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Thread: The Japanese Flag.....
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12-19-2014, 09:16 AM #61
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12-19-2014, 09:47 AM #62
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OK.
Go ahead and dig up your 'sources' , google be or whatever gives you a hard on, but I actually lived down here and so did my aunts uncles cousins and parents.
So I'm not qualified to have an opinion on the matter because I'm what? Too "North"? Neat.
What's the wrong reason? Are you saying that you can't understand why someone would have a rational mistrust for someone that flew that banner?
Personally, I am rather apathetic to the Southern Cross myself (does not offend me), but I understand why it would some. I've also never understood outward displays of patriotism... but that's just me.Last edited by acrawlingchaos; 12-19-2014 at 09:53 AM.
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12-19-2014, 11:40 AM #63
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12-19-2014, 12:39 PM #64
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The southern cross and stars and bars are terms I've both used and are technically inaccurate being colloquially and lazily used.
The Stars and Bars was the First Confederate Flag.
The Southern Cross is the symbol of the UK.
The Dixie flag was actually Tennessee's Battle Flag, and later adopted by the Confederate.
My apologies for my loose usage, pubmed ninja / wikiguru skills awryLast edited by acrawlingchaos; 12-19-2014 at 12:49 PM.
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12-19-2014, 12:50 PM #65
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12-19-2014, 01:14 PM #67
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You can't expect others to disregard nearly a century of it's use under Confederate and Jim Crow Law and later by hate groups (that supported Jim Crow laws). That doesn't just go away.
Sounds like you're projecting your own experiences onto others while expecting others not to do likewise.
I honestly don't know why anyone would take pride in the marred history of a failed nation. It's awfully confusing and sends a mixed message.
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12-19-2014, 01:19 PM #68
The Confederacy wasn't all bad any more than the Union was all good. In fact, I don't think the Confederacy was even mostly bad. There were plenty of hard working white folks who weren't slave owners and didn't agree with slave ownership who were proud citizens of the southern states. There were also black officers in the Confederate Army. There is so much more to that history than most people know. I don't know your extent of knowledge, so I'm not going to assume anything on your behalf, but from what I know of the Confederacy, the flag does not - to me - represent anything about racism or slavery. It does, however, represent a higher level of liberty in general terms as far as not being forced into homogeneity that Abraham Lincoln was so bent on creating.
"Blessed be the Lord my rock, who trains my hands for war and my fingers for battle." - Psalm 144:1
Also, taxation is theft.
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12-19-2014, 02:13 PM #70
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The creation of the Confederacy, brass tacks, was about the Stave Rights regarding SPECIFICALLY slavery.... which I would classify as bad.
The rebellion began in December 26th, 1852...
"The people of the State of South Carolina, in Convention assembled, on the 26th day of April, A.D., 1852, declared that the frequent violations of the Constitution of the United States, by the Federal Government, and its encroachments upon the reserved rights of the States, fully justified this State in then withdrawing from the Federal Union; but in deference to the opinions and wishes of the other slaveholding States, she forbore at that time to exercise this right. Since that time, these encroachments have continued to increase, and further forbearance ceases to be a virtue."
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp
There were plenty of hard working white folks who weren't slave owners and didn't agree with slave ownership who were proud citizens of the southern states.
There were also black officers in the Confederate Army.
There is so much more to that history than most people know. I don't know your extent of knowledge, so I'm not going to assume anything on your behalf, but from what I know of the Confederacy, the flag does not - to me - represent anything about racism or slavery. It does, however, represent a higher level of liberty in general terms as far as not being forced into homogeneity that Abraham Lincoln was so bent on creating.
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12-19-2014, 02:47 PM #75
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The initial collapse was when slave labor was forced out of the cotton fields to focus on the war machine. Between that and the blockades the north placed on Southern waterways, the economy further crumbled. It was the emancipation of 40% of it's population in slave labor that delivered the final blow to the southern economy and the adjustment is why it took the south decades to recover.
Last edited by acrawlingchaos; 12-19-2014 at 02:52 PM.
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