Money by itself is just paper, but why does it matter so much exactly?
It is literally more freedom to the individual. Freedom of expression (clothes, cars, houses, etc.), freedom of exploration (traveling), and freedom of free time (entrepreneurship). But this is not even including how you no longer have to bow down to authority. No bosses whose sh*t you have to gulp. Do you have a problem with the government giving you orders? No problem. A generous donation and things can be made possible. In fact, it is not so much different from aristocracy. The wealthy and the bourgeoisie have the advantage in every situation, while the poverty has no power except their great numbers. But I won't rant more about that, I think you people can understand why money is so lovely.
But this begs the disagreements of the people who do not want to live in poverty when they say something like:
"Money isn't the most important thing"
"Money doesn't bring happiness, the best things in life are free"
etc. etc.
Lets debunk:
Friends
Many people are convinced that friends somehow use you more when you have money. Lol just LOL if you believe that friendship isn't something simply parasitic. We ALL use each other in one way or another. Think about it. Why do we have friends? There are a couple of reasons:
-You need somebody to talk to. You treat your friend as a psychologist and/or an adviser so you don't get depressed in your own solitude. Yes this means trusting them too. A psychologist isn't allowed to disclose patients information.
-You need somebody to go out with. You feel awkward going alone to certain activities or events, so you use your friends to go to those. Restaurants, cafes, and bars are perfect examples.
-You use them for fun. You are bored and alone, but you want to go out and have fun! But often times the fun isn't quite the same without a social partner.
So then who cares if your friends are your friends for your money? Just use them for what they are worth, and have a good time. Save your secrets and deep conversation for yourself or an expensive therapist, because even the friends who don't use you for your money will often break your trust.
Girls
Oh we are all so scared of the infamous gold digger! But why? Every woman you have ever been with has judged you by the way you look, the way you talk, and your overall personality. How does make them any less shallow than women who want a man who has money? It's the same thing really. If you found a woman that you truly love and can conversate with, then be with her. Maybe even marry her. If she is simply looking out for money and the personalities won't click, then the conversations will be dull and you won't like her anyway. Does this mean you have a guarantee that she won't cheat on you? No. Do you have a guarantee your wife won't cheat on you if you're poor? No. It's all the same. Why do we even have girls around? There are a couple of reasons:
-You need somebody to talk to. You treat your friend as a psychologist and/or an adviser so you don't get depressed in your own solitude. Yes this means trusting them too. A psychologist isn't allowed to disclose patients information. (yes, same as friend)
-You need to satisfy your sexual desires.
-You want to create children and pass down your blood.
-You want company around the house that will show you affection.
-You want somebody to do chores and make you food (srs).
You can get all of that WITHOUT even having a woman in your life! Therapists, adoption/egg donors, chefs/maids, and escorts. Escorts even have dinners and go to social events with you, they treat you like you're the most important thing in the world to them. They will do what you want and how you want, no questions asked.
But again, wives are also an option. Just put a "no cheating clause" in your marriage contract and fine them heavily if they do, that way when you dump her a** you actually make a profit.
Health
Somehow people are under the impression that being wealthy automatically means that your health is a lot worse. This is not true. Can you be wealthy and have poor health because of how you attain that wealth? Yes. Can you be poor and have poor health because of how you live? Very much yes.
As if working long hours and sucking on your bosses c*ck 80 hrs a week is somehow more healthy than when you're wealthy.
Brb, let me:
-Eat the best and most natural foods in the world, while you gulp down processed Mcdonalds.
-Hire a nutritionist and an actual athlete personal trainer so I won't have to try as hard to be fit.
-Go to massages and spas so that my body develops well and all the tension in my body is released.
-Go to private hospitals where I can afford actual good medicine.
-Manicures, skin rejuvenation, haircuts, detox clinics, best dental care, etc etc.
No, but you keep convincing yourself that somehow your lack of wealth gives you a more healthy life.
The only thing somebody can argue is more important than money is family.
Family cannot be replaced, but guess what, your strong drive for making money and having lots of money will IN THE END BENEFIT YOUR FAMILY. IT HELPS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY. Does that not just add to the value to money in general even if family is the most important thing in your life?
cliffs:
-money is the most important thing in life
-friends and sloots are parasitic creatures that can easily be replaced
-the claim that money=unhappiness and poor health is a fallacy
-read the OP if you want better detail
I still stand by my claim. Money=Happiness. Call it cynical and bad, but that's just the way it is. There is nothing more valuable than money in this world. PLEASE try and prove me wrong. Religious claims about gluttony and greed will be laughed at and disregarded.
Enjoy the discussion.
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01-19-2015, 04:31 PM #1
In life, there is NOTHING more important than money (100% srs).
Due to the shallowness of humanity, it can be concluded that the only important thing in life is to satisfy your primitive desires.
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You're born alone and you die alone and this world just drops a bunch of rules on top of you to make you forget those facts. But I never forget. I'm living like there's no tomorrow, because there isn't one.
You're still fighting death. It's a battle you're going to lose.
It doesn't matter how much you accomplish - whether they build memorials for you or nobody remembers your name. It's useless to you when you're dead. Whether you suffer or succeed (or both), it really doesn't matter. Your ego will still want more, your fears will still creep in, your mind will wander and emotions will come and go.
Everything you do is a waste of your time. Bodybuilding, seducing beautiful women, making lots of money, having a supporting community, family, improving the world. These things are just preoccupations, little games we play with ourselves, as much as watching TV or eating until we're obese. They try to satisfy similar itches and they're similarly useless against death.
