how tough are D1 wrestlers?

[letitride0]

former D3 wrestler checking in, I can confirm

[Dion22K]

I think i've seen vision quest enough times (once) to know the answer to this question

good movie for all athletes not just wrestlers

[HtotheOV]

So you guys think a D1 champion same weight would beat a Mayweather or Manny in street?

[UnemployedBrah]

So you guys think a D1 champion same weight would beat a Mayweather or Manny in street?

Definitely not.

In a wrestling match, yes.

Fight involving the two best Lb for Lb strikers in the world? No

[HtotheOV]

Definitely not.

In a wrestling match, yes.

Fight involving the two best Lb for Lb strikers in the world? No

Double leg vs someone with no training defending it?

[morsdecantactus]

Wrestled my younger cousin (4x state Champ and now D1 wrestler, MT state record in wins), and although I could overpower him -- that damn grip strength was unreal (he wrestled at 14x as a senior). I couldn't do anything to him. He knew zero striking or submissions. Same thing for his 2 other state champion brothers (and have 2 more wrestling now).

Their Dad was a wrestler to, and I guarantee he would -- over 50 -- still destroy 99% of the people on this forum.

[EnriqueBrah]

under 6 minutes. One time our coach made my whole team run 2 miles in 10 minutes, including heavyweights, but not everyone made it. As punishment we would sprint a 800m then come back to the 2 miles in 10 minutes. We did that cycle 5 times before he finally said we made it. I don't think he ever actually kept the clock, but just wanted to make sure we were going balls out

feels
our wrestling track workouts always went like this



coach "sprint"

us "how far"
coach "till i tell you to stop"

[EnriqueBrah]

I think i've seen vision quest enough times (once) to know the answer to this question

good movie for all athletes not just wrestlers

goat movie so much motivation
we watched it before the beginning of every wrestling season

[UnemployedBrah]

Double leg vs someone with no training defending it?

Pure wrestling not modified for MMA is SO SO SO SO open for striking, as soon as you go for a double leg you'd slugged.

[HtotheOV]

Pure wrestling not modified for MMA is SO SO SO SO open for striking, as soon as you go for a double leg you'd slugged.

well a wrestler can just duck then go for legs right away.

[Achilles87]

skip to 3:30. Guy is like a pit bull once he locks jaws.

Heavyweight champion of the world


Jerry pls

[tk217]

I don't **** with wrestlers - and I was one.

Not worth it.

[Billy_Biceps]

So you guys think a D1 champion same weight would beat a Mayweather or Manny in street?

Maybe. A D1 champ that has gone on to bellator/ufc definately.

[UnemployedBrah]

under 6 minutes. One time our coach made my whole team run 2 miles in 10 minutes, including heavyweights, but not everyone made it. As punishment we would sprint a 800m then come back to the 2 miles in 10 minutes. We did that cycle 5 times before he finally said we made it. I don't think he ever actually kept the clock, but just wanted to make sure we were going balls out

2 miles in under 10 minutes.......notsureifsrs. If your teammates doesn't train for track but can run a 9 minute 2 miles......they'd get D1 scholarships for track and field.

[HtotheOV]

Maybe. A D1 champ that has gone on to bellator/ufc definately.

im talking about a PURE D1 wrestler with no submission/striking experience vs. Manny or Floyd on streets.

[Reliance012]

under 6 minutes. One time our coach made my whole team run 2 miles in 10 minutes, including heavyweights, but not everyone made it. As punishment we would sprint a 800m then come back to the 2 miles in 10 minutes. We did that cycle 5 times before he finally said we made it. I don't think he ever actually kept the clock, but just wanted to make sure we were going balls out

He didnt keep time, I guarantee it. You have no idea how fast two miles in 10 minutes is.

[powahh]

C'mon... Let's not forget about uppercuts.

From what I've seen, wrestlers arch their back slightly and they dont tuck in their chins (they're probably never trained to do so in wrestling, but correct me if I'm wrong)


That type of stance is just BEGGING for an uppercut. As a trained boxer, that sticks out like a sore thumb to me. If anyone were to charge me with their chin out and back arched, I'd naturally throw an uppercut and knock the living phuck out of them. It really doesn't get much easier than that.


I've even seen that happen in MMA matches. A heavier opponent gets ballsy at the start of the round and bum-rushes his opponent with his chin out and back arched, only to be knocked the phuck out by a quick upper cut


edit: but if the guy fighting the wrestler doesn't land an uppercut, he's absolutely dead.

