity are pushed against the wall, they'll do just as bad - if not worse - than Islam does.

This was all inevitable. Trying to say that the extreme right wing reactionaries don't pose a threat to social order is just ignorant. They'll massacre the Islamists if they have to; and probably take a whole lot of innocents with them. They're just not going to do it out of religious conviction, rather out of nationalist & political reaction.

Then you also need to consider the massive population difference. Islam is irrelevant in America beyond public debate. Muslims just don't have an influential presence whatsoever. 1.6% is nothing.

Cursory threat? Show me where there's been an organized effort of domestic terrorism from so called right wing extremists any where near the scale of ISIS, and not the acts of just lone jag offs.

[ScubaStevo]

This is incredible timing for a report like this to come out.

[ausluke]

They probably have more than one investigation taking place at once

[ScubaStevo]

They probably have more than one investigation taking place at once

[Bushmaster]

Look, I hate Islamic ideology as much as the next person. I also recognize it to be the greatest threat to Western Civilization that we face.

I'm right wing in regard to economics. I'm also culturally protectionist and advocate for selective migration. But you simply cannot deny the cursory threat of extreme right-wing citizens. Reactionary tactics are implicit through extreme right wing history both here and abroad. I put a fair onus on the government themselves for ignoring the problem and the voice of the people to begin with, this is why I've had such a prominent and strong opinion about multiculturalist policy from the beginning.

I saw all of this unfolding many years ago, at the basic societal levels. People don't seem to understand that when people of nationalistic identity are pushed against the wall, they'll do just as bad - if not worse - than Islam does.

This was all inevitable. Trying to say that the extreme right wing reactionaries don't pose a threat to social order is just ignorant. They'll massacre the Islamists if they have to; and probably take a whole lot of innocents with them. They're just not going to do it out of religious conviction, rather out of nationalist & political reaction.

Then you also need to consider the massive population difference. Islam is irrelevant in America beyond public debate. Muslims just don't have an influential presence whatsoever. 1.6% is nothing.

Cursory threat? Show me where there's been an organized effort of domestic terrorism from so called right wing extremists any where near the scale of ISIS, and not the acts of just lone jag offs.

This.

Examples of this domestic right wing terror please.

[awadamm]

This.

Examples of this domestic right wing terror please.

If we keep ignoring it, it's gonna turn out like islam is these days. We can't just wish a problem away, it won't disappear.

Domestic terrorism has always been a threat, it's just getting more likely due to what's happening in the world. That domestic terrorism will probably be directed at brown skinned people and the government.
We focus so much on problems outside this country that we choose to ignore the problems we have in our own backyard.

[adamsteve14]

If we keep ignoring it, it's gonna turn out like islam is these days. We can't just wish a problem away, it won't disappear.

Domestic terrorism has always been a threat, it's just getting more likely due to what's happening in the world. That domestic terrorism will probably be directed at brown skinned people and the government.
We focus so much on problems outside this country that we choose to ignore the problems we have in our own backyard.

So where are these alleged domestic terrorists? Why are they doing such a poor job killing brown people? Come the phuck on. Brown people kill brown people every day and no one bats an eye, yet you want to cite a hypothetical scenario as evidence of right wing extremism.

[Aesthetical]

They probably have more than one investigation taking place at once

Wrong, every single person at DHS is focused on ISIS. Nobody is allowed to investigate anything else.

/sarcasm

[CitizenVagrant]

Examples of this domestic right wing terror please.

Oklahoma City was the most notable.

Plenty of other "Domestic Terror" that wouldn't specifically be "Right Wing." McVeigh specifically said OK was a response to Waco and similar events where there was government overreach and / or breaches of rights.

OK would be nearly impossible to replicate in modern times due to how much more closely the Feds monitor fissile material - specifically in this case, ANFO is highly monitored now compared to when OK went down. Simultaneously, I doubt the lone individual would be able to rapidly acquire a significant amount of jet fuel (about 8 drums worth was also used in addition to ANFO in OK). And in addition to THAT, McVeigh was operating in (effectively) a pre-internet society and he relied heavily on pre-existing knowledge on electronics and demolitions learned in the Army in order to employ the correct fuse / detonation solution for the bomb.

Everything McVeigh used in OK (the materials, the knowledge, or otherwise) is highly monitored nowadays, and the nature of that monitoring is vastly more sophisticated. There are of course still many ways a dedicated individual could execute an attack beyond just walking into a crowded room and opening fire. Boston proved that, false flag or no.

Preventing these attacks lies foremost in what the Feds are already doing: watching the bomb materials and laying the honeypots out there for those gullible enough to walk into them. But the greater level of prevention comes in changing hearts and minds. Convincing someone that an attack isn't necessary, and that they can see their life goals met via fair treatment under the law.

