Calling out gifted nutrition/Phil Heath

[Unbiasedfan]

Nah you see Kai has to do that, you know being an orphan and his childhood, you know it's sad, see his apartment and all that. You should feel sorry for him you know.

But **** Phil for doing the same thing

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...0781511&page=2

my point was that people mock kai in the same way. of course phil put himself on the spotlight with his original maketing...that press was funny as hell.

[JigPig]

I love how sensitive we are in here, it's cute. I said "it was fine" after I tried one shake. That was an honest description and not super pointed. He called it "garbage" which is quite scolding and to me, sounds like an average dude just looking to hate on Phil. Some reasoning is all I'm asking for. If it's a taste/mixing thing, I'd disagree but, of course, my experience is with just two scoops of one flavor of whey.

Lol so because a bloke calls his product garbage, he must be an average bloke.

You think you're jacked as **** at your weight so you think it gives you the ability right to dictate other peoples opinion? LOL

And phils protein is spiked anyway so it IS garbage

[RoroCwalker]

Same things already happened with Kai and his "masterpiece" hoodies.

There's a major difference between a piece of clothing and supplements.

I don't recall anyone mocking Phil for coming out with a clothing line.

[Ryanreece]

Lol so because a bloke calls his product garbage, he must be an average bloke.

You think you're jacked as **** at your weight so you think it gives you the ability right to dictate other peoples opinion? LOL

And phils protein is spiked anyway so it IS garbage

Wasn't aware Phil's protein is spiked. Why is his protein so expensive? lol

[SammyJr]

Nah you see Kai has to do that, you know being an orphan and his childhood, you know it's sad, see his apartment and all that. You should feel sorry for him you know.

But **** Phil for doing the same thing

Are you Phil's wife ?

[Kiwi_]

He wishes he were..

[mindworm]

Lol so because a bloke calls his product garbage, he must be an average bloke.

You think you're jacked as **** at your weight so you think it gives you the ability right to dictate other peoples opinion? LOL

And phils protein is spiked anyway so it IS garbage

Spiked with what, dare I ask?

[BOUNTYHUNTERMK2]

[mrusa85]

How about OP rewrites the review here?

And if the "spiking" claims are true, why not be specific and back that up with sources?

[endurancell]

Lol yeah right. If Kai had a supp line people would be all over it. Not even a big fan of Phil but I'm realistic.

Depend on whether or not he comes out with a grapefruit flavored pre workout

[bartosh]

People already forgot that huge thread about Gifted Nutrition's supplements having inaccurate label claims? (ingredients listed in promo poster but not in ingredient profile of supplement, "white creatine", grams not adding up to serving size in nutritional labels). Plus the Gifted Nutrition PR response to the supplement section calling them out was just....embarrassing. To summarize: "don't listen to the basement dwellers in the supp section pointing out the valid facts. instead, listen to the co-partner of gifted nutrition who is a known scammer"
Mind you, this was at the launch of the company. Maybe they improved since then. I haven't paid any attention since the above happened

edit: googled the thread. here are some random quotes from it. You can check the validity of people's claims for yourself. Whatever.
edit2: not the main supp thread that had the GN pr response posted in it. I can't seem to find that
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...3031921&page=4

that pre-wo has to have an error on it...srv size and actives dont match up at all

That said, this company is owned by Kevin Dash, who is a notorious conman and auto-bill scammer so I'm not sure what was to be expected
(Check out his past companies Opes Media, Enado Media, Blackbelt Profit, AcaiBerryPure, etc...)

From the website "The difference between GN and other products is similar to the difference between homemade tomato sauce and canned sauce; These are homemade products handmade in a small family facility, with meticulous attention to detail."

Note the 26g of amino acids contained in 30g of protein
Also, their 'isolate' that has over 10% carbs.
Also, 'Natural flavor with other natural flavors' <- **** does that mean.

"Higher biological value through micronized BCAA's and L-glutamine"
That's odd, because the label doesn't list any free form amino acids.

Love sucralose being listed twice and more artificial coloring than stims

[TropicalSunset]

Hey guys, if Kai released his own protein, people would still not buy it if it was crap. Like Roro said, clothing and supplements are not a linear comparison.

That said, how awesome would it be is Kai released a grapefruit flavored protein.

[Mikey13Buddha]

Lol so because a bloke calls his product garbage, he must be an average bloke.

You think you're jacked as **** at your weight so you think it gives you the ability right to dictate other peoples opinion? LOL

And phils protein is spiked anyway so it IS garbage

A couple things that might help:

1. He is statistically average. I never said there was a correlation between that and his review. Read again.
2. I am jacked as **** at my weight lol. Never attempted to dictate anyones opinion. Simply asked for details that got him to hi conclusion.
3. The spiked issue...thats worth mentioning.

My life experience as an actual competitive bodybuilder tells me that average dudes seek reasons to call a supplement both magical and garbage depending on outside circumstances. I simply asked WHY and still didnt get an answer.
Why are little guys so sensitive these days? I miss bodybuilders were the majority here.

[Ryanreece]

A couple things that might help:

1. He is statistically average. I never said there was a correlation between that and his review. Read again.
2. I am jacked as **** at my weight lol. Never attempted to dictate anyones opinion. Simply asked for details that got him to hi conclusion.
3. The spiked issue...thats worth mentioning.

My life experience as an actual competitive bodybuilder tells me that average dudes seek reasons to call a supplement both magical and garbage depending on outside circumstances. I simply asked WHY and still didnt get an answer.
Why are little guys so sensitive these days? I miss bodybuilders were the majority here.

