abortion. for or against it?

[holtmcg]

It's not that hard to get really, would you be okay with parents killing their month old kids if they decide they don't want it anymore? Pro-life people see this as the same as abortion (and it is very arguably the same in the case of late terms)

Now, killing their one month old child IS infanticide. Choosing to abort a child who isn't even cognitive is NOT the same thing. Also, third trimester abortions are very, very rare and in most cases are done to save the life of the mother.

[Ochosiete]

Personally ...I'm just happy I was never faced with that decision

[ZenBowman]

Personally ...I'm just happy I was never faced with that decision

I think most people understand on a personal level that it is immoral unless done to save the child from a lifetime of suffering (some rare genetic disease).

However, forcing someone to carry a child to term is also immoral. Forcing a child to grow up in poverty is also immoral.

So it is a value judgment placing one immorality against another. It goes without saying that I find abortion-for-convenience abhorrent, but I find the prospect of people who would consider doing that raising children to be even more horrific.

No child should have to feel abandoned, unloved, or uncared for. Once we reach that goal, I will be firmly pro-life.

[Caxoo]

Now, killing their one month old child IS infanticide. Choosing to abort a child who isn't even cognitive is NOT the same thing. Also, third trimester abortions are very, very rare and in most cases are done to save the life of the mother.

They think one of the following:
- cognition isn't the threshold, but rather the fact that it's human life (a rather weak argument yeah)
- cognition isn't the threshold, but rather potential viability (on the path to becoming a person)
- cognition thresholds are poorly defined by current standards and we risk killing plenty of babies in the middle grey area after early and before late

EDIT: furthermore it's important to recognize that very late-term abortions are equatable to infanticide, even if for the right reasons

[WizardSleeves]

U serious OP? Ever experienced the fear of having a girl miss their period? Of course abortions should be legal; no way do I want to derail my life for a stupid mistake people make every day. I and most people who have sex are not ready for a child. And to people who say it's murder so is cumming in a condom. Pregnancy is an automatic biological process, and I don't consider it alive until it has thoughts of its own so that embryo can go f uck itself until then. Also why would you want to clog up an already broken adoption system with more homeless babies?

[holtmcg]

EDIT: furthermore it's important to recognize that very late-term abortions are equatable to infanticide, even if for the right reasons

No they aren't. Infanticide, by law, is that the baby has been born and is under a certain age. Late term abortion = unborn baby. Not that hard to understand.

[StrongPost]

Pro choice

[Caxoo]

No they aren't. Infanticide, by law, is that the baby has been born and is under a certain age. Late term abortion = unborn baby. Not that hard to understand.

Yes by law they are of course different, otherwise every late term abortion would result in jail time. Equatable in the fact that they have similar levels of cognition, not that hard to understand

[eLjay28]

For my situation I am against. I am a grown ass man and responsible for my decisions, will never abort or try to convince someone to.

For others I am on the fence. I feel it promotes stupid decision making but also cannot stand seeing children not being raised correctly.

Morally im against it as I believe women and men need to be responsible for their actions and standards for sexual partners but ...idiots gonna idiot.

[ClownToucher]

Abortion is for selfish sloots who can't keep their legs closed. It is supremely evil and self centered to conveniently destroy a living human, your own child because you went and got yourself knocked up. And don't come at me about rape. That is an extremely rare reason given for abortions.

[AGstrong]

I think most people understand on a personal level that it is immoral unless done to save the child from a lifetime of suffering (some rare genetic disease).

However, forcing someone to carry a child to term is also immoral. Forcing a child to grow up in poverty is also immoral.

So it is a value judgment placing one immorality against another. It goes without saying that I find abortion-for-convenience abhorrent, but I find the prospect of people who would consider doing that raising children to be even more horrific.

No child should have to feel abandoned, unloved, or uncared for. Once we reach that goal, I will be firmly pro-life.

now im not religious, but i do believe that nature works in a very specific way and we shouldnt be fuking with it.

abortion is fuking with nature. many "unloved, uncared for" children have grown up to change the world.

if out of 100 abortions there is 1 abortion that could have grown up to have a positive influence on the world then i dont agree with abortion.

[GardHainer]

It's not that hard to get really, would you be okay with parents killing their month old kids if they decide they don't want it anymore? Pro-life people see this as the same as abortion (and it is very arguably the same in the case of late terms)

lmao

[GardHainer]

now im not religious, but i do believe that nature works in a very specific way and we shouldnt be fuking with it.

abortion is fuking with nature. many "unloved, uncared for" children have grown up to change the world.

if out of 100 abortions there is 1 abortion that could have grown up to have a positive influence on the world then i dont agree with abortion.

