★★★ Official NEOGENIX Weekly Giveaway Thread (15 Bottles Every Month!) ★★★

[dailob]

15g of ergochain??? why so much lol

[Rob1882]

15g of ergochain??? why so much lol

Simple answer: because I can? lol

Is 2 scoops 7.5g per bodyforge 2.0 was also 7.5 per so more or less 2 scoops of each

I use a gram scale to measure everything

[robert5891]

So late start today but about to crush it


Today's moment



15g Bodyforge 2.0
15g ergochain ( For flavor srs )
8g Glycergrow2
5g L-Cit ( CM hooked me up and I feel I need to test out L-Cit norm only ever use Cit Mal )
25mg Ephedrine
3 caps Ergocut
2 caps Supremacy 2.0

Something to note other day I checked blood pressure while using the Ephedrine now normally with Yohimbine even at 20mg ish or so my blood pressure is actually low but on the ephedrine I notice an increase in blood pressure in the 130/76 range or so this was post cardio but on Yohimbine it's much lower just an observation as when I had taken Eph years back I never checked blood pressure.

Weigh in this morning 193# still - this morning managed to eat a steak egg & cheese mcmuffin on my way home been on the run all morning >< also ate a zero impact bar.

Last night I finished light again but I am determined to do better today got nice big T-Bone for this evening!! - last night finished at 2430 calories / 221g Protein / 205g Carbs / 86g Fat

Got myself an entire rotisserie turkey breast for post workout because merica

No carbonated water today Rob? tsk tsk...

[stan47islav]

So late start today but about to crush it


Today's moment



15g Bodyforge 2.0
15g ergochain ( For flavor srs )
8g Glycergrow2
5g L-Cit ( CM hooked me up and I feel I need to test out L-Cit norm only ever use Cit Mal )
25mg Ephedrine
3 caps Ergocut
2 caps Supremacy 2.0

Something to note other day I checked blood pressure while using the Ephedrine now normally with Yohimbine even at 20mg ish or so my blood pressure is actually low but on the ephedrine I notice an increase in blood pressure in the 130/76 range or so this was post cardio but on Yohimbine it's much lower just an observation as when I had taken Eph years back I never checked blood pressure.

Weigh in this morning 193# still - this morning managed to eat a steak egg & cheese mcmuffin on my way home been on the run all morning >< also ate a zero impact bar.

Last night I finished light again but I am determined to do better today got nice big T-Bone for this evening!! - last night finished at 2430 calories / 221g Protein / 205g Carbs / 86g Fat

Got myself an entire rotisserie turkey breast for post workout because merica

What kind of BP device you use? I've been looking to get one but there is a shyt ton of different ones with various ratings...

[compan]

Anyone else starting to notice that all the New Year Resolution gym goers are starting to thin out? My gym has been insanely packed (way way way more than usual) up until this past week it seems. Feelsgoodman

Just joined a new gym after my move and it seems to be empty already at mine.

[chzcake01]

Just joined a new gym after my move and it seems to be empty already at mine.

no better feeling than to walk into a near empty gym

[carguy123]

Just joined a new gym after my move and it seems to be empty already at mine.

no better feeling than to walk into a near empty gym

I love when the gym is empty, Friday night workouts are the best for this. Dream is to one day have my own basement gym

[dailob]

Simple answer: because I can? lol

i asked because 15 seems overkill vs. the usual 10g that is recommended for fasted workouts or whatever - and the usual spiel that is given that if you're eating enough protein, bcaas arent necessary

but you seem to have a supp stash like bb.com warehouse so i guess your simple answer makes sense haha

[Curl Master]

Simple answer: because I can? lol

Is 2 scoops 7.5g per bodyforge 2.0 was also 7.5 per so more or less 2 scoops of each

I use a gram scale to measure everything

which flavor of ergochain do you like the most

[Rob1882]

Part of that Turkey Breast btw - from my post workout meal :X

What kind of BP device you use? I've been looking to get one but there is a shyt ton of different ones with various ratings...

Don't have my own yet friend checked it.

Was going to get a Omron BP785 Series 10 if that helps any.

i asked because 15 seems overkill vs. the usual 10g that is recommended for fasted workouts or whatever - and the usual spiel that is given that if you're eating enough protein, bcaas arent necessary

but you seem to have a supp stash like bb.com warehouse so i guess your simple answer makes sense haha

<3

which flavor of ergochain do you like the most

Prob Pineapple Mango & Watermelon or Mojito they all pretty good

[Curl Master]

Just joined a new gym after my move and it seems to be empty already at mine.

I would go at times when less people would at the gym before I started to lift at home. Get gym to yourself and do have to annoying people that drop plates and dumbbells from full height, ect

[Msistine]

which flavor of ergochain do you like the most

2nd the vote for Mojito. It doesn't get as high ratings, but is delicious and perfect for intra. Sometimes when the mixes are too sweet I either have to water them down a ton or they just aren't as enjoyable to sip on like the Mojito Ergo.

Ordering more today.