[HtotheOV]

C'mon... Let's not forget about uppercuts.

From what I've seen, wrestlers arch their back slightly and they dont tuck in their chins (they're probably never trained to do so in wrestling, but correct me if I'm wrong)


That type of stance is just BEGGING for an uppercut. As a trained boxer, that sticks out like a sore thumb to me. If anyone were to charge me with their chin out and back arched, I'd naturally throw an uppercut and knock the living phuck out of them. It really doesn't get much easier than that.


I've even seen that happen in MMA matches. A heavier opponent gets ballsy at the start of the round and bum-rushes his opponent with his chin out and back arched, only to be knocked the phuck out by a quick upper cut

ive never seen someone uppercut in a street fight or even attempt too...thats not happening unless you are Prime Mike Tyson who would probably beat the crap out of any D1 Wrestler.

[powahh]

ive never seen someone uppercut in a street fight or even attempt too...thats not happening unless you are Prime Mike Tyson who would probably beat the crap out of any D1 Wrestler.

You're right for the most part, but it doesn't take a Mike Tyson to land a perfectly set up uppercut. I'm telling you that it's a cakewalk to knock someone out while they're in that arched back position

And yeah, I doubt there are many street fight videos of trained boxers utilizing the uppercut. It's only used during certain situations

[kratosbrah]

Pretty phucking tough, physically and mentally. SEALs say they're ideal candidates to become SEALs, actually. Think that's pretty telling

[BronsonStorm]

He didnt keep time, I guarantee it. You have no idea how fast two miles in 10 minutes is.

Its pretty blazing I run home from work a couple of nights a week and that's two miles in 12 minutes and pretty fast.

I could can do one mile under 5 minutes but not 2 consecutively and certainly not 10 times in an hour.

[reyes12]

Those wrestling feels, good times. Still compete when I can. 6+ years experience here.

[TheLightBearer]

So you guys think a D1 champion same weight would beat a Mayweather or Manny in street?

If it were a fair fight where both dudes knew the situation before hand, a ****ing high school wrestler would destroy a pro boxer. There's no doubt about it. Anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know the fight game honestly.

C'mon... Let's not forget about uppercuts.

From what I've seen, wrestlers arch their back slightly and they dont tuck in their chins (they're probably never trained to do so in wrestling, but correct me if I'm wrong)


That type of stance is just BEGGING for an uppercut. As a trained boxer, that sticks out like a sore thumb to me. If anyone were to charge me with their chin out and back arched, I'd naturally throw an uppercut and knock the living phuck out of them. It really doesn't get much easier than that.


I've even seen that happen in MMA matches. A heavier opponent gets ballsy at the start of the round and bum-rushes his opponent with his chin out and back arched, only to be knocked the phuck out by a quick upper cut


edit: but if the guy fighting the wrestler doesn't land an uppercut, he's absolutely dead.

Punches do absolutely nothing to a guy in the middle of a shot. As far as punching mechanics go, you can't uppercut someone that's at your waist or lower. You might be able to hit him on top of the head, but that's not a ko shot. A shot entails dropping low enough that a knee could touch the ground and you're driving forward so you're facing the ground. The only effective counters (as far as striking goes) are all with the legs. Knees or kicks can work, but most guys that land big knees get taken down regardless of the damage they do, so you better have a ground game.

During a shot, the wrestler certainly doesn't arch his back and put his chin in the air, I have no idea where you're getting that from. They also don't simply charge you in an upright position. You should do yourself a favor and go roll at your local MMA gym.

[UnemployedBrah]

If it were a fair fight where both dudes knew the situation before hand, a ****ing high school wrestler would destroy a pro boxer. There's no doubt about it. Anyone who says otherwise just doesn't know the fight game honestly.

Take this from someone who LOVES wrestling, and has been wrestling since the 6th grade.

No a high school wrestler would not destroy a pro boxer, are you kidding? Even a D1 champ would not destroy a pro boxer.

If both side only know ONE ART. Striking > Grappling in a fight, since theres no submission in wrestling and its pure wrestling not MMA styled wrestling........theres no way a wrestler would win.

Take downs knock the wind outa you, but it doesn't hurt....a punch to the face hurts.

[TheLightBearer]

Take this from someone who LOVES wrestling, and has been wrestling since the 6th grade.

No a high school wrestler would not destroy a pro boxer, are you kidding? Even a D1 champ would not destroy a pro boxer.

