Police fire 17 shots and kill homeowner during night drug raid, no drugs were found

[KINGOFCARBZ]

The cop(s) in question should be crucified.

****ing pathetic.

This... what the fuk? All of them need to lose their jobs, this is unacceptable.

[Autopilot]

This is whats wrong with these threads. People like you assuming, or agreeing with someone else that assumed. You actually have no idea what they "had against him" as you havent read the warrant. its hard to beleive thats all they had and the warrant was accepted but, who knows. Not you or I. So to say something like that and feed the trolls is just wrong IMO.

"But investigators also claimed they were familiar with the address from a 2009 investigation in which a suspect claimed he had supplied ounces of meth to Hooks, who resold it." <-- Thats another thing they had, already disproving your post.

You forgot the rest of the comment about the 2009 investigation..

"Nothing apparently ever came of that investigation, but the five-year-old uncorroborated tip made it into the search warrant application."

[MSchwol]

For you guys and those of you talking about "what if it was a black family". This did actually happen to a black man. Cliffs:

- Texas has stand your ground and castle doctrine laws meaning that you can fire on people who break into your house
- Cops serve no-knock warrant for suspected drugs on the home of Marvin Louis Guy, who is black
- Guy opens fire on cops who are breaking into his house, killing two
- He is charged with three counts of attempted capital murder
- Cops still say no-knock warrants help keep them safe

- No drugs found

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...-war-on-drugs/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/t...olice-officer/

these cliffs make me rage hard.

[vsukicker]

Well the guy had clean record and the only thing they had against him was the word of a methhead who jacked a car and then said he found meth in it that wasn't his.

this is bull****. rage thread for the day

[kingofturtles]

the concept of "no knock raids" + stand your ground law is so fkin retarded together.


if that homeowner would have shot down the entire swat team would he be convicted ? (assuming he is in the right state)

A cop was shot and killed during a no knock and the bro wasnt charged. As someone said earlier, it goes both ways.

[PLZGO]

these cliffs make me rage hard.

yes, and what makes me rage harder is when people justify+rationalize total outrages such as this

[tiger1999]

Al Sharpton protesting this one?

[kingofturtles]

You forgot the rest of the comment about the 2009 investigation..

"Nothing apparently ever came of that investigation, but the five-year-old uncorroborated tip made it into the search warrant application."

True. Nothing came of it but, it was still added into the warrant. Much like, for all we know, other things were in the warrant. The warrant is most likely sealed and no one knows whats in it. That my point. People cant assume what was in the warrant. Its stupid. NO ONE KNOWS. For all we know, there could have been 100 other complaints about the house selling drugs and all of them were added into the warrant.

So to say "all they had was a meth heads statement" is misleading. Because no one knows. Then someone else reads that post and says "all they had was a meth heads statement?" Then he tell his buddy, who tells HIS buddy "Ya, I know this guy who read the report and all they had was a meathhead statement"

Thats why these threads are retarded. By page 5 there's so much false info. See my point?

[USAPump]

Protect and serve

[tiger1999]

These are middle aged white people. For some reason the media doesn't seem to care about this demographic. Sickening.

Who controls the media again?

[VinnyPazRules]

Yes, it is. Rather than just waiting for him to exit his house normally and issuing a search warrant, they roll up in an unmarked police car, bust down the door and shoot everyone in sight. And of course, no police were charged, just like the officer who was speeding twice the legal limit (not responding to a call) and hit a family and killed a five year old was also not charged, and the officer who choked Eric Garner was also not charged.

All on the word of a meth addict to

[kingofturtles]

All on the word of a meth addict to

U dont know that. the word ofthe meth addict could have been the final piece to an ongoing investigation.

please show me where it says "this was a one paragraph warrant based only on the word of a meth addict. Nothing else."

I would suggest its hard to get a no knock warrant on a paragrahp long "Information to Obtain" much less a normal warrant.

So please. Show me where it says all of this was on the word only of the meth head."

Spoiler alert: You cant.

so stfu and stop saying that.

[Beliedat]

U dont know that. the word ofthe meth addict could have been the final piece to an ongoing investigation.

please show me where it says "this was a one paragraph warrant based only on the word of a meth addict. Nothing else."

I would suggest its hard to get a no knock warrant on a paragrahp long "Information to Obtain" much less a normal warrant.

So please. Show me where it says all of this was on the word only of the meth head."

