Lean bulk stack: ArA + ABE + GMS + LCLT

[greekbrah91]

So tomorrow I'm planning on starting a stack of ArA + ABE + GMS + LCLT. I had a few questions regarding dosages/timing:

1. The GMS I have is the micronized kind from Analyzed Supplements. One servings = 3.3g, should I be taking one or two servings? I believe the recommended dosage of GMS is 6g, but I'm not sure whether or not the fact that it's "micronized" makes a difference.
2. Can I take my GMS with caffeine? I usually like to have a couple cups of coffee pre-workout.
3. It says to take two caps of ABE with my two biggest meals, but I've heard of people taking two caps pre-workout instead of with a meal. Which is more optimal?
4. I took 2g LCLT pre-workout w/ my last ArA run (this will be my second). I've since heard that the optimal amount is actually 3g LCLT? Is this true?

Thanks guys!

[Gwyndane]

i noticed zero difference when taking ara w/ or w/o lclt/gms...

[greekbrah91]

i noticed zero difference when taking ara w/ or w/o lclt/gms...

Well that's a little discouraging. How much were you dosing of each?

[Gwyndane]

Well that's a little discouraging. How much were you dosing of each?

why is it discouraging? o.O
do you honestly think 1-2 grams of lclt/gms will make a significant/noticeable difference? just stack it with PA... its cheaper and has a lot more benefits than gms/lclt

[NewAgeMayan]

On one hand I agree with gwyn, on the other hmm

If youve already purchased the stack, maybe look at it this way...when we assess our muscle growth via the mirror/tape/bathroom scales we are using pretty crude means by which to do so. You might call this the 'macro' scale of assessment. So you may not notice much growth at this scale during 8 or 10 weeks.

But who knows what is happening at the 'micro' scale. You mightve made some progress which isnt evident via crude measuring. Personally I wouldnt scoff at micro-scale improvements, especially if youre at a stage in your training where any growth is an achievement.

So it is possible that the GMS/lclt is having some sort of benefit, even if small. Your call whether that benefit is cost effective.

[gingersgym]

I have used both ArA and ABE, but not heard of GMS or LCLT?

what are they and whats their uses in said stack?

thanks

[aaronuconn]

So tomorrow I'm planning on starting a stack of ArA + ABE + GMS + LCLT. I had a few questions regarding dosages/timing:

1. The GMS I have is the micronized kind from Analyzed Supplements. One servings = 3.3g, should I be taking one or two servings? I believe the recommended dosage of GMS is 6g, but I'm not sure whether or not the fact that it's "micronized" makes a difference.
2. Can I take my GMS with caffeine? I usually like to have a couple cups of coffee pre-workout.
3. It says to take two caps of ABE with my two biggest meals, but I've heard of people taking two caps pre-workout instead of with a meal. Which is more optimal?
4. I took 2g LCLT pre-workout w/ my last ArA run (this will be my second). I've since heard that the optimal amount is actually 3g LCLT? Is this true?

Thanks guys!

I answered this earlier, but I'll just reply again.

1. 3-6g is fine. I've used 3g in the past.
2. Yes.
3. I personally go with directly before a meal to its GDA effects.
4. 3g LCLT yields ~2g carnitine. Go with 3g.

[greekbrah91]

I answered this earlier, but I'll just reply again.

1. 3-6g is fine. I've used 3g in the past.
2. Yes.
3. I personally go with directly before a meal to its GDA effects.
4. 3g LCLT yields ~2g carnitine. Go with 3g.

Haha I saw that, thanks. Did you ever see a difference between 3g and 6g of GMS? Or did you always just stick to 3g?

[aaronuconn]

Haha I saw that, thanks. Did you ever see a difference between 3g and 6g of GMS? Or did you always just stick to 3g?

Always just stuck with 3g.

[kissdadookie]

i noticed zero difference when taking ara w/ or w/o lclt/gms...

^ Same.

If you’re running ArA, just run the ArA. Stacking it with ABE is ok as well, since ABE has its own actions.

On one hand I agree with gwyn, on the other hmm

If youve already purchased the stack, maybe look at it this way...when we assess our muscle growth via the mirror/tape/bathroom scales we are using pretty crude means by which to do so. You might call this the 'macro' scale of assessment. So you may not notice much growth at this scale during 8 or 10 weeks.

But who knows what is happening at the 'micro' scale. You mightve made some progress which isnt evident via crude measuring. Personally I wouldnt scoff at micro-scale improvements, especially if youre at a stage in your training where any growth is an achievement.

So it is possible that the GMS/lclt is having some sort of benefit, even if small. Your call whether that benefit is cost effective.

When people point out any small gains is good when one has peaked, they really are not talking about miniscule/micro gains. They are still implying gains one can at least see on a scale.

I mean, if one wants to stack all that stuff, go right ahead, nobody is stopping you, but in all practical sense, IMO it doesn't add to an ArA run. Even LCLT solo doesn't do diddly squat and I used that for months. But hey, if one wants to take it for potential "gains" which don't manifest itself in any noticeable fashion, go right on ahead.

[xLGx]

I mean, if one wants to stack all that stuff, go right ahead, nobody is stopping you, but in all practical sense, IMO it doesn't add to an ArA run. Even LCLT solo doesn't do diddly squat and I used that for months. But hey, if one wants to take it for potential "gains" which don't manifest itself in any noticeable fashion, go right on ahead.

The LCLT (or 81mg baby aspirin) is there to act as an antiplatelet therapy during an ArA run to prevent prothrombotic pathways. LCLT also has other conditional benefits as well (eg: recovery) which can aid during an ArA cycle. It's not really there for "gains", so to speak.

To the OP: Soy lecithin as an emulsifier rather than GMS might be better in terms of LBM gains with the inclusion of PA.