Who are you to decide what nature intended?

So youre willing to let 99 people suffer on the off chance one of them wont, you sound like a great person.

[JMAG90]

now im not religious, but i do believe that nature works in a very specific way and we shouldnt be fuking with it.

abortion is fuking with nature. many "unloved, uncared for" children have grown up to change the world.

if out of 100 abortions there is 1 abortion that could have grown up to have a positive influence on the world then i dont agree with abortion.

If you think that having the worst of our gene pool provide 80% of our birth rate is what nature intended than I have some bad newz.

Darwinism, not even once.

[Elevorett]

350% Pro-choice. If it's not happening to you, it's not your business anyhow. (referring to abortion).

There is FAR too much religious influence in politics, which is finding its way into the beds of citizens, and infecting personal lives and personal, delicate decisions. (Not assuming all pro-life advocates are religious).

[AGstrong]

So youre willing to let 99 people suffer on the off chance one of them wont, you sound like a great person.

yes i am. for all you know that 1 person could end up saving 1000 people from suffering.

[Heaney]

For, through experience

[J1992]

Son or abortion

Cant believe it took 51 responses.

[holtmcg]

yes i am. for all you know that 1 person could end up saving 1000 people from suffering.

Wow... And people say those who get abortions are selfish...


Jesus Christ I can't believe some of the responses I'm reading ITT. Embarrassing. Absolutely embarrassing.

[RU4A69]

Pro-choice.

The accusation of abortion being murder falls flat on its face because up until the 24th week fetuses can't feel pain.

So if I kill someone stoned on heroin, it's not murder because they can't feel pain?

[GardHainer]

yes i am. for all you know that 1 person could end up saving 1000 people from suffering.

For all you know that 1 person could make 1,000,000 people suffer...

[AGstrong]

For all you know that 1 person could make 1,000,000 people suffer...

all hypothetical.. the point im making is you shouldnt get to decide who gets the chance at life and who doesnt, even if its one of your own.

[Hesher]

No they aren't. Infanticide, by law, is that the baby has been born and is under a certain age. Late term abortion = unborn baby. Not that hard to understand.

In a late term abortion, they extract the baby feet first, leaving its head in the woman.

They then will typically ram a pair of scissors into the skull to kill it.

Then they pull it the rest of the way out.

How is that not murder, when delivering it head first, and then piercing its skull while one foot is inside the mother would clearly be murder?

In what world do you do that to save the life of the mother, when you are having the birth take place in its entirety? The baby being born alive or dead makes no difference to the health of the mother.

[holtmcg]

all hypothetical.. the point im making is you shouldnt get to decide who gets the chance at life and who doesnt, even if its one of your own.

Uh, yeah you should get to decide. After all, it's THEIR body. They should be allowed to choose whatever they please.

[Caxoo]

In what world do you do that to save the life of the mother, when you are having the birth take place in its entirety? The baby being born alive or dead makes no difference to the health of the mother.

There are cases where the contractions and processes of childbear will potentially harm the mother, therefore it's safer to abort and take the fetus out without going through the birth itself

[cookiefiend]

There are cases where the contractions and processes of childbear will potentially harm the mother, therefore it's safer to abort and take the fetus out without going through the birth itself

they have to go through the child birth process anyway in this case. Wouldn't a C-section make more sense?

[AGstrong]

Uh, yeah you should get to decide. After all, it's THEIR body. They should be allowed to choose whatever they please.

im not even going to attempt to rebut that argument...

I'm guess there is a list of reasons why you need feminism??

[ZenBowman]

all hypothetical.. the point im making is you shouldnt get to decide who gets the chance at life and who doesnt, even if its one of your own.

By that reasoning, contraception should also be banned. What if that magical sperm of yours would perfectly penetrate the egg and create a virtuoso who would save all humanity?

The best reason to be against abortion is not "what if the child is going to be the next Einstein?", but rather because when done for convenience (which are the majority of cases), it demonstrates a disrespect for life, even if done at a time the child cannot feel pain.

My argument is just that until we create a world where we respect the living beings who are already here, we shouldn't force others to bring more into the world on the grounds of "what ifs".

Ideally, we would have zero abortions. How we get to that is where we disagree.

[GardHainer]

all hypothetical.. the point im making is you shouldnt get to decide who gets the chance at life and who doesnt, even if its one of your own.

So you are for abortion then?

Against abortion is against having a choice.

[Hesher]

There are cases where the contractions and processes of childbear will potentially harm the mother, therefore it's safer to abort and take the fetus out without going through the birth itself

You mean like a c-section? But killing the baby first?

Can we get some opinions in here from people other than myself who have actually witnessed child birth? For fukk's sake....