[primetime32]

This is incredible timing for a report like this to come out.

Bingo.

[Oddball8945]

Fuawk the DHS they are the brown shirts of our time, Federal overreach is real how can anyone deny that? Voting sure works out well when you import illegals and people from poverty nations and promise them free things.

[Bushmaster]

Oklahoma City was the most notable.

Strong 1995.

Got something a little more recent? Something that might warrant an "Oh shiit, we need to watch out for that!"?

Edit: From the article in the OP...

Some federal and local law enforcement groups view the domestic terror threat from sovereign citizen groups as equal to -- and in some cases greater than -- the threat from foreign Islamic terror groups, such as ISIS, that garner more public attention.​

And Timothy McVeigh is = to the threat of islamic terror groups?

[DennisR1977]

Oklahoma City was the most notable.

Plenty of other "Domestic Terror" that wouldn't specifically be "Right Wing." McVeigh specifically said OK was a response to Waco and similar events where there was government overreach and / or breaches of rights.

OK would be nearly impossible to replicate in modern times due to how much more closely the Feds monitor fissile material - specifically in this case, ANFO is highly monitored now compared to when OK went down. Simultaneously, I doubt the lone individual would be able to rapidly acquire a significant amount of jet fuel (about 8 drums worth was also used in addition to ANFO in OK). And in addition to THAT, McVeigh was operating in (effectively) a pre-internet society and he relied heavily on pre-existing knowledge on electronics and demolitions learned in the Army in order to employ the correct fuse / detonation solution for the bomb.

Everything McVeigh used in OK (the materials, the knowledge, or otherwise) is highly monitored nowadays, and the nature of that monitoring is vastly more sophisticated. There are of course still many ways a dedicated individual could execute an attack beyond just walking into a crowded room and opening fire. Boston proved that, false flag or no.

Preventing these attacks lies foremost in what the Feds are already doing: watching the bomb materials and laying the honeypots out there for those gullible enough to walk into them. But the greater level of prevention comes in changing hearts and minds. Convincing someone that an attack isn't necessary, and that they can see their life goals met via fair treatment under the law.

You're talking about a lone psycho, that wasn't an organized effort by a group.

[brosenthal91]

I think these far-right wing groups are more inclined towards secession or just simply trying to remove themselves from the general population as much as possible. I think they've given up hope on trying to reform the federal government, and it wouldn't make much sense imo for them to pull crazy stunts like committing terrorist acts to win people to their cause.

Also, it is amusing and at the same time frightening that are government plays dumb and acts like there is no Islamic extremist threat against this country. These people have called for America's destruction countless times, but can't think of any examples as of late where a right-winger does the same.

[illriginalized]

We already have someone in this section sounding like a Christian Right-Wing extremist.

I anticipate this will eventually escalate either by him doing something stupid or by actually getting investigated never to return to this forum board again.

[awadamm]

So where are these alleged domestic terrorists? Why are they doing such a poor job killing brown people? Come the phuck on. Brown people kill brown people every day and no one bats an eye, yet you want to cite a hypothetical scenario as evidence of right wing extremism.

Do you honestly believe there aren't any domestic terrorists? Don't be naive...
They don't do **** now because they know they'd get beat down real quick.
Don't act like there aren't a bunch of bigoted, right wing nutcase that would love nothing more than to kick every non white, non Christian out of the U.S.. They don't lash out now because there are still societal consequences for their actions, but as once the hate gets strong enough they won't care.
People love to focus on outsiders causing us problems, but some of the biggest problems and threats come from within if they aren't dealt with.

Why are you so offended by the fact that there are domestic terrorists? Do you choose to ignore it, like the muslims are doing? We've all seen how stuff like this spirals out of control.

Edit- and before anybody ****s themselves, I do believe Islamic terror is a greater threat out of the two right now, but that does not mean we ignore every other problem.

[illriginalized]

Fukkin lmao. Right wing are you serious? So they're blaming republicans? Fuk DHS. Not to mention publicizing the issue only makes it worse.

They'll blame any side that has extreme views, one of which perpetuates hate to the point of wanting to kill a certain group. Republicans just happen to be that group of people who hate other certain groups.

Look at what/who the movie, "American Sniper" riled up.. you honestly think its any other group besides republicans (and every other group under its umbrella) that became emotional and wanted to wish death on Muslims? lol
Have you seen the **** those disgusting people posted on FB? Just FB alone made me sick to my stomach. And now there's crazy asses roaming around the streets of America trying to hunt down Muslims.