Spoiler alert: You cant.

so stfu and stop saying that.

Either way the it was a fukked up failure of a investigation. There was no illegal activity, outside of the police murdering a man in his own home. They broke into this man's home under the suspicion he was conducting a meth operation, despite every societal indication pointing otherwise. They chose to measure their dicks instead of employ common sense.
The means by which they gathered their information are irrelevant, as they yielded no results. The methods in which they achieved those fruitless results is abhorrent. Everyone involved should be tried for murder. This sht is getting old.

[Ratfish]

guy should have bought a barrett. could have cut them all in half

[kingofturtles]

Either way the it was a fukked up failure of a investigation. There was no illegal activity, outside of the police murdering a man in his own home. They broke into this man's home under the suspicion he was conducting a meth operation, despite every societal indication pointing otherwise. They chose to measure their dicks instead of employ common sense.
The means by which they gathered their information are irrelevant, as they yielded no results. The methods in which they achieved those fruitless results is abhorrent. Everyone involved should be tried for murder. This sht is getting old.

LOL at your dumbazz logic. You cant prove any of this. How do you know every investigation pointed otherwise? How do you know it yielded no results? You dont even know any of the investigations or the results. Let me paint you a picture of something that mite be in the warrant:

on 2014-12-12 Cst. Dbag conducted surveillance on the residence.
at 16:00 Cst. Dbag observed a red car enter the driveway. One male left the vehicle and entered the residence.
at 16:05 Cst. Dbag observed the same male leave the residence and enter his vehicle and drive away.


so lets say cst.dbag sees this happen 20 times a night for a week straight. This is not evidence enough bust a door down but def isnt irrelevant. Lets say the police get see known druggies talking with the guy in his front yard. ect.. a lot o stuff could happen and have been part of the warrant. So, how would this be "every other indication pointing otherwise"? You dont know "every other indication" in fact, you dont know ANY other indication except the indications that the media has a hold of AND decides to make you aware of.

Maybe they had a chitload of relevant info, maybe they didnt. fact is, you dont know. so stfu and stop trolling. Talk about the facts.

[holtmcg]

You'd think that the police force would actually hire cops that can think rather than just empty minded robots following orders. I mean seriously, not a SINGLE cop looked at this and said, "Is this potato?" before even rolling out to the guys house? Have hiring standards become so low that they hire non-thinking automatons?

A police officer using logic? Lmao I was like lmao.

[Godyssey]

LOL at your dumbazz logic. You cant prove any of this. How do you know every investigation pointed otherwise? How do you know it yielded no results? You dont even know any of the investigations or the results. Let me paint you a picture of something that mite be in the warrant:

on 2014-12-12 Cst. Dbag conducted surveillance on the residence.
at 16:00 Cst. Dbag observed a red car enter the driveway. One male left the vehicle and entered the residence.
at 16:05 Cst. Dbag observed the same male leave the residence and enter his vehicle and drive away.


so lets say cst.dbag sees this happen 20 times a night for a week straight. This is not evidence enough bust a door down but def isnt irrelevant. Lets say the police get see known druggies talking with the guy in his front yard. ect.. a lot o stuff could happen and have been part of the warrant. So, how would this be "every other indication pointing otherwise"? You dont know "every other indication" in fact, you dont know ANY other indication except the indications that the media has a hold of AND decides to make you aware of.

Maybe they had a chitload of relevant info, maybe they didnt. fact is, you dont know. so stfu and stop trolling. Talk about the facts.

are you a police officer?

[Enzant]

[Beliedat]

LOL at your dumbazz logic. You cant prove any of this. How do you know every investigation pointed otherwise? How do you know it yielded no results? You dont even know any of the investigations or the results. Let me paint you a picture of something that mite be in the warrant:

I'm going to stop reading here, because the rest of your long winded nonsense is a waste of time.
I can prove all of this. Cops searched Hook's house for 48 hours after he was killed and discovered nothing. I said every SOCIETAL INDICATION, not INVESTIGATION, pointed otherwise. Just look up background on this dude. It's not hard, and it's all well-reported. He was a professional contractor with current military projects under contract, and no history of drug distribution.


My entire point is, regardless of whatever their half-ass investigation (which is reported to have NOT been granted a no-knock) led to, there was no crime, nor evidence of past crimes. Whether it was the word of the methhead alone, or supporting circumstances, it's irrelevant. The cops were wrong, and they shot a man in the back defending his family and his home from criminals.

