Dextrose and protein powder your view

[soulman247]

Hi

I want a carb and a portion i can take post workout any suggestions i was thinking a protein powder and dextrose

[Swamp Dog]

Go on with your bad self

[soulman247]

Go on with your bad self

???

[InItForFitness]

Replace dextrose with a fully loaded baked potato.
Replace protein powder with a nice fatty cut of steak.

Profit.

[BlueRev]

Protein powder is fine, But why dextrose powder?? Grab a banana.

[hossjob]

I'm a HUGE proponent of whole foods, especially when I'm in a deficit, but I've been using syntrax nectar post workout (because I gag at even the smell of anything chocolate and vanilla or milk shake related) and EFX Karbolyn the last 2 months and I have noticed a difference. There is research showing the benefits of liquid protein/carbs post workout. There is also evidence out there showing you can get similar results just eating whole food, but I have noticed some increase in recovery and strength using protein and karbolyn post workout then eating a whole food meal about an hour later. Give it a try.

[InItForFitness]

Protein powder is fine, But why dextrose powder?? Grab a banana.

We know why brah.

There is research showing the benefits of liquid protein/carbs post workout.

Please post the research/benefits of liquid nutrient intake v whole foods post-workout.

Bare in mind, individual meal intake outside of the context of overall dietary intake is largely irrelevant and not likely to yield any body composition benefits.

[soulman247]

Protein powder is fine, But why dextrose powder?? Grab a banana.

I need to Spike my insulin i no some people see it as BS but this is something i want your view on thats why i choose Dextrose and the facts it's cheap helps me get an extra 181.0kcal post workout as i am skinny ur VIEWS and help

[TheGilmore]

I use protein powder for convenience when I need protein and am too lazy to make something, or my other macros are restricted. But this is almost never post-workout, as I usually just have dinner afterward. A protein powder isn't necessary. Dextrose powder even less so. I wouldn't ever buy dextrose powder.

The only condition in which you would NEED something post workout is if it's been almost 6 hours since your last meal with protein. But powder isn't necessary even then.

[soulman247]

I use protein powder for convenience when I need protein and am too lazy to make something, or my other macros are restricted. But this is almost never post-workout, as I usually just have dinner afterward. A protein powder isn't necessary. Dextrose powder even less so. I wouldn't ever buy dextrose powder.

The only condition in which you would NEED something post workout is if it's been almost 6 hours since your last meal with protein. But powder isn't necessary even then.

So the post workout anabolic window is myth??? is it not optimal to get a protein in your body and spike ur insulin to for better results post workout

[InItForFitness]

I need to Spike my insulin i no some people see it as BS but this is something i want your view on thats why i choose Dextrose and the facts it's cheap helps me get an extra 181.0kcal post workout as i am skinny ur VIEWS and help

You don't need to spike your insulin post-workout, and even so, there are a variety of ways to accomplish this...hell, resistance training alone generates this response.


Dextrose is, hands down, one of the biggest wastes of money considering carb sources are about the cheapest food options out there.

You can get 5lb bags of rice or potatoes for $2-3 and they are much more nutrient rich than downing dextrose.

[soulman247]

You don't need to spike your insulin post-workout, and even so, there are a variety of ways to accomplish this...hell, resistance training alone generates this response.


Dextrose is, hands down, one of the biggest wastes of money considering carb sources are about the cheapest food options out there.

You can get 5lb bags of rice or potatoes for $2-3 and they are much more nutrient rich than downing dextrose.

Your need a simple carb after your workout and protein this is what most people say

[TheGilmore]

So the post workout anabolic window is myth??? is it not optimal to get a protein in your body and spike ur insulin to for better results post workout

Short answer: It's mostly a myth.

Long answer:

http://www.jissn.com/content/10/1/5

http://www.bornfitness.com/the-truth...trient-timing/

Edit:

And I saw you mentioned you're skinny. To fix that, you would calculate your calorie expenditure (including exercise) and eat 200-500 calories above that daily. If you aren't gaining weight, you eat more or change some foods out for more calorie dense options (while maintaining a healthy diet overall).

[InItForFitness]

Your need a simple carb after your workout and protein this is what most people say

No you don't.
Most people are misinformed and base their nutritional information off of what they've read in 'Men's Health' or 'Flex Magazine'.



For further information, please review the information provided VIA the links in the post above mine.

[soulman247]

Short answer: It's mostly a myth.

