Which one? Squat or Front squat?

**FranzLiszt** · 09-08-2003, 05:00 PM

Which one is a more dangerous exercise? Squats or Front squat?
Which one do you people prefer?

I only do squats on the smith machine... But I want to begin doing without the machine

**holyshinto63** · 09-08-2003, 05:15 PM

Originally posted by FranzLiszt
Which one is a more dangerous exercise? Squats or Front squat?
Which one do you people prefer?

I only do squats on the smith machine... But I want to begin doing without the machine

When using good form, neither are dangerous at all. I prefer that back squat but also do the front squat. Drop the smith machine, doing the free weight squat will be better for you.

**scott_donald** · 09-08-2003, 05:18 PM

Originally posted by holyshinto63
When using good form, neither are dangerous at all. I prefer that back squat but also do the front squat. Drop the smith machine, doing the free weight squat will be better for you.

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**BigKazWSM747** · 09-08-2003, 05:30 PM

Neither one is dangerous but drop the smith machine, the squats on it are horrible and can lead to injury. Use free weights instead.

EDIT: Squats are better than Front Squats BTW.

**A-rod** · 09-08-2003, 05:32 PM

I prefer squats over front squats ..........

**amusclehead** · 09-08-2003, 05:33 PM

they're both good, do them both

**amusclehead** · 09-08-2003, 05:35 PM

oh yea, get out of that smith machine; it can be more harmful to your body and you arn't doing a realistic squat w/ it

**stl_lev_rone** · 09-08-2003, 09:31 PM

squats. i dont like front squats. using the smith is ok if you have real bad knees. but since your probobly young with decent knees i would switch to the free wieght squat.

**FranzLiszt** · 09-09-2003, 06:24 AM

Why do you say that squats on the smith machine is more dangerous than doing free squats? I was always said the opposite...

**D&G** · 09-09-2003, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by FranzLiszt
Why do you say that squats on the smith machine is more dangerous than doing free squats? I was always said the opposite...

Whoever told you is an idiot, you are forced into the strict vertical path of the machine which is not the natural movement of the body.

When using a standard stance the knees will come out over the toes which is seriously bad, adjusting the stance results in unnatural centre of gravity and back position.

Never, ever squat with a smith machine, its just about the best way to wreck your knees and back.

**Kayslay** · 09-09-2003, 06:59 AM

i dont like front squats. using the smith is ok if you have real bad knees.

no, using the smith machine will give you bad knees.

**stl_lev_rone** · 09-09-2003, 07:05 AM

ive heard the opposite(smith squats are better for you knees if done properly) is true.

**bizkit** · 09-09-2003, 07:09 AM

lol FLEX was promoting smith machine squats in this month's issue(using Gunter as an example)

it's crap really, just stick to free weight squats
as D&G said movement on the smith machine isn't natural and could harm your knees

**D&G** · 09-09-2003, 07:10 AM

Originally posted by stl_lev_rone
ive heard the opposite(smith squats are better for you knees if done properly) is true.

How can an unnatural range of motion i.e not the one that your body wants to take possibly be better for the joints?

**Maroon** · 09-09-2003, 07:46 AM

I do both front and regular squats. I usually alternate between these exercises; for instance, I'll do fronts one week and regulars the next. These exercises are alright so long as you use proper from.

**amusclehead** · 09-09-2003, 10:03 AM

Originally posted by stl_lev_rone
ive heard the opposite(smith squats are better for you knees if done properly) is true.

as we've been telling you w/ flyes.......put down the flex magazines and step away from it

**stl_lev_rone** · 09-09-2003, 10:49 AM

lol. as i've been telling you......flyes do work. and i didnt get that smith thing from flex but from people that seem to know their shi$.

**amusclehead** · 09-09-2003, 10:58 AM

Originally posted by stl_lev_rone
lol. as i've been telling you......flyes do work. and i didnt get that smith thing from flex but from people that seem to know their shi$.

well obviously they don't...even noobs know that smith machines are the last thing you want to use for many reasons

**Cogar** · 09-09-2003, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by bizkit
lol FLEX was promoting smith machine squats in this month's issue(using Gunter as an example)

Tom Prince said something similar in Muscle & Fitness about a year ago. Although I prefer free squats, Smith squats are still OK if you do not have access to a squat rack or power rack. For example, they are better than doing leg extensions and leg curls.

