When a cop lies and it's caught on the cop's dash cam video . . .

[sojomojo]

Imagine if you’re out walking around, minding your own business as a law abiding citizen, and a police officer drives up to you, gets out and accuses you of swinging a golf club at her and that your menacing act has been caught on her police cruiser’s dash cam video . . . or has it. How would you react if you know you didn’t do what the police officer has accused you of doing?

If this black man was in his 20’s, he’d probably would have been shot dead by the police officer. Instead, he’s a 70 years old retired Metro bus driver and USAF veteran who walks around using his golf club (which he has used for 20 years) as a walking cane.




http://www.king5.com/story/news/loca...logy/22501173/

[deadwoodgregg]

How would you react if you know you didn’t do what the police officer has accused you of doing?

I would do exactly what the police officer told me to do.

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[Karl_Hungus]

I would do exactly what the police officer told me to do.

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He wants you to say that cops are all wicked racists who are looking for any excuse to harass and shoot innocent black people.

[Brackneyc]

Remember when trolling was cool.

Me either.

[Keltron]

I How would you react if you know you didn’t do what the police officer has accused you of doing?

I'd comply so that she'd have no cause to shoot me, taze me or cause any kind of bodily harm to me.

Was it out of racism? Nobody knows. We do know that she made a stupid mistake. It could've been a result of her being racist. It could also have been a result of her being a stupid and a shxtty cop and not a racist one. Would I blame the black guy for thinking that she may have stopped him out of racism? No. Who knows how many actual racist cops he's encountered during the course of his life. Should he have still complied 100%? Fukk yes.

If you're being arrested or detained for something you didn't do, resisting or not complying is not going to improve your situation in any way, shape or form.

[V-240]

Sojo, the officer seemed to indicate the alleged swinging of the club had occurred a bit earlier.. if you listen to the audio at 02:25.

Good luck with your trolling goals in 2015.

[Keltron]

Sojo, the officer seemed to indicate the alleged swinging of the club had occurred a bit earlier.. if you listen to the audio at 02:25.

Good luck with your trolling goals in 2015.

That's what I was thinking too. I figured what she saw previously (wether it was intentionally threatening or not) was cause to stop him but that happened to not be the case. Check out the news story in the bottom link of the OP. The department pretty much admitted that she wrongfully stopped him.

[Guinea-pig]

I would do exactly what the police officer told me to do.

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Yep !

What happened to Yes Sir/Mam or No Sir/Mam when receiving a direct order from a police officer.

[bodyhard]

I highly doubt the cop just made up the part about him swinging the club at her.

[Dmonastra]

dyke

[GDPONE]

I highly doubt the cop just made up the part about him swinging the club at her.

lol this from the guy that always claims to be some sort of badass.

[bodyhard]

Claims????

You just hurt my feelings man.

[7Seconds]

What was he arrested fore?

[Keltron]

What was he arrested fore?

Most likely resisting arrest. if he had just complied (even though he knew she was wrong) and then asked her to review the footage in front of her colleagues that arrived for back up, they probably would've set her straight and she would've maybe let him go w/an apology.

Everyone should click the link to the story though. Im pretty sure the man didn't actually swing his club or do anything intentionally threatening. The cop was actually mistaken. The dept reviewed the footage and determined that she was wrong for stopping him. If he truly did do swing his cane in any remotely threatening way, the dept would've released the footage.

I had a cop call me a "fukking taliban" and to get out of his city, that my kind weren't welcome, etc. All for jaywalking. But instead of getting mad, I just did what he said. I didn't want to give that racist son of a bxtch any excuse to beat me down because god knows he sure wanted to.

[Clinos]

He wants you to say that cops are all wicked racists who are looking for any excuse to harass and shoot innocent black people.

I wouldn't say all of them, but there is an amount of them. Just like every profession. Law enforcement is damned if they do, damned if they don't.

Most likely resisting arrest. if he had just complied (even though he knew she was wrong) and then asked her to review the footage in front of her colleagues that arrived for back up, they probably would've set her straight and she would've maybe let him go w/an apology.