If both side only know ONE ART. Striking > Grappling in a fight, since theres no submission in wrestling and its pure wrestling not MMA styled wrestling........theres no way a wrestler would win.

Take downs knock the wind outa you, but it doesn't hurt....a punch to the face hurts.

That's not the point. A take down renders the other guy (without a ground game) completely useless as he can't strike. Punches from the back do absolutely nothing. Punches from the top, even from someone that doesn't strike, do a ton of damage. The wrestler gets to dictate how the fight transpires and he's on the top all the time. Unless you have a ground game, you're done.

I wrestled in high school (folkstyle), went to state multiple times, my grandpa was a golden gloves boxer so I grew up in boxing, and did kickboxing from 4 to 12. Then, once I got out of high school, I started doing MMA. I've also watched MMA since 93. My best friend is an undefeated amateur boxer with a serious future in the sport. When ever we spar with mixed rules, I absolutely obliterate him and he's almost 300 lbs. at 6'4".

No offense but it's clear that you don't actually know what it's like to fight with mixed rules.

[UnemployedBrah]

That's not the point. A take down renders the other guy (without a ground game) completely useless as he can't strike. Punches from the back do absolutely nothing. Punches from the top, even from someone that doesn't strike, do a ton of damage. The wrestler gets to dictate how the fight transpires and he's on the top all the time. Unless you have a ground game, you're done.

I wrestled in high school (folkstyle), went to state multiple times, my grandpa was a golden gloves boxer so I grew up in boxing, and did kickboxing from 4 to 12. Then, once I got out of high school, I started doing MMA. I've also watched MMA since 93. My best friend is an undefeated amateur boxer with a serious future in the sport. When ever we spar with mixed rules, I absolutely obliterate him and he's almost 300 lbs. at 6'4".

No offense but it's clear that you don't actually know what it's like to fight with mixed rules.

I was a state champ wrestler in highschool, I can hold my own against D1 wrestlers (not the starters). I would not be able to beat a PRO Boxer similar weight in a fight, and thats even including my knowledge in BJJ, Muay Thai, and Boxing. Just being a realist. I would get completely WRECKED, not to mention beating a pro boxer....wtf.

[AdamOm]

Tough as phuck.

Not afraid of contact. And forget the physical toughness, these guys have elite level mental toughness.

[Hyruliangoat]

wrestling and bjj >

as some here have already mentioned, a good wrestler/bjj person will phuck up a person even much bigger than them. I learned that the hard way when I first started bjj. I was getting destroyed by people half my size who didnt even lift and the only times I ever had "some" control was if I was on top but even then not really. Now if you are big and strong and wrestle/bjj whoever you are about to scrap with is phucked =)

[TheLightBearer]

I was a state champ wrestler in highschool, I can hold my own against D1 wrestlers (not the starters). I would not be able to beat a PRO Boxer similar weight in a fight, and thats even including my knowledge in BJJ, Muay Thai, and Boxing. Just being a realist. I would get completely WRECKED, not to mention beating a pro boxer....wtf.

If you're as good of a wrestler as you say you should go to an MMA gym and just take some classes. The first light sparring session you'll be amazed at how you can take basically all of them down. You won't even worry about the strikers, only the grapplers. Of course, some guys just aren't cut out for it and don't like violence.

Just watch MMA and you'll see great examples. Brock Lesnar started fighting in his thirties and won a championship with nothing more than his athleticism and his wrestling. Of course, he lost the title later because he fought guys that could wrestle as well as strike really well. He doesn't like to get hit either.

Of course, in a big brawl or some other chaotic happening, the striker has the advantage because he can stay on his feet and keep moving while doing damage, but in a one on one exchange wrestlers have a serious advantage.

[tetrasarin]

If you're as good of a wrestler as you say you should go to an MMA gym and just take some classes. The first light sparring session you'll be amazed at how you can take basically all of them down. You won't even worry about the strikers, only the grapplers. Of course, some guys just aren't cut out for it and don't like violence.

Just watch MMA and you'll see great examples. Brock Lesnar started fighting in his thirties and won a championship with nothing more than his athleticism and his wrestling. Of course, he lost the title later because he fought guys that could wrestle as well as strike really well. He doesn't like to get hit either.

Of course, in a big brawl or some other chaotic happening, the striker has the advantage because he can stay on his feet and keep moving while doing damage, but in a one on one exchange wrestlers have a serious advantage.

Have you ever even sparred a decent pro boxer? Your automatic assumption that a high school wrestler would wreck a BAREFISTED pro boxer in a street fight just shows how biased you are