The plain facts are this dude is dead because of some dipschit department's 'use it or lose it' policy on military grade toys.

Maybe they had a chitload of relevant info, maybe they didnt. fact is, you dont know. so stfu and stop trolling. Talk about the facts.

Locally reported info:

-Mr. Hooks was a successful construction company owner who owns his own property and businesses and was vetted to do construction work on high security military bases.
-There was a known meth head that stole a vehicle and some hunting rifles from Mr. Hooks on Monday. David knew who the guy was and called him. Said "If you don't return my truck, I'm going to kill you." Whether he would have or not, if someone steals my stuff like that I'd threaten them too.
-Known meth head "Turns himself in" to the cops because he "fears for his safety" A bag of methamphetamine is found in the vehicle, known drug user says "Oh, that's not mine, it must've been in the truck already."
-LCSO gets a regular warrant to investigate Mr. Hooks. NOT A NO KNOCK WARRANT - a regular Knock and Serve paper to investigate the claim that the drugs found in the truck were Mr. Hooks'.
-17 or more Members of Laurens County Sherrif's office roll up in Mr. Hooks yard after 11pm only 2 days after his house was robbed. No lights, no announcements, wearing black masks.
-Mr Hooks grabs his (unloaded) shotgun because his wife is freaking out and they both assume the robbers are coming back.
-Before he even gets to the door, he is shot in the back through a window and they shoot their weapons 17 times.
-They handcuff the wife while her husband is dying on the floor and don't allow her to go to the hospital.
-They search his house top to bottom for 48 hours, not a single piece of contraband was found.
-His son lives within walking distance. When he heard the commotion and walked to the house they handcuffed him as well.

It appears you don't know schit, either. There is no way to justify a no-knock warrant on a legally armed populace.

[jro9999]

U dont know that. the word ofthe meth addict could have been the final piece to an ongoing investigation.

please show me where it says "this was a one paragraph warrant based only on the word of a meth addict. Nothing else."

I would suggest its hard to get a no knock warrant on a paragrahp long "Information to Obtain" much less a normal warrant.

So please. Show me where it says all of this was on the word only of the meth head."

Spoiler alert: You cant.

so stfu and stop saying that.

What is it that you're trying to prove? Botched drug raids happen all the time. Here's a map you can even look for yourself

http://www.cato.org/raidmap

Sounds like you're arguing in favor of police work that ended up in the death of an innocent person. Even if this guy was a real life hesienberg and was dealing drugs why the fukk do you think it's acceptable to kick his door down in the middle of the night with skimasks on and guns drawn? No knock warrants don't belong in any first world country even if they do end up in an arrest they're nothing more than terrorism against a country's own citizens. So the fact that you still would argue in favor of these situations even when they're clearly botched and end with a result of an innocent person getting shot 17 times in his home makes you a fukkin retard

[atrueboss]

It's ok guys, cops bought a thief some eggs. All is well.

[Godyssey]

I'm going to stop reading here, because the rest of your long winded nonsense is a waste of time.
I can prove all of this. Cops searched Hook's house for 48 hours after he was killed and discovered nothing. I said every SOCIETAL INDICATION, not INVESTIGATION, pointed otherwise. Just look up background on this dude. It's not hard, and it's all well-reported. He was a professional contractor with current military projects under contract, and no history of drug distribution.


My entire point is, regardless of whatever their half-ass investigation (which is reported to have NOT been granted a no-knock) led to, there was no crime, nor evidence of past crimes. Whether it was the word of the methhead alone, or supporting circumstances, it's irrelevant. The cops were wrong, and they shot a man in the back defending his family and his home from criminals.

The plain facts are this dude is dead because of some dipschit department's 'use it or lose it' policy on military grade toys.


