Interesting facts about Charlie Hebdo Shooting

[whyalwaysmeque]

Anybody who's had experience with ballistics or has served in the Armed Forces knows that profuse bleeding from gunshots wounds is not a cut-and-dry conversation. Particularly when it comes to the head.

Furthermore, the original video was uploaded in VGA (640x480) and taken from a considerable distance. There simply is not enough pixel data available to show minute details, especially color, from such a distance. This is a very redundant theme that seems to take place with all sorts of attacks. I find it rather absurd and embarrassing that every single time a travesty happens, there are the same old crowd trying to denounce it via internet detective work.

It seems salient that the CT crowd imagine this to be a product of a world-wide conspiracy that is organized by, generally, the same group of powers-that-be. Thus, if they're willing to kill thousands of innocent people on the shores of their homeland (USA), surely they're willing to expend the life of a random officer or paid actor in order to give the conspiracy some credence. Pretending to kill the officer has absolutely no logical implication in the entire event whatsoever; unless you create one.

I.E - He was taken alive and he knew too much so he was silenced behind the scenes. Same old story, same old theme. Embarrassing. Get a grip, grasshopper.

[Kiknskreem]

Uhh, a muzzle blast does go in the direction of the bullet. Some goes out the sides as well.

"Must only go in the direction of the bullet."

I'd have thought that meaning would have been pretty clear based on the entirety of the conversation but I guess I had to spell it out.

[Kiknskreem]

There are no false claims in the op vid. His claim is that there is no blood in the clip, which is true.

He claims Ahmed wasn't shot.

BRB... can't see bullet wound from one angle taken at a distance, therefore, we can definitively conclude that he wasn't shot!

Conspirotards gonna conspirotard.

[metco]

He claims Ahmed wasn't shot.

BRB... can't see bullet wound from one angle taken at a distance, therefore, we can definitively conclude that he wasn't shot!

Conspirotards gonna conspirotard.

Rhetorical hocus pocus. Not a speck of blood, not an inch of motion from the impact, dust kicks up looking like that's where the round hit. Simplest explanation is the likeliest. That's where the round hit.

The irony is the entire world, unfortunately, knows what it looks like when your head gets hit by a high velocity bullet. Head snaps, blood sprays, pieces of head come off. If they hadn't shot JFK in front of the world you might get away with your blarney.

[Lakersbake]

Brb getting hit by 7.62x39 and not moving a millimeter.

[USAPump]

Rhetorical hocus pocus. Not a speck of blood, not an inch of motion from the impact, dust kicks up looking like that's where the round hit. Simplest explanation is the likeliest. That's where the round hit.

The irony is the entire world, unfortunately, knows what it looks like when your head gets hit by a high velocity bullet. Head snaps, blood sprays, pieces of head come off. If they hadn't shot JFK in front of the world you might get away with your blarney.

So I take it you are now an expert on ballistics who has personally been to the shooting site to measure everything?


Pls go back to watching movies where people explode and get pushed back 10 feet when they get shot

[USAPump]

Brb getting hit by 7.62x39 and not moving a millimeter.

What is there to move into besides the floor?

He was shot downward into the head while on the floor.



btw here is the better quality vid

http://bit.ly/1zTxaAe

[pimpinbig]

Brb getting hit by 7.62x39 and not moving a millimeter.

I was shot in the leg less than 3 ft away and the 7.62 passed thru and thru.

ITT: A bunch a keyboard warriors that have never seen a day of combat are suddenly ballistic experts that graduated from I Googled It University

[metco]

I was shot in the leg less than 3 ft away and the 7.62 passed thru and thru.

ITT: A bunch a keyboard warriors that have never seen a day of combat are suddenly ballistic experts that graduated from I Googled It University

Look at the size of the block of ballistics gel. Blows it five feet like it was a coke can.

[Darkhare]

I dont. The main thing is that there is no visible wound from the 7.62 round.

officer is wearing a vest likely? thick jacket cause it's winter.

and factS.. this is just one shifty video.

I do enjoy questioning the standard story but this case has never seemed suspicious at all to me. the bumbling and panic around the police response just seems so genuine to me.

unlike sandy hook where everything was clean, calculated.. no storming of the moms house on tv, nothing. way too clinical.

[pimpinbig]

Look at the size of the block of ballistics gel. Blows it five feet like it was a coke can.