**TheeApprentice** · 09-09-2003, 12:47 PM

For me Front squats are much better than standard barbell squats, Although regular squats have contributed to my leg growth i feel the quads working more with front and have gotten much better results. Remember when squatting to go nice and low! Full front squats are the way to go for serious growth!

**FranzLiszt** · 09-09-2003, 08:37 PM

But I never heard anyone that was injuried while doing squats on the smith machine but a lot of people have already hurt themselves (serious injuries) while doing regular squats. Do You still think that squats on the smith machine are more dangerous?

**amusclehead** · 09-09-2003, 09:03 PM

Originally posted by FranzLiszt
a lot of people have already hurt themselves (serious injuries) while doing regular squats.

because of poor form+too much weight, or becasue they weren't squatting in the powerrack

**FranzLiszt** · 09-10-2003, 04:57 AM

My max is about 360pds (squat - smith machine) for about 8 reps (I only use this weight on my last set)
How much should I be able to lift doing regular squats and front squats??

**D&G** · 09-10-2003, 04:59 AM

It's hard to say but a lot lot less because your stabilizing muscles will be very underdeveloped. People get injured on safe exercies because of poor form

**amusclehead** · 09-10-2003, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by FranzLiszt
My max is about 360pds (squat - smith machine) for about 8 reps (I only use this weight on my last set)
How much should I be able to lift doing regular squats and front squats??

if yo'uve never done front squats before, i'd say start at 100pds.

for regular bb squats, i'd say start at 200 and work up (smith REALLY exagerates your strength)

**stl_lev_rone** · 09-10-2003, 11:28 AM

although the smith does exagerate some exercises it does not exagerate strength in all exersices. for example i can shrug 455 for 3 sets of 12 on the smith. free wieghts i can do 3 sets of 455 for 6-8 or do 405 for 3 sets of 12. so i wouldnt say it exagerates it that much. but an opposite example is i can behind the neck shoulder press on the smith 315 for 3 sets of 3 and i dont know (dont know because i havent tried it) that i can do 315 3 sets of 3 on the regular(free wieghts) behind the neck shoulder press. i have never done the shoulder press on anything but the smith so i really dont know what i would be able to do so i dont know if i can really use this as an example of the smith exagerating strength.

**D&G** · 09-10-2003, 11:30 AM

You shouldn't press behind the neck

**amusclehead** · 09-10-2003, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by stl_lev_rone
although the smith does exagerate some exercises it does not exagerate strength in all exersices. for example i can shrug 455 for 3 sets of 12 on the smith. free wieghts i can do 3 sets of 455 for 6-8 or do 405 for 3 sets of 12. so i wouldnt say it exagerates it that much. but an opposite example is i can behind the neck shoulder press on the smith 315 for 3 sets of 3 and i dont know (dont know because i havent tried it) that i can do 315 3 sets of 3 on the regular(free wieghts) behind the neck shoulder press. i have never done the shoulder press on anything but the smith so i really dont know what i would be able to do so i dont know if i can really use this as an example of the smith exagerating strength.

1. behind neck movements are bad

2. yea, try militiary pressing 315, see if you don't get squashed by it, lol. unless you're incredibly strong or weigh like 300, ain't gona happen

**RippedGuitarist** · 09-10-2003, 11:51 AM

Yeah Behind The Neck Presses can be dangerous, if your gonna do them only bring the bar down to the earlobe, when you bring it lower than that it gets dangerous, well at least so I hear. I don't understand why their so dangerous though, my arms in in the exact same position as Dumbell Overhead Press.

Also Smith Machines suck, I used on once and hurt myself. I went to the gym with my uncle and he uses the Smith, so I decided to give it a shot. Its an awkward motion for Squats, when I tried it I injured my back and it was on a warm up set. I couldn't workout for a week after that. Only regular freeweight Squats for me.

**scott_donald** · 09-10-2003, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by D&G
You shouldn't press behind the neck

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