[pisarcik.k]

15g of ergochain??? why so much lol

Sh*t, I use 20g EAAs and 20g pepto pro per training session along with 75g HBCDs...

[taydbear7]

Just joined a new gym after my move and it seems to be empty already at mine.

I love empty gym because you can fart at will.

[Rob1882]

Today's Moment



Weigh in this morning 193# finished last night at: 2770 Calories / 271g Protein / 153g Carbs / 114g Fat



Wanted to go with something different this morning for cardio

15g Bodyforge 2.0 Lemonade
15g BCAA
10g GAT Nitraflex Apple
25mg Ephedrine
2 Caps Supremacy 2.0

The Green Apple Nitraflex mixed with the Bodyforge Lemonade is AWESOME!!! Like tart sour apple juice really good.

Sh*t, I use 20g EAAs and 20g pepto pro per training session along with 75g HBCDs...

With you mentioning I should use more EAA intra had thought about getting bulk EAA powder right now the only EAA I have is Purple Wraath but thought with the amounts you mentioned I might be better off getting bulk powder.

[pisarcik.k]

Today's Moment



Weigh in this morning 193# finished last night at: 2770 Calories / 271g Protein / 153g Carbs / 114g Fat



Wanted to go with something different this morning for cardio

15g Bodyforge 2.0 Lemonade
15g BCAA
10g GAT Nitraflex Apple
25mg Ephedrine
2 Caps Supremacy 2.0

The Green Apple Nitraflex mixed with the Bodyforge Lemonade is AWESOME!!! Like tart sour apple juice really good.





With you mentioning I should use more EAA intra had thought about getting bulk EAA powder right now the only EAA I have is Purple Wraath but thought with the amounts you mentioned I might be better off getting bulk powder.

I do not feel it is NECESSARY, but if you are hitting multiple body parts in a given session you need to look at what is the optimal dose for recovery, not just for the entire session, but to ensure each muscle hit gets sufficient amino acids to facilitate recovery. I just know that if my intra workout nutrition is subpar, I will get very very sore, so I do what allows me to recover faster so i can hit each body part more frequently.

[Rob1882]

I do not feel it is NECESSARY, but if you are hitting multiple body parts in a given session you need to look at what is the optimal dose for recovery, not just for the entire session, but to ensure each muscle hit gets sufficient amino acids to facilitate recovery. I just know that if my intra workout nutrition is subpar, I will get very very sore, so I do what allows me to recover faster so i can hit each body part more frequently.

Well with adding days in 4-5 maybe some type of modified PHAT or something I will certainly be far more sore and if that will help I will certainly try it just once I am out of wraath will likely pickup bulk EAA see how it goes.

Right now been dosing 2 scoops wraath which is 14g

When I was unloading trucks I had seen some benefits with Purple Psyko at the time since I would hit the weights go to work unload trucks all evening and repeat the next day, so anything that might help I am more than willing to try out.

[pisarcik.k]

Well with adding days in 4-5 maybe some type of modified PHAT or something I will certainly be far more sore and if that will help I will certainly try it just once I am out of wraath will likely pickup bulk EAA see how it goes.

Right now been dosing 2 scoops wraath which is 14g

When I was unloading trucks I had seen some benefits with Purple Psyko at the time since I would hit the weights go to work unload trucks all evening and repeat the next day, so anything that might help I am more than willing to try out.

I don't like to look at anything as static and am all about experimenting to find out what works best for your body and training style. I feel one must keep an open mind and be willing to try new things to improve performance. PHAT is a great system and you will likely do very good with it. I know many people use it and love it, myself included. If you feel no improved recovery from added aminos, go back to normal, however i do feel you will notice improved recovery from added carbs from a high molecular weight carb like branched cyclic dextrins when you training sessions increase in intensity.

Prime nutrition has a product called Intra-MD, formulated by John Meadows ( a true innovator along with Dr. Scott Stevenson in the world of intra workout nutrition) that might be worth looking into. BB.com sells it.

Mountain Dog training is another style of training you may want to look into and Dr. Stevenson and John Meadows have a book / training program coming out very soon. Scott has his own e-book / training program called Fortitude Training.

[tmd17]

15g of ergochain??? why so much lol

Simple answer: because I can? lol

Is 2 scoops 7.5g per bodyforge 2.0 was also 7.5 per so more or less 2 scoops of each

I use a gram scale to measure everything

Lol this.

With an adequate protein intake, muscle soreness will simply decrease throughout a resistance training program since the body is adapting to the exercises. There's really no evidence out there showing BCAA's effectiveness in improving recovery if you're hitting 1.5-2g/kg/day of protein. This amount is enough to keep the body in a positive energy balance (protein synthesis > protein degradation).

Studies have even looked at intakes higher than 2g/kg/day and there's really no extra benefit in regards to body composition or strength changes. Even though Leucine is the primary driver of protein synthesis, supplementing with BCAA's with an adequate protein intake is really going to do nothing in the grand scheme of things.

[pisarcik.k]

Lol this.