SMDH

http://www.thebangswitch.com/underst...allistics-gel/


When you have been in combat, been shot, come back and chat. Once recovered a teens body, 3 torso entry/exit wounds, little to no blood loss. Once recovered a body with what might have been a .22 or .25 wound and bled like a stuck pig. like another poster said: Real world ballistics are complicated. no two situations are the same.

[metco]

SMDH

http://www.thebangswitch.com/underst...allistics-gel/


When you have been in combat, been shot, come back and chat. Once recovered a teens body, 3 torso entry/exit wounds, little to no blood loss. Once recovered a body with what might have been a .22 or .25 wound and bled like a stuck pig. like another poster said: Real world ballistics are complicated. no two situations are the same.

Yes all that is true. But it's not complicated in this case. Guy shot at cop's head. Missed. No fancy ballistic necessary.

[pimpinbig]

What is there to move into besides the floor?

He was shot downward into the head while on the floor.



btw here is the better quality vid

http://bit.ly/1zTxaAe

Bodies move very little when shot prone. people have been watching too many damn hollywood movies and think its real life.

http://www.military.com/video/operat...1065854012001/

[pimpinbig]

Yes all that is true. But it's not complicated in this case. Guy shot at cop's head. Missed. No fancy ballistic necessary.

You cant determine that from the video. Only an physical examination can confirm that. Stop watching CSI.

[metco]

You cant determine that from the video. Only an physical examination can confirm that. Stop watching CSI.

Never seen CSI in my life. I observe nature, motion, the principles of action-reaction, and what your eyes tell you is the guy shot and missed. It is always easy to seize on the 1% chance something unlikely happened, but Occam's Razor says the simplest explanation is the likeliest. Round kicks up dust, yea I've seen that, everytime I've shot into the ground or concrete. Target doesn't budge even a millimeter, you missed. Round hit the bricks. Simple. Not 100%, without physical examination, you are right. But pretty close.

[Darkhare]

This is what your head looks like when a high velocity round hits it. Sometimes a little more, sometimes a little less. Sometimes more blood, sometimes less. But it doesn't lay stock-still like a mannequin, apparently untouched while something looking suspiciously like a round hitting the pavement kicks up next to it. The safe conclusion is that was the round. Are people here really that stupid?

where is blood splatter from the first shot? only looks like he's having a heart attack.. OMG FAKE FIRST BULLET

[Kiknskreem]

Look at the size of the block of ballistics gel.

I'm looking at it. Looks like it would weigh a small fraction of what a grown ass man would weigh.

Your point?

[Kiknskreem]

Oh gee, look at all that dust. Guy ought to get his gun looked at if his rounds are exiting the muzzle and immediately turning 90 degrees right into the ground!

Oh wait, its just the muzzle blast.

[Kiknskreem]

Occam's Razor says the simplest explanation is the likeliest.

That's rich coming from a conspiracy whackjob like yourself.

[Darkhare]

Never seen CSI in my life. I observe nature, motion, the principles of action-reaction, and what your eyes tell you is the guy shot and missed. It is always easy to seize on the 1% chance something unlikely happened, but Occam's Razor says the simplest explanation is the likeliest. Round kicks up dust, yea I've seen that, everytime I've shot into the ground or concrete. Target doesn't budge even a millimeter, you missed. Round hit the bricks. Simple. Not 100%, without physical examination, you are right. But pretty close.

the simplest solution is this.. guy is 200lbs, he's hit with an fmj round that passes clean thru his head, neck or torso. in and out, no explosion.

Your ballistics vid showed a 15lb block of gel being moved.. it was also hit with hollow point ammo.

These terrorists guys most likely have army surplus ammunnition which is all full metal jacket and won't expand like the hollow points.


Maybe the simplest solution is this: lunatic muzzie runs around, shoots cop and takes off.. not some well organized acting job where he pretends to execute a cop by dangerously shooting just feet past his head.

[metco]

Oh gee, look at all that dust. Guy ought to get his gun looked at if his rounds are exiting the muzzle and immediately turning 90 degrees right into the ground!

Oh wait, its just the muzzle blast.

Now you are trying too hard. That dust from the gas ports, on bare ground, looks nothing like the projectile striking the concrete. The question is, why are you trying so hard? I already admitted it was not 100%. You seem interested in trying to dispel any notion that the official story is not true, whatsoever. Why not just say 'yea, looks like it hit the sidewalk, but it might not have?'

Also the fact that the frames were edited out by LE should tell you they are trying to hide something. Oh right, gore TV, oh wait, no gore...

[ihamil]

What are yall thinking? George Bush? Cheney?