Look you even fit the profile:

Texas crew
Conservative crew
Intolerant crew
Ignorant crew
Bigot crew

That's what you labeled yourself as.. lol no one else labeled you this.

[TheFornicator1]

They'll blame any side that has extreme views, one of which perpetuates hate to the point of wanting to kill a certain group. Republicans just happen to be that group of people who hate other certain groups.

Look at what/who the movie, "American Sniper" riled up.. you honestly think its any other group besides republicans (and every other group under its umbrella) that became emotional and wanted to wish death on Muslims? lol
Have you seen the **** those disgusting people posted on FB? Just FB alone made me sick to my stomach. And now there's crazy asses roaming around the streets of America trying to hunt down Muslims.

Here we are having a constructive discussion and the forum retard strolls in and equates admiration for Chris Kyle with terrorism.

Believe it or not there are also dangerous liberal/democratic extremists who would eradicate religious fundamentalists or people who don't agree with gay marriage. And, this might come as a shock to you, but a whole horde of classical liberals and modern liberals who also support Chris Kyle.

Go jump, already.

[gharlow]

So pretty much anyone who doesn't blindly buy into the BS the govt. spews can be labeled a terrorist now.

End well this will not.

[michiganiron19]

We already have someone in this section sounding like a Christian Right-Wing extremist.

I anticipate this will eventually escalate either by him doing something stupid or by actually getting investigated never to return to this forum board again.

Like?

[Tripinn]

Cursory threat? Show me where there's been an organized effort of domestic terrorism from so called right wing extremists any where near the scale of ISIS, and not the acts of just lone jag offs.

.....The only terrorists we have in this country is the one leading it. If it were up to me he would be stripped from office and exiled to the Middle East. SRS.

[RIKTER]

LOL like the OP is a surprise. White straight men who are conservative are the enemy to leftists, and when I saw enemy, I mean enemy as in allowing the govt to shut them down, etc and the police to arrest etc. Once leftist have control, what they consider right wing speech, ie; speaking out against immigration/multiculturalism will be considered hate speech and against the law. Alternative new sources that criticizes leftism will not be allowed..its a couple decades away, but will be here in our lifetimes. Don't take my word for it, just listen to college leftists, they will tell you what their vision for America is and I take them at their word.

[kusok]

The government is looking at right wingers because right wingers more often know who the real enemy is.


You know... who ships drugs over here, who ships guns into Mexico and blames the 2nd amendment, who goes to wars, who spies on you, who steals from you etc.

[ZenBowman]

Look, I hate Islamic ideology as much as the next person. I also recognize it to be the greatest threat to Western Civilization that we face.

I'm right wing in regard to economics. I'm also culturally protectionist and advocate for selective migration. But you simply cannot deny the cursory threat of extreme right-wing citizens. Reactionary tactics are implicit through extreme right wing history both here and abroad. I put a fair onus on the government themselves for ignoring the problem and the voice of the people to begin with, this is why I've had such a prominent and strong opinion about multiculturalist policy from the beginning.

I saw all of this unfolding many years ago, at the basic societal levels. People don't seem to understand that when people of nationalistic identity are pushed against the wall, they'll do just as bad - if not worse - than Islam does.

This was all inevitable. Trying to say that the extreme right wing reactionaries don't pose a threat to social order is just ignorant. They'll massacre the Islamists if they have to; and probably take a whole lot of innocents with them. They're just not going to do it out of religious conviction, rather out of nationalist & political reaction.

Then you also need to consider the massive population difference. Islam is irrelevant in America beyond public debate. Muslims just don't have an influential presence whatsoever. 1.6% is nothing.

Yep. If you go on any of the far-right message boards, what they propose as their ideal system isn't that far removed from ISIS. Now, I think most of this is just talk, but there are some fringe groups who do take it seriously, like Hutaree.

I do not think it is anywhere near as big a global threat as ISIS and radical Jihadism, but on a domestic level, it is worth keeping an eye on.

[TaeBoNinja]

Throw them in Gitmo! Use the Patriot Act/NSA to monitor their every move! We must do these things to protect America

[PowerOfWisdom]

i blame ignorant hate-fueling main stream media for this.

[ZenBowman]

The government is looking at right wingers because right wingers more often know who the real enemy is.


You know... who ships drugs over here, who ships guns into Mexico and blames the 2nd amendment, who goes to wars, who spies on you, who steals from you etc.

The right wing has been quite happy to support wars and spying, most of the dissent on those two still comes from the left.

[RIKTER]

The right wing has been quite happy to support wars and spying, most of the dissent on those two still comes from the left.

Yeah when the guy with the (R) after his name is doing it lol