1. No I'm not
2. E stats are a bitch
3. no sh!t

[Mikey13Buddha]

1. No I'm not
2. E stats are a bitch
3. no sh!t

Please post the actual review man. Thats all I, and many others in here, want to see. At 180 you dont have to be sensitive . There's a pic of my leg right in my avatar, no e-stats. Im actually 260 now and a bit softer. No shows until the summer for me.

[Ryanreece]

Please post the actual review man. Thats all I, and many others in here, want to see. At 180 you dont have to be sensitive . There's a pic of my leg right in my avatar, no e-stats. Im actually 260 now and a bit softer. No shows until the summer for me.

its on amazon BTW MY FFMI is 22 so you can stop being a dick if you'd like

[DPNZ]

The hate squad leaps in and does their thing again.

Yawn.

[TropicalSunset]

The hate squad leaps in and does their thing again.

Yawn.

People are just discussing Phil's supplement line and its merits and success. It seems to me like you automatically defend Phil, no matter the issue, just like some people attack him regardless of what is being discussed.

[wala]

If people want reviews that are not tampered with, why don't they just go to a 3rd party online supplement supplierike bb.com or whatever, that sells Phil's products?

[DPNZ]

People are just discussing Phil's supplement line and its merits and success. It seems to me like you automatically defend Phil, no matter the issue, just like some people attack him regardless of what is being discussed.

Nah. Phil gets so much hate on here these days. Trying to make out like it's some civil discussion. Pffft.

Child plz.

[Kiwi_]

Child plz.

[pyrolee]

Wouldnt it be better to hear peoples opinions and try to improve the products?

Depends on if the opinions are, you know, actually good or not?

[ks12]

You just gave an example of what I'm asking. I'm wondering HOW HE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION, SPECIFICALLY. Depending on the reasoning, you would, in fact have to have an idea what you're talking about. I've been told a million times that great products are trash and vice versa. I said "no knock" as I didn't want to offend him (I been his size and much smaller, so that's all love w/ me) but I literally want to know his process for deciding, so I can use that information to decide if I see this as something worth even trying out.

Most of the people who tell me a given supplement is "garbage" have no basis for it and just say it's the taste, which is generally a pretty ridiculous reason to use such a strong word as garbage. Does it not mix, are the nutrient details not accurate, does vanilla taste like french vanilla, etc, etc. The 1 shake I tried mixed well and tasted similar to my Dymatize powder (which I LOVE).

Maybe this has been answered but what does bringing his stats into it have to do with anything? It seems to me like you were trying to downplay his opinion bc of his stats, yet your "bodybuilder" friends think it's great. You're trying to make you and your friends opinions sound superior because you're "bodybuilders". Gtfo with that elitest bullchit mindset

[ks12]

2. I am jacked as **** at my weight lol. .

You're really not...


But thanks for trying

Now go cry and fist yourself

[IngeKJ]

I dont know if phils personality hurt sales, but it doesnt help that he outright lies about his products. The real killer is that they are just generic supplements that dont stand out at all. The market is overflooded as is, it doesnt need some more standard crap. Thats why pro supplement lines usually fail to make it big. One exception is Colemans line, his product are surpisingly very high quality, some of the best tasting products on the market. And Ronnie is just this funny, goofy character that doesnt lie about his products. They stand out, and thats why theyve made it

[mindworm]

How about OP rewrites the review here?

And if the "spiking" claims are true, why not be specific and back that up with sources?

My point exactly. Roll eyes all you want, but the "everyone knows" card is internet tiresome.

[MrDeafMuscle]

If people want reviews that are not tampered with, why don't they just go to a 3rd party online supplement supplierike bb.com or whatever, that sells Phil's products?

I just went to look at the reviews but the reviews are broken, it keeps giving me a dead page with redirection loop.

[JigPig]

A couple things that might help:

1. He is statistically average. I never said there was a correlation between that and his review. Read again.
2. I am jacked as **** at my weight lol. Never attempted to dictate anyones opinion. Simply asked for details that got him to hi conclusion.
3. The spiked issue...thats worth mentioning.

My life experience as an actual competitive bodybuilder tells me that average dudes seek reasons to call a supplement both magical and garbage depending on outside circumstances. I simply asked WHY and still didnt get an answer.
Why are little guys so sensitive these days? I miss bodybuilders were the majority here.

Ah yes the "I am bigger than you therefore I'm superior to you" type of mentality. Good job mate.

The truth is most sup lines are garbage with the fact that most of them are spiked with useless amines like Glycine and Glutamine to increase protein count.

Don't take my word for it but I saw those ingredients on the label on launch day, even Ronnies and Dorians sup line protein are spiked with useless ingredients.

FYI I don't need to have 22 inch arms to form an opinion if I think some sups are crap or not.

[cedricnumerouno]

I dont know if phils personality hurt sales, but it doesnt help that he outright lies about his products. The real killer is that they are just generic supplements that dont stand out at all. The market is overflooded as is, it doesnt need some more standard crap. Thats why pro supplement lines usually fail to make it big. One exception is Colemans line, his product are surpisingly very high quality, some of the best tasting products on the market. And Ronnie is just this funny, goofy character that doesnt lie about his products. They stand out, and thats why theyve made it

Coleman's are no better than Heath's...it's all the same BS when you are talking about Heath/Coleman/Dexter/Jay/Dorian/Gaspari etc. etc. they all sell the same crap. Personality or not, it's crap.

[Unbiasedfan]

Coleman's are no better than Heath's...it's all the same BS when you are talking about Heath/Coleman/Dexter/Jay/Dorian/Gaspari etc. etc. they all sell the same crap. Personality or not, it's crap.

yup