Realistically, how many do you think Phil can get?

[purdey]

As many as he wants

[DanielEver]

I like how most of the posters discuss this stuff thinking that Phil's sandows depend solely on his physique while it's most obviously not the case in IFBB shows.

[Exane]

This, Heath has regressed BADLY since his dominant 2009 win, every other win since has been CONTRAVERSIAL OF PEACE.

I would be happy if Heath came in better than 2009 and won the title, it should be about Physique not judges.

2011 must have happened in my head then I guess...

[flangmasterj]

This, Heath has regressed BADLY since his dominant 2009 win, every other win since has been CONTRAVERSIAL OF PEACE.

I would be happy if Heath came in better than 2009 and won the title, it should be about Physique not judges.

This spanner.

[TropicalSunset]

Very good point Daniel...I guess we are discussing the ideal world situation.

[RoroCwalker]

Physique wise, -3.

"Mr.O" wise, 8.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

I like how most of the posters discuss this stuff thinking that Phil's sandows depend solely on his physique while it's most obviously not the case in IFBB shows. I don't like when things don't go my way waa waa boo hoo :'(

You can never predict just how good or bad a guy will show up.Including based on previous performances. Did anyone predict Jay to show up as bad as 2007 and 2008 then as jaw dropping as he did in 2009? Ronnie as bad in 2002 and as GOAT as 2003? Branch Warren was great in 2009 and not so good other years. Phil could win 1 more or he could win 10 more. Trying to speculate on what he will look like in future showings each having a different year of prep time and/or whatever it is they do the week/day before the show that has such a great impact on how they end up looking for 1/2 night(s) is pointless unless you have a magic crystal ball.

[KiwiRob]

Calves too small to win. Plus I think Rhoden is a bit better balanced than Wolf

Small calves didn't hurt Ronnie.

[RobberBaron13]

Small calves didn't hurt Ronnie.

Ronnie's calves **** all over wolfs...
Wolf is nowhere near Ronnie in thigh girth and they still look small.

[jrhodez]

His body is digressing the amount of drugs it takes to keep that mass on his small frame is starting to take its toll and look bad. We saw it last year the widening of the gut and the widening of that gap between his abs, it onlY goin downhill.

Who's going to be first to beat him idk, but I give him 2 more max

[mackro]

Seems like nobody thinks that he has any competition for the next 2 years. I wish there were at least arguments for a fight, but doesn't seem realistic.

As much as everyone hates a gut, do you see that leading to Phil losing if it gets worse? Also, aware me on whether or not a guy can turn that around. It is reversible, or is it now just a matter of keeping it from getting worse?

[BartPimpson]

Seems like nobody thinks that he has any competition for the next 2 years. I wish there were at least arguments for a fight, but doesn't seem realistic.

As much as everyone hates a gut, do you see that leading to Phil losing if it gets worse? Also, aware me on whether or not a guy can turn that around. It is reversible, or is it now just a matter of keeping it from getting worse?

He didn't seem to have a gut at the night show.

My guess is he mistimed something for prejudging.

[lordlosh]

As much as his friend(oh i mean the judges) decide to give him. He can come 9 month pregnant and still win(not that we didnt see that already) .... So he could brake Ronnie and Lee record.

[flangmasterj]

As much as his friend(oh i mean the judges) decide to give him. He can come 9 month pregnant and still win(not that we didnt see that already) .... So he could brake Ronnie and Lee record.

[mike8190]

bout tree fiddy.


...really, about 3.5 considering he half won this last O and won't win another

but in reality, at least one more, after that maybe compton or someone else will come up. Or cedric will step up his **** who knows. The potential is definitely there for someone to dethrone heath. It's just that right now his only competition is kai, and by the looks of it the judges give him little of a chance right out the gate. Phil has great shape and all, but there are guys such as cedric, lionel and jason huh who have great shape + a much much better structure. The only question is whether or not they could get in shape. Then you have the freak that is big ramy, plus justin compton. If everyone takes their **** seriously there could be pretty good competition in the next few years for mr heath.

[alex070707]

Seems like nobody thinks that he has any competition for the next 2 years. I wish there were at least arguments for a fight, but doesn't seem realistic.

As much as everyone hates a gut, do you see that leading to Phil losing if it gets worse? Also, aware me on whether or not a guy can turn that around. It is reversible, or is it now just a matter of keeping it from getting worse?

Well since he generally doesn't have a gut, it was most likely caused by GI distress by something he ate pre show. I hope he doesn't get a permagut from drugs though but it doesn't seem like the case.

[boody22]

I am a fan. I would say maybe 6 or 7, so only a couple more. Ronnie is STILL my all-time favorite though. The guys today work on their supplement and clothing lines and what not and lift. Big Ron did it while being a police officer.....gotta give credit to that. I hope he and Jay compete just for the h*** of it this year, that would be awesome. But back to Phil, he has like 2 or 3 more in him I think

[Canuck77]

If it is a GH/Slin gut with Phil, then it can't be fixed, correct? This is the so called beginning of "Palumboism"? That hard protruding, turtle shell like gut with splitting abs et.

But, how did Kai reduce his waist? Even though Kai's waist is by no means his strong point, he was able to bring it in some as did big Jay in the latter parts of his career (ie. '09). So I get kind of lost with how much is just width from caloric intake and how much is intestinal growth from GH/Slin abuse...I watched a video with Piana who said he hasn't touched GH or Slin in years because of what it was doing to his waist. He also said his feet grew 2 shoe sizes from the abuse as well as his wrists, jaw and head...