I do agree, but the problem is look how long and expensive the process is to get video/audio or a report released, even with FOIA guidelines. Can you afford to wait in jail or prison all that time while it maybe gets sorted out or the evidence in your favor gets 'lost'?

Everyone should click the link to the story though. Im pretty sure the man didn't actually swing his club or do anything intentionally threatening. The cop was actually mistaken. The dept reviewed the footage and determined that she was wrong for stopping him. If he truly did do swing his cane in any remotely threatening way, the dept would've released the footage.
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Yup. The footage would have been very different from the moment of the stop to the number of officers that would have initiated contact rather than just one officer. Her story didnt seem to add up. All that drama for a lucent elderly gentleman? She's probably a laughing stock back at the station.

[Squid24]

What was he arrested>>> fore?<<<

LOL^^^^ that was good

[Squid24]

dyke

And this is why it's for 35 and over...lol

[Searching4Truth]

I would do exactly what the police officer told me to do.

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what if he wanted you to get on your knees an give him a bj?

[Squid24]

what if he wanted you to get on your knees an give him a bj?

I should not have read this while drinking my water...now I have to clean up the computer and table top

[Keltron]

what if he wanted you to get on your knees an give him a bj?

I would say "with or w/o teeth, ossifer?"

[deadwoodgregg]

what if he wanted you to get on your knees an give him a bj?

Repped for feeble attempt at juvenile humor.

I should not have read this while drinking my water...now I have to clean up the computer and table top

I would say "with or w/o teeth, ossifer?"

Negged for encouraging the little bastard.

[acrawlingchaos]

what if he wanted you to get on your knees an give him a bj?

Repped for feeble attempt at juvenile humor.


Negged for encouraging the little bastard.

I think it's a valid question. Cases of LEO demanding lewd acts for leniency are not unheard of.

At what point do you stand up for your rights? It's easy to say just stfu and doing what your told when it just means putting down a golf club or hurrying to the other side of the road, but what if it means taking a shot to the face, or means one of your loved ones in the car is in danger?

[Karl_Hungus]

I think it's a valid question. Cases of LEO demanding lewd acts for leniency are not unheard of.

At what point do you stand up for your rights? It's easy to say just stfu and doing what your told when it just means putting down a golf club or hurrying to the other side of the road, but what if it means taking a shot to the face, or means one of your loved ones in the car is in danger?

Obviously, you have to assess what is at stake and use your best judgment. For me, it is a no-brainer. I would have put down the golf club because that would produce the best outcome for me. Then again, I am not a 70-year old black guy. Given his age, he has likely had to put up with some sh!t in his lifetime, and the idea of acquiescing to a bullish!t command may have been more unpleasant for him than going to jail. We all have to draw the line somewhere.

[7Seconds]

IT's my opinion that once the police are engaged in a situation, they are engaged professionally. That is to say that they fulfill a role which is mandated as both the enforcement of the law, and also self preservation.

We have what can be considered a social contract with law enforcement. As such police deserve a healthy amount of respect and deference. Generally it is best to do what they say, within the scope of your rights, for any given situation.

At the end of the day, if you argue, if you run, if you hit them- even if your actions are immediately justifiable - you're often forfeiting your broader protections by the legal system. If you go along quietly, you're in a much better position to defend yourself later before a judge, than if you go kicking and screaming.

This is not to say that people should be quiet in the face of totalitarian treatment by their own sworn protectors, but generally speaking you personally will come out better by engaging the law via the court, rather than physically struggling at the moment of confrontation.

[acrawlingchaos]

Obviously, you have to assess what is at stake and use your best judgment. For me, it is a no-brainer. I would have put down the golf club because that would produce the best outcome for me. Then again, I am not a 70-year old black guy. Given his age, he has likely had to put up with some sh!t in his lifetime, and the idea of acquiescing to a bullish!t command may have been more unpleasant for him than going to jail. We all have to draw the line somewhere.

IT's my opinion that once the police are engaged in a situation, they are engaged professionally. That is to say that they fulfill a role which is mandated as both the enforcement of the law, and also self preservation.