[kissdadookie]

The LCLT (or 81mg baby aspirin) is there to act as an antiplatelet therapy during an ArA run to prevent prothrombotic pathways. LCLT also has other conditional benefits as well (eg: recovery) which can aid during an ArA cycle. It's not really there for "gains", so to speak.

To the OP: Soy lecithin as an emulsifier rather than GMS might be better in terms of LBM gains with the inclusion of PA.

In normal healthy/active individuals, is the prothrombotic pathways even a concern when using ArA?

Scratch that, looked at that Maximizing thread again, saw that neuron suggested it for the purpose of vasodilation.

[italianplaya30]

Lot of money on that stack...I hope your diet is on point...remember your nutrition is everything

[NewAgeMayan]

Muscular gainz only occur at a rate of perceivable chunks at a time.

ah, gotcha

[greekbrah91]

The LCLT (or 81mg baby aspirin) is there to act as an antiplatelet therapy during an ArA run to prevent prothrombotic pathways. LCLT also has other conditional benefits as well (eg: recovery) which can aid during an ArA cycle. It's not really there for "gains", so to speak.

To the OP: Soy lecithin as an emulsifier rather than GMS might be better in terms of LBM gains with the inclusion of PA.

I haven't really looked into Soy Lecithin, but I already have this stack so I'm thinking I'll just give it a go. It seems as though the popular notion is that ArA and ABE are the only two elements in this stack that are going to make any noticeable difference anyway. To be honest, I'm having second thoughts as to whether or not I should even bother with GMS or LCLT, although I could still take LCLT for additional benefits.

Lot of money on that stack...I hope your diet is on point...remember your nutrition is everything

Yessir!

[aaronuconn]

I haven't really looked into Soy Lecithin, but I already have this stack so I'm thinking I'll just give it a go. It seems as though the popular notion is that ArA and ABE are the only two elements in this stack that are going to make any noticeable difference anyway. To be honest, I'm having second thoughts as to whether or not I should even bother with GMS or LCLT, although I could still take LCLT for additional benefits.



Yessir!

If you have the GMS and LCLT, you may as well utilize them.

[NewAgeMayan]

If you have the GMS and LCLT, you may as well utilize them.

exactly

[kissdadookie]

ah, gotcha

So, gains that don't manifest itself on the scale or in lifts after several weeks you still count as gains? Gotcha. Makes sense. Micro gains that possibly isn't even there but you want to make them anyway just in case right?

Let me make go make that 45 grams of mass and 2 ounce strength increase after a few weeks right now. :P

[greekbrah91]

If you have the GMS and LCLT, you may as well utilize them.

Well, just mixed in one serving (3.3g) of my GMS with a cup of coffee + 1g ArA + 3g LCLT and going to lift in 30min or so, here we go.

Sidenote: How much GMS is in Katana v3? I used that as my pre-workout for my first ArA cycle and really liked it.

[kissdadookie]

OP, you bought the stuff, might as well use it. Things mentioned earlier are just things to think about the next time you decide to run ArA

[NewAgeMayan]

Let me make go make that 45 grams of mass and 2 ounce strength increase after a few weeks right now. :P

Bro I really wish I was still making noobie gains too, but at an advanced level it wont even be that^ much, but hey at least you are thinking along more realistic lines now :P

[kissdadookie]

Bro I really wish I was still making noobie gains too, but at an advanced level it wont even be that^ much, but hey at least you are thinking along more realistic lines now :P

Mmmhmmm. Glad you're able to track your gains in ounces on the bar and grams on the scale. Good job

[NewAgeMayan]

Mmmhmmm. Glad you're able to track your gains in ounces on the bar and grams on the scale. Good job

As to the former, yes, its called micro-loading. As to the latter, I wish, Id love to have access to the kind of micro-measuring equipment they use in hypertrophy studies, such as the latest ArA one

[kissdadookie]

As to the former, yes, its called micro-loading. As to the latter, I wish, Id love to have access to the kind of micro-measuring equipment they use in hypertrophy studies, such as the latest ArA on

Yeah, where the gains in the study was counted in grams and the strength measured were in increments of ounces. (joke people, joke, the gains were not measured with such units of measure).

[NewAgeMayan]

Look, if its any consolation I still love you in kilos and pounds.

[kissdadookie]

Look, if its any consolation I still love you in kilos and pounds.

LoL.

[XCriticalBenchX]

I've ran several runs of x-factor and have always noticed a big difference with GMS and LCLT. I use to use bulk, now I just use Hemavol for my GMS and Compete for my LCLT but it def adds a boost to the run IMO.

Mike

[greekbrah91]

I've ran several runs of x-factor and have always noticed a big difference with GMS and LCLT. I use to use bulk, now I just use Hemavol for my GMS and Compete for my LCLT but it def adds a boost to the run IMO.

Mike

Nice, what dosages were you running GMS & LCLT at? After reading up on PA this morning, I have a tub of Soy Lecithin coming in now as well. If it is in fact a better emulsifier than GMS in addition to having its own strength benefits, I will likely have an updated stack of ArA + ABE + PA + LCLT.

[XCriticalBenchX]

Nice, what dosages were you running GMS & LCLT at? After reading up on PA this morning, I have a tub of Soy Lecithin coming in now as well. If it is in fact a better emulsifier than GMS in addition to having its own strength benefits, I will likely have an updated stack of ArA + ABE + PA + LCLT.

I was doing 1 scoop of hemavol and 2 scoops of compete pre. I keep it simple

Mike

[BB12s]

I hope your diet is on point...remember your nutrition is everything

I was going to state the same thing ItalianPlaya. You'll reap the true benefits of all these supplements when everything else is on point.

I'm looking forward to seeing the results you have.