It will be interesting to see if Phil can correct his stomach this year...

I hate these stomachs on most Pros these days, I miss the signature tight waists from the "golden era".

[Unbiasedfan]

If it is a GH/Slin gut with Phil, then it can't be fixed, correct? This is the so called beginning of "Palumboism"? That hard protruding, turtle shell like gut with splitting abs et.

But, how did Kai reduce his waist? Even though Kai's waist is by no means his strong point, he was able to bring it in some as did big Jay in the latter parts of his career (ie. '09). So I get kind of lost with how much is just width from caloric intake and how much is intestinal growth from GH/Slin abuse...I watched a video with Piana who said he hasn't touched GH or Slin in years because of what it was doing to his waist. He also said his feet grew 2 shoe sizes from the abuse as well as his wrists, jaw and head...

It will be interesting to see if Phil can correct his stomach this year...

I hate these stomachs on most Pros these days, I miss the signature tight waists from the "golden era".

Phil corrected his waist in the finals. He was bloated, and then he ceased to be bloated.

[masthead716]

This spanner.

So I took to Urban Dictionary just like I do with most of your obscure Rommy descriptions.....












































Spanner:
A person person who is a complete f*cking muppet, or a retard.
"You mate, are a complete fu'kin spanner. Youre one apple short of an orchard."


Great word.

[stealth_swimmer]

Phil corrected his waist in the finals. He was bloated, and then he ceased to be bloated.

This. Same thing happened to Kai the second time he won the Arnold Classic. He had a gut at prejudging, and it was gone at finals.


As for regressing, what a joke to say Phil is regressing when his 2013 look was his absolute best and he dominated the entire competition.

[RoroCwalker]

As for regressing, what a joke to say Phil is regressing when his 2013 look was his absolute best and he dominated the entire competition.

[ZBlacktt]

This comes up often. I would say personally from seeing him in person the last two years at the show. He'll go on and on and on until someone shows up with the shape and condition. Some will have either other. But rarely nowadays do we see both. He has freaky detail from head to toe.

[masthead716]

This comes up often. I would say personally from seeing him in person the last two years at the show. He'll go on and on and on until someone shows up with the shape and condition. Some will have either other. But rarely nowadays do we see both. He has freaky detail from head to toe.

I'd love to have a solid set of seat tickets for just one Olympia Phil competes in. I've heard so many stories (from credible sources) that all say you just have to see Phil in person to understand how freaky he is.

My good friend was at the 2012 Olympia and said that pictures just don't him justice when you get to see him move and transition from different angles in person. He said Kai looked crazy but also flat which just enhanced Phil's strengths....he said that Phil was crazy full and even looked spilled over and bloated a bit but the fullness made up for it....he's a Kai fan and still thought he should have won but just made the point that nobody had what Phil had in terms of roundness, separation, and detail and it's just something the stream or pictures cant pick up on.

[flangmasterj]

I'd love to have a solid set of seat tickets for just one Olympia Phil competes in. I've heard so many stories (from credible sources) that all say you just have to see Phil in person to understand how freaky he is.

My good friend was at the 2012 Olympia and said that pictures just don't him justice when you get to see him move and transition from different angles in person. He said Kai looked crazy but also flat which just enhanced Phil's strengths....he said that Phil was crazy full and even looked spilled over and bloated a bit but the fullness made up for it....he's a Kai fan and still thought he should have won but just made the point that nobody had what Phil had in terms of roundness, separation, and detail and it's just something the stream or pictures can pick up on.

The finals stage footage in Generation Iron really showed how great he looked in 2012 and how the win was well deserved.

[masthead716]

The finals stage footage in Generation Iron really showed how great he looked in 2012 and how the win was well deserved.

Oh I agree completely on 2012. You know I'm a Kai fan but he just hasn't brought a package I feel beats Phil overall to this point (On the Olympia stage). 2011 was a damn hard year to follow for Phil. Anything other than repeated perfection would be regression.

[RobberBaron13]

The finals stage footage in Generation Iron really showed how great he looked in 2012 and how the win was well deserved.

Well deserved my ass, Kai was bigger and more conditioned in certain bodyparts.

[mikieson]

Any of you acting like Phil didnt win fair and square are just blind and full of hate. So what if you like him or not. So what if you think he acted cocky..Like he's the 1st right??..The ONLY person to even give Phil a competition is Kai..THATS IT..and everyone here agrees Kai is NEVER fully on the night of the big 'O..So Phil wins..We have havent seen a beautiful physique like Phils since Dex..Coleman was just huge and didnt flow as well..Jay was blocky..Simple you people just dont like a true flowing beautiful physique..get over it.."tips hat"..good day.

[RobberBaron13]

Phil's last year win was total BS.Some say 2012 too.
Kai was pretty on in both contests above mentioned.
Coleman of 98 or 99 was aesthetic.Jay's 09 version would beat any Phil version.Lack of flow or blockiness aside.
Phil is a good champ with great phisique but dont try and make him appear like hes some unbeatable stuff because he isnt.FAR FROM THAT.

[Unbiasedfan]

Simple you people just dont like a true flowing beautiful physique

Yes, people tend to have a problem with that.