Worse yet, some part of you knows it. No matter what your goals, no matter how successful you are at them, you'll still feel some longing. Like you're missing something. Your ego is never truly satisfied. Eventually you'll realize that your goal was trivial, that life goes on regardless.
Once you truly don't care what the outcome is, then you're free to do anything. But you have to hit that rock bottom first. You have to understand that starving is the same as eating, boredom is the same as excitement, rejection is the same as love. Slightly different chemicals floating around in a squishy sausage casing.
Nothing you ever do will be enough, nothing you ever do will prevent death from consuming everything that you are. When you finally come to terms with this, the freedom that comes with it is much more intense. People usually accept this harsh truth in their last years of life, if at all. Accept it while you still can. The greatest risk you can make in life, is not to risk it at all.WertDerFerk mane...
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It's easier to enjoy life when you're financially stable
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01-19-2015, 04:38 PM #11
Lol at implying that a simple degree will somehow give you good job security...
Let's ignore...
-Changing market demand
-Being fired/replaced by somebody better
-Your field becoming obsolete through technology and/or outsourcing. They're already doing that with doctors/physicians, engineers, IT specialists, and customer service.
As for benefits, well if you're wealthy enough the benefits that you receive at your job will be laughable.
Instead of selling a product or service, by finding jobs you're trying to sell yourself and your time through resumes and interviews. Except you'll never have passive income or exponential growth, and you'll be the product instead of haggling a product yourself.Due to the shallowness of humanity, it can be concluded that the only important thing in life is to satisfy your primitive desires.
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01-19-2015, 04:45 PM #17
Nah it's really not that simple.
One thing I will agree with is that ambition is important - the "nice guy myth" is that you can basically just "do whatever you want" and be happy if you're a really "nice person", but that's not true. And guys who demonize wealth are just secretly jealous because they'll never have it (sour grapes).
Truth though is that money, women, cars, etc are just entertainment - if you do something for too long then the "buzz" wears off (just like how a drug user has to keep doing more and more just to get the same high). Think back when you were a kid and you played your first Playstation game - when you were a kid it was fascinating and the best thing ever - but as an adult sitting alone in your room playing the same game over and over would kill you of boredom.
At that point you no longer do it because you really love it - you just do it because you're dependent on it for alleviating your boredom. People really crave purpose and novelty in their life, more than doing any 1 thing indefinite - so once you become numb to the dopamine rush it provides you'll wind up feeling bored if money, just for the sake of having money is your only ambition. The happiest rich people aren't happy just because "they're rich" - they're happy because they became rich by doing something they love and are really passionate about (ex. Hollywood actors, athletes, etc - none of them started doing their career because they "just wanted to get rich" - they all really loved what they were doing since they were kids).
If it were really that simple you won't have any rich people killing themselves. If you don't have any purpose in your life behind it all, then "stuff" in and over itself loses its charm overtime and you end up feeling empty.
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The only argument I could possibly muster against this good post is this: Time is money. By working more hours to attain more money, you lose the freedom to not be working and doing something else you'd rather do instead. Money may mean freedom, but the pursuit of money for most people has clear consequences regarding the opportunity cost of hours worked to attain it.
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01-19-2015, 04:49 PM #19
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
you'll NEVER find someone on their deathbed wishing they had more money. those things that you can't buy will always be the things that matter the most.
think back to the most awesome time you've had in your life. now think about how much money you had in your pocket. see? when you get some years under your belt you'll understand but right now you're probably dreaming about buying bottle service at a Vegas club so I can't really convince you otherwise.
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It is in essence the point of my argument. You will NEVER be wealthy by working for somebody. You will NEVER make more than $750,000 working for somebody else. It has to be a business. When you have a business, you are no longer directly trading time for money like you do when you work for somebody.
True. We get used to things very easily. So just pursue higher amounts of wealth to get the rush? There is more money than there is time in the world.
People killed themselves because they got depressed. With money, there are many ways to deal with this depression, they just never sought out any help.
Are you implying that people that live in poverty never get depressed or kill themselves either?
We just hear the stories of the wealth killing themselves because the people are actually important members of society.Due to the shallowness of humanity, it can be concluded that the only important thing in life is to satisfy your primitive desires.
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01-19-2015, 05:01 PM #24
LMAO I know plumbers, welders, and retired military who are millionaires. Save more than you spend and invest. you WILL be rich if you do this. Also, there are plenty of EMPLOYEES who clear over a million in SALARY. Examples are executives/ceos/cfos who DO NOT OWN THE BUSINESS BUT WERE HIRED!! lmao at your delusions. There are business owners who make less than minimum wage and employees with degrees who make millions a year. It all comes down to hustle and work
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01-19-2015, 05:07 PM #27
That is up to you and you only. You can decide if you're special enough to own your own business. Or you can assume failure and continue working. All depends on how much you can't tolerate your current circumstances.
Oh okay. Yes, the waiting game. That is an option. Save and save. Invest. Wait for interest to add up. Wait for the promotions. Wait and save. Wait and save. Work hard diligently for YEARS to MAYBE get an ever so slight TASTE of wealth.
Then by the time you'll be 60 years old, you'll barely afford a decent Mercedes while you drive and the wind will flow through your balding head and wrinkly face as you drive to Walgreens to pick up your Viagra.
You are still trading time for money. No point in doing that.
What's the point of money if it can't be enjoyed during the best years of your life?Due to the shallowness of humanity, it can be concluded that the only important thing in life is to satisfy your primitive desires.
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