Locally reported info:

-Mr. Hooks was a successful construction company owner who owns his own property and businesses and was vetted to do construction work on high security military bases.
-There was a known meth head that stole a vehicle and some hunting rifles from Mr. Hooks on Monday. David knew who the guy was and called him. Said "If you don't return my truck, I'm going to kill you." Whether he would have or not, if someone steals my stuff like that I'd threaten them too.
-Known meth head "Turns himself in" to the cops because he "fears for his safety" A bag of methamphetamine is found in the vehicle, known drug user says "Oh, that's not mine, it must've been in the truck already."
-LCSO gets a regular warrant to investigate Mr. Hooks. NOT A NO KNOCK WARRANT - a regular Knock and Serve paper to investigate the claim that the drugs found in the truck were Mr. Hooks'.
-17 or more Members of Laurens County Sherrif's office roll up in Mr. Hooks yard after 11pm only 2 days after his house was robbed. No lights, no announcements, wearing black masks.
-Mr Hooks grabs his (unloaded) shotgun because his wife is freaking out and they both assume the robbers are coming back.
-Before he even gets to the door, he is shot in the back through a window and they shoot their weapons 17 times.
-They handcuff the wife while her husband is dying on the floor and don't allow her to go to the hospital.
-They search his house top to bottom for 48 hours, not a single piece of contraband was found.
-His son lives within walking distance. When he heard the commotion and walked to the house they handcuffed him as well.

It appears you don't know schit, either. There is no way to justify a no-knock warrant on a legally armed populace.

I don't know if I have ever witnessed someone get destroyed so thoroughly on the misc before. take my reps.

[kingofturtles]

I'm going to stop reading here, because the rest of your long winded nonsense is a waste of time.
I can prove all of this. Cops searched Hook's house for 48 hours after he was killed and discovered nothing. I said every SOCIETAL INDICATION, not INVESTIGATION, pointed otherwise. Just look up background on this dude. It's not hard, and it's all well-reported. He was a professional contractor with current military projects under contract, and no history of drug distribution.


My entire point is, regardless of whatever their half-ass investigation (which is reported to have NOT been granted a no-knock) led to, there was no crime, nor evidence of past crimes. Whether it was the word of the methhead alone, or supporting circumstances, it's irrelevant. The cops were wrong, and they shot a man in the back defending his family and his home from criminals.

The plain facts are this dude is dead because of some dipschit department's 'use it or lose it' policy on military grade toys.


Locally reported info:

-Mr. Hooks was a successful construction company owner who owns his own property and businesses and was vetted to do construction work on high security military bases.
-There was a known meth head that stole a vehicle and some hunting rifles from Mr. Hooks on Monday. David knew who the guy was and called him. Said "If you don't return my truck, I'm going to kill you." Whether he would have or not, if someone steals my stuff like that I'd threaten them too.
-Known meth head "Turns himself in" to the cops because he "fears for his safety" A bag of methamphetamine is found in the vehicle, known drug user says "Oh, that's not mine, it must've been in the truck already."
-LCSO gets a regular warrant to investigate Mr. Hooks. NOT A NO KNOCK WARRANT - a regular Knock and Serve paper to investigate the claim that the drugs found in the truck were Mr. Hooks'.
-17 or more Members of Laurens County Sherrif's office roll up in Mr. Hooks yard after 11pm only 2 days after his house was robbed. No lights, no announcements, wearing black masks.
-Mr Hooks grabs his (unloaded) shotgun because his wife is freaking out and they both assume the robbers are coming back.
-Before he even gets to the door, he is shot in the back through a window and they shoot their weapons 17 times.
-They handcuff the wife while her husband is dying on the floor and don't allow her to go to the hospital.
-They search his house top to bottom for 48 hours, not a single piece of contraband was found.
-His son lives within walking distance. When he heard the commotion and walked to the house they handcuffed him as well.

It appears you don't know schit, either. There is no way to justify a no-knock warrant on a legally armed populace.

Ur cliffs are pretty much irrelevant to my interests. I am in no way justifying what the police did. Obviously something and somebody screwed up. I am talking about the amount of people on the misc that assume things in an attempt to get their point across.

I also dont care what the local news reported, as they wouldnt have access to a vetted and sealed warrant. It's one thing to say "The statement of a local meth head helped them get the warrant" and another thing to say "THey got the warrant based only on the word of a meth head". Thats called assuming and the misc does this way too often.

For example, he knows the meth head who stole his vehicle and he phoned him. He had his number. Is that not at all fishy? Does that not point to maybe him not being totally innocent if he maybe runs with these guys?

[SevenFigures]

to be fair he did have a gun.

Well maybe the idiot SWAT team shouldn't raid houses for no good reason. Could have at least knocked first. Boneheads.