Logged into say, lmao

[Kiknskreem]

Occam's Razor says the simplest explanation is the likeliest.

Yea, a massive false flag conspiracy is a lot simpler than you just not knowing wtf you're talking about.

Good show, chap.

[ClownToucher]

You CTers are mentally ill. You all display the same EXACT symptoms.

-Manic obsession/excitement over every random, far-fetched, half-cocked, retarded "theory"
-Manic obsession with terrible sources and crap websites
-Manic obsession with "seeking the truth" when actually doing the opposite
-Manic obsession with Jews, banksters, illuminati, freemasons, aliens, lizards and the moon
-Manic obsession with bull****, untested supplements that cure everything from cancer to hemorrhoids
-Manic obsession with finding clues purposely left behind by the illuminati
-Manic obsession with coming up with bizarre theories and then twisting logic into pretzels to support your bizarre theories
-Manic obsession with colloidal silver

I forget what else I'm missing. You guys crack me up. Please continue telling me more about false flag operations conducted by lizard people hiding behind the Hale Bopp comet and how big pharma Jews are trying to reduce the world population by poisoning the water with fake vaccines made from JFK's DNA.

[metco]

You CTers are mentally ill. You all display the same EXACT symptoms.

-Manic obsession/excitement over every random, far-fetched, half-cocked, retarded "theory"
-Manic obsession with terrible sources and crap websites
-Manic obsession with "seeking the truth" when actually doing the opposite
-Manic obsession with Jews, banksters, illuminati, freemasons, aliens, lizards and the moon
-Manic obsession with bull****, untested supplements that cure everything from cancer to hemorrhoids
-Manic obsession with finding clues purposely left behind by the illuminati
-Manic obsession with coming up with bizarre theories and then twisting logic into pretzels to support your bizarre theories
-Manic obsession with colloidal silver

I forget what else I'm missing. You guys crack me up. Please continue telling me more about false flag operations conducted by lizard people hiding behind the Hale Bopp comet and how big pharma Jews are trying to reduce the world population by poisoning the water with fake vaccines made from JFK's DNA.

You are too stupid to bother with. List of preconceived, erroneous notions on what a "CT-er" is so you can avoid thinking. Dumb fuk.

[metco]

Yea, a massive false flag conspiracy is a lot simpler than you just not knowing wtf you're talking about.

Good show, chap.

You just changed the subject. The simplest explanation for what looks like a bullet hitting the sidewalk, is a bullet hitting the sidewalk. Once this is established as likely, you know it is also likely that other parts of the story are a lie too.

As for the likelihood of false flag attacks, it is 100% established that they are conducted. You have conveniently failed to address the existence of Operation Northwoods, Gladio, the USS Liberty attack, the Lavon Affair, and the King David Hotel, all false flag attack plans by the elements of the US or European governments upon their own people, or by Israel upon allies. Why is that? Go ahead, say it. Say "Operation Northwoods" just once.

US Joint Chiefs of Staff, Operation Northwoods:
http://www2.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/

"It is possible to create an incident which will demonstrate convincingly that a Cuban aircraft has attacked and shot down a chartered civil airliner enroute from the United States to Jamaica, Guatemala, Panama or Venezuela. The destination would be chosen only to cause the flight plan route to cross Cuba. The passengers could be a group of college students off on a holiday or any grouping of persons with a common interest to support chartering a non-scheduled flight."

[Kiknskreem]

The simplest explanation for what looks like a bullet hitting the sidewalk, is a bullet hitting the sidewalk.

Muzzle blast kicking up debris is no more complicated than a round kicking up debris.

[metco]

Muzzle blast kicking up debris is no more complicated than a round kicking up debris.

lol you still didn't say the words. Say them once, so I know you heard me. "Operation Northwoods." Otherwise you are just a fukkiing shill with an agenda.

[Kiknskreem]

Otherwise you are just a fukkiing shill with an agenda.

Whoa, what a shocking accusation from one of the resident conspiracy nuts.

Take your meds bro.

[ClownToucher]

You are too stupid to bother with. List of preconceived, erroneous notions on what a "CT-er" is so you can avoid thinking. Dumb fuk.

Oh look, another freaked out manic CTer. What a shock. It's funny you say that because I feel the same way dealing with CTers. Too many preconceived, erroneous notions and too stupid, manic and freakish to bother with seriously.

I've made the mistake of debating delusional CT creeps in the past and it's always futile. Complete rejection of logic, wild and baseless accusations and just a general sense of nuttery. Why are you all the same?