We have what can be considered a social contract with law enforcement. As such police deserve a healthy amount of respect and deference. Generally it is best to do what they say, within the scope of your rights, for any given situation. But only within the context of the larger legal system which is designed to provide oversight for police abuse.

At the end of the day, if you argue, if you run, if you hit them- even if your actions are immediately justifiable - you're often forfeiting your broader protections by the legal system. If you go along quietly, you're in a much better position to defend yourself later before a judge, than if you go kicking and screaming.

This is not to say that people should be quiet in the face of totalitarian treatment by their own sworn protectors, but generally speaking you personally will come out better by engaging the law via the court, rather than physically struggling at the moment of confrontation.

Than you both agree that making the statement "Just do what you're told" isn't always an appropriate response.

We tend to make these statements based on our experience with LEO, and fail to look at a situation from a different perspective. Civil disobedience should never be discouraged as I firmly believe this is the cornerstone of peaceful protest. That is exactly what this man did... peacefully refused to relinquish his property, and peacefully walked away from the situation.

[JimmyJonny]

A retired USAF veteran gives law enforcement resistance ??? WTF, out of anyone, shouldn't he show some damn respect to other people that serve our country ? Also, I know damn well why he uses that golf club to walk with in the middle of the city...... I aint just for walking.

[Juggertha]

I think people should comply with any lawful order.

[Brackneyc]

I think people should comply with any lawful order.

That's how do you say, kooky talk.

[Clinos]

A retired USAF veteran gives law enforcement resistance ??? WTF, out of anyone, shouldn't he show some damn respect to other people that serve our country ? Also, I know damn well why he uses that golf club to walk with in the middle of the city...... I aint just for walking.

You know this guy personally and the particulars as to why he carries the golf club in the city?

IT's my opinion that once the police are engaged in a situation, they are engaged professionally. That is to say that they fulfill a role which is mandated as both the enforcement of the law, and also self preservation.

We have what can be considered a social contract with law enforcement. As such police deserve a healthy amount of respect and deference. Generally it is best to do what they say, within the scope of your rights, for any given situation.

At the end of the day, if you argue, if you run, if you hit them- even if your actions are immediately justifiable - you're often forfeiting your broader protections by the legal system. If you go along quietly, you're in a much better position to defend yourself later before a judge, than if you go kicking and screaming.

This is not to say that people should be quiet in the face of totalitarian treatment by their own sworn protectors, but generally speaking you personally will come out better by engaging the law via the court, rather than physically struggling at the moment of confrontation.

I don't agree here with you here. Your rights do not end once you are detained whether that detainment is legal or illegal. Where is the other side of the social contract regarding the way those who are chosen to enforce the laws interact with the people? There are many cases and stories, although not very popular in media, of people resisting arrest and sometimes legally engaging law enforcement with deadly force. I do agree that most of the time it is much better to argue your case before a judge rather than curbside with an enforcement officer of a law who may be acting in good faith, but that is not always a guarantee, hence those extra rights you have for those situations.

I think people should comply with any lawful order.

Absolutely, but what happens when the law is unjust or immoral? What is your recourse or action other than to suffer under the penalties and punishment?

Obviously, you have to assess what is at stake and use your best judgment. For me, it is a no-brainer. I would have put down the golf club because that would produce the best outcome for me. Then again, I am not a 70-year old black guy. Given his age, he has likely had to put up with some sh!t in his lifetime, and the idea of acquiescing to a bullish!t command may have been more unpleasant for him than going to jail. We all have to draw the line somewhere.

I liked your post the best. This older gentleman saw no room for the level of BS the officer was trying to snare him in or serve him. I think the key here is he is from a very different generation, straight up come and take it. He knew what was at stake.

[Juggertha]

Absolutely, but what happens when the law is unjust or immoral? What is your recourse or action other than to suffer under the penalties and punishment?

Then I have to make a judgement call. Is violating worth the damage it will do? Do I feel strongly that the law is wrong?

If I feel strongly about something, I have no issues with going to prison for it. An example would be home/family defense - If the law sided against me, I would not care. My priorities would be to safeguard my family, and then deal with the consequences.