[kingofturtles]

What is it that you're trying to prove? Botched drug raids happen all the time. Here's a map you can even look for yourself

http://www.cato.org/raidmap

Sounds like you're arguing in favor of police work that ended up in the death of an innocent person. Even if this guy was a real life hesienberg and was dealing drugs why the fukk do you think it's acceptable to kick his door down in the middle of the night with skimasks on and guns drawn? No knock warrants don't belong in any first world country even if they do end up in an arrest they're nothing more than terrorism against a country's own citizens. So the fact that you still would argue in favor of these situations even when they're clearly botched and end with a result of an innocent person getting shot 17 times in his home makes you a fukkin retard

I never once stated I was in favour of what happened. Not sure where you got that from. In fact, the big picture of what I am talking about isnt even about this thread. Its the misc in general, chit talking without facts.

[Turbomunkey]

I watch cops all the time and claiming that drugs in the vehicle aren't yours is not accepted as anything other than BS. How did they get a warrant based on that same info FROM THE MAN THEY APPREHENDED FOR CAR THEFT

[Murgatroid]

I was thinking it was being misconstrued that the cops were that incompetent that they believed a guy being arrested with meth on him. The guy turned the meth in on his own accord. That being said, were they not suppose to do anything about it?

The procedure is phucked but I'm assuming the guys did their job according to the operating procedures already laid out. I only bring this up because someone posted earlier they would murder the cops involved. The guy had a gun, they perceived deadly force and were working on the notion he is a meth dealer.

They killed a guy who may or may not be innocent. Who is to say the meth really wasn't his? Maybe he beat that other investigation because he is smart?

Idk, but it seems like a lot of people are rushing in to bash the cops. They are doing a high stress job with a phucked procedure.

A phucked procedure or phucked common sense? He is a middle income type person living in what looks like the picture to be a nice home. Their only source for information is the guy who stole this dude's car. There is no procedure that mandates they not do a little more investigating ahead of time or try to avoid using their brains.

A lot of times the cops will push the envelope with what they can get away with. A buddy of mine (works for a department in Cook County, IL) was telling me they would wake judges up in the middle of the night to sign warrants before the judge really knew what was going on. They can also impound your cash/cars/whatever under RICO in the name of the war on drugs. Cash doesn't go into the taxpayer coffers; it can be used by the department that seized it. Talk about a major conflict of interest.

Yeah the system is phucked, but there are a lot of dirty cops out there. I know guys who fuk hookers on duty and rob drug dealers. Neg me for cop-bashing I don't care.

You break my door down in the middle of the night you die.

[kingofturtles]

He owns a construction company, I'm sure he deals with a lot of pissed off meth heads.

Edit: sorry, owned and dealt with.

Sorry, I wasnt owned. He hada nice post with a lot of great details and facts. It looked really fancy and basically mentioned everything I already know and agree with. I agree he had background checks. I agree the police shouldnt have killed him. I agree they found no drugs in the house.

however; I stated he didnt know what kind of information was in the warrant and it was wrong to assume he did. Not once did he disprove that statement. Just cause he made a long post doesnt mean he actually answered my question. It just means he wasted his time.

And you thinking he owned me just shows you have no idea what we were even talking about.

[kingofturtles]

A phucked procedure or phucked common sense? He is a middle income type person living in what looks like the picture to be a nice home. Their only source for information is the guy who stole this dude's car. There is no procedure that mandates they not do a little more investigating ahead of time or try to avoid using their brains.

A lot of times the cops will push the envelope with what they can get away with. A buddy of mine (works for a department in Cook County, IL) was telling me they would wake judges up in the middle of the night to sign warrants before the judge really knew what was going on. They can also impound your cash/cars/whatever under RICO in the name of the war on drugs. Cash doesn't go into the taxpayer coffers; it can be used by the department that seized it. Talk about a major conflict of interest.

Yeah the system is phucked, but there are a lot of dirty cops out there. I know guys who fuk hookers on duty and rob drug dealers. Neg me for cop-bashing I don't care.

You break my door down in the middle of the night you die.

wot? if true, merica is phucked.

I've heard of "charter free shakedowns" which basically means they goto a known rat and take all his drugs and chit ilegally and throw it down the river or something. Which I am ok with but, actually robbing them is a whole diff thing.

[Murgatroid]

wot? if true, merica is phucked.

I've heard of "charter free shakedowns" which basically means they goto a known rat and take all his drugs and chit ilegally and throw it down the river or something. Which I am ok with but, actually robbing them is a whole diff thing.

You hear of Maywood, IL? Bellwood? The entire Chicago metro area?