With an adequate protein intake, muscle soreness will simply decrease throughout a resistance training program since the body is adapting to the exercises. There's really no evidence out there showing BCAA's effectiveness in improving recovery if you're hitting 1.5-2g/kg/day of protein. This amount is enough to keep the body in a positive energy balance (protein synthesis > protein degradation).

Studies have even looked at intakes higher than 2g/kg/day and there's really no extra benefit in regards to body composition or strength changes. Even though Leucine is the primary driver of protein synthesis, supplementing with BCAA's with an adequate protein intake is really going to do nothing in the grand scheme of things.

There is research that goes beyond simply protein synthesis to show the benefit of a recovery or intra workout supplement

Before responding, read these three articles written by Dr. Scott Stevenson as my philosophy stems from research that Scott sums up: http://www.elitefts.com/education/tr...tation-part-1/

http://www.elitefts.com/education/tr...tation-part-2/

http://www.elitefts.com/education/tr...tation-part-3/

[Rob1882]

Lol this.

I use the bcaa just for taste I get them free or in the case of the SBK Iso-amino got them very cheap on intro sale.

So my simple answer sums it up nicely ;p

To me they are no different than drinking a sports drink which I know a LOT of people who consume them and those are far more expensive taste not very good and have 0 benefit since they just sitting around doing nothing.

As to the EAA's seems to be some benefit intra and in the case of the Purple Psyko included protein so a mixture and at the time on a heavy cut with large workload 6-8 hours unloading trucks and 1-2 hours working out beyond work it did seem to have some benefits.

[tmd17]

There is research that goes beyond simply protein synthesis to show the benefit of a recovery or intra workout supplement

Before responding, read these three articles written by Dr. Scott Stevenson as my philosophy stems from research that Scott sums up: http://www.elitefts.com/education/tr...tation-part-1/

http://www.elitefts.com/education/tr...tation-part-2/

http://www.elitefts.com/education/tr...tation-part-3/

Will read when I have some time.

[Rob1882]

Will read when I have some time.

John Meadows had a nice interview discussing intra workout nutrition along with bunch other stuff, I didn't have chance to listen to it all but seemed interesting.

[pisarcik.k]

Will read when I have some time.

You may look at it differently... the things is, often times you are going to have conflicting research based on study design and subjects involved, so what you are left with is real world results. This is where I feel Scott and John have taken things further than what science tell us. Yes, science is great, but often times things work that are not explained by the current research, then years later, science backs up what has been seen to be effective in bodybuilding for years.

I have my own experience as well as my own clients and the experiences of thousands of others who have gone from no intra workout supplement to using one and have seen a benefit in recovery. Often times I won't even tell someone I am working with what the recovery supplement will do and ask them about how they feel, how their recovery is, and document the changes in performance and physique just from adding a recovery supplement. Before doing this I ask permission to give them a drink that I will later explain to them and assure them it does not contain anything known or speculated to be harmful. After we look at the results from just this one change, I explain to them what the ingredients are and why it works.

Another article from Scott: http://drscottstevenson.com/forum/at...nt.php?aid=346

Scott also has several interviews and has been on several radio podcasts, as has John, discussing intra workout nutrition...

[dailob]

Sh*t, I use 20g EAAs and 20g pepto pro per training session along with 75g HBCDs...

of course you do... you were featured of the "we mirin" edition


i dont have money to burn so i'm very selective with my expenditures - so neogenix should definitely take it as a compliment that i bought 4 additional bottles without having gone through even 1 yet at the time

after having gone through 1 bottle so far, i really want to give my final review but i'm waiting to go through my 2nd one and then give it my review

i'm telling you guys, it's gonna be real in depth (at least imo haha) as i'm already picturing in my mind how i want the layout to be

[Curl Master]

Part of that Turkey Breast btw - from my post workout meal :X





Don't have my own yet friend checked it.

Was going to get a Omron BP785 Series 10 if that helps any.



<3



Prob Pineapple Mango & Watermelon or Mojito they all pretty good

pineapple mango if I had to choose one

2nd the vote for Mojito. It doesn't get as high ratings, but is delicious and perfect for intra. Sometimes when the mixes are too sweet I either have to water them down a ton or they just aren't as enjoyable to sip on like the Mojito Ergo.

Ordering more today.

didn't care for mojito myself

[Curl Master]

Got Supremacy in mail today. Neogenix has super fast shipping. Thanks again. Will start taking it as soon as I finish Status.

[stan47islav]

2nd the vote for Mojito. It doesn't get as high ratings, but is delicious and perfect for intra. Sometimes when the mixes are too sweet I either have to water them down a ton or they just aren't as enjoyable to sip on like the Mojito Ergo.

Ordering more today.

Hey buddy.....

Send me your info if you want to party....
(You're Todays Winner)

[-SDR-]

Got Supremacy in mail today. Neogenix has super fast shipping. Thanks again. Will start taking it as soon as I finish Status.]

Should be some Neurosurge samples in there too.

[Curl Master]

Should be some Neurosurge samples in there too.

Going to try first sample of neosurge tomorrow on my arm day. Thanks for the two samples too