Long answer:

http://www.jissn.com/content/10/1/5

http://www.bornfitness.com/the-truth...trient-timing/

Is that bro science or real science my option was taken from this guy //www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItYeFA4KlEg i have no idea if he is right that why i am here but i reckon on training after a workout taking in some form of protein and maybe a carb will help u get more GAINS

[TheGilmore]

Your need a simple carb after your workout and protein this is what most people say

Part of that is marketing. Part of that is that it works, but also works just as well food would. Bodybuilders perpetuate the things they do that work, without realizing why those things work or that there are other methods that are equally or more effective. And people listen to them, because they're big.

[Swamp Dog]

Your need a simple carb after your workout and protein this is what most people say

[InItForFitness]

Is that bro science or real science my option was taken from this guy //www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItYeFA4KlEg i have no idea if he is right that why i am here but i reckon on training after a workout taking in some form of protein and maybe a carb will help u get more GAINS

Sadly, athletes in the industry can tend to be the worst source of nutritional/dietary information.


Why? Because they say what they're paid to say by the companies that sponsor them.

Most of them are clueless to the basics, and have no idea what they're even saying, and they don't care what the results are in the physiques of those who fall for their nutritional misinformation.

They're simply collecting a paycheck.

[Jiigzz]

Is that bro science or real science my option was taken from this guy //www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItYeFA4KlEg i have no idea if he is right that why i am here but i reckon on training after a workout taking in some form of protein and maybe a carb will help u get more GAINS

Yeah, nah.

The post anabolic window, while it "exists", it extends to about 24hr post exercise instead of the much parroted 30 minutes. The only reason I advocate for peri-workout nutrition is for enhanced recovery (I notice a vast difference if this isn't maximised). In terms of body comp it is not going to make much of a difference.

[BlueRev]

There is research showing the benefits of liquid protein/carbs post workout. There is also evidence out there showing you can get similar results just eating whole food, but I have noticed some increase in recovery and strength using protein and karbolyn post workout then eating a whole food meal about an hour later. Give it a try.

lmao

[The Solution]

I need to Spike my insulin i no some people see it as BS but this is something i want your view on thats why i choose Dextrose and the facts it's cheap helps me get an extra 181.0kcal post workout as i am skinny ur VIEWS and help

no you do not.

Post a few studies:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15277409
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17617942



For most of us who train with an intra-workout BCAA or pre-workout meal there is stil food overlap as i touched in the other thread, do we need to spike insulin? absolutely not, food is still digesting, aminos are still present, so do we really need simple carbs post-workout not really..

Could they be optimal .. sure why not? but remember the total calories/macros if meeting your protein/fat/fiber minimums on a daily basis are optimal for your goal.


more:

he postexercise "anabolic window" is a highly misused & abused concept. Preworkout nutrition all but cancels the urgency, unless you're an endurance athlete with multiple glycogen-depleting events in a single day. Getting down to brass tacks, a relatively recent study (Power et al. 2009) showed that a 45g dose of whey protein isolate takes appx 50 minutes to cause blood AA levels to peak. Resulting insulin levels, which peaked at 40 minutes after ingestion, remained at elevations known to max out the inhibition of muscle protein breakdown (15-30 mU/L) for 120 minutes after ingestion. This dose takes 3 hours for insulin & AA levels to return to baseline from the point of ingestion. The inclusion of carbs to this dose would cause AA & insulin levels to peak higher & stay elevated above baseline even longer.

So much for the anabolic peephole & the urgency to down AAs during your weight training workout; they are already seeping into circulation (& will continue to do so after your training bout is done). Even in the event that a preworkout meal is skipped, the anabolic effect of the postworkout meal is increased as a supercompensatory response (Deldicque et al, 2010). Moving on, another recent study (Staples et al, 2010) found that a substantial dose of carbohydrate (50g maltodextrin) added to 25g whey protein was unable to further increase postexercise net muscle protein balance compared to the protein dose without carbs. Again, this is not to say that adding carbs at this point is counterproductive, but it certainly doesn't support the idea that you must get your lightning-fast postexercise carb orgy for optimal results.

To add to this... Why has the majority of longer-term research failed to show any meaningful differences in nutrient timing relative to the resistance training bout? It's likely because the body is smarter than we give it credit for. Most people don't know that as a result of a single training bout, the receptivity of muscle to protein dosing can persist for at least 24

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21289204

Here's what you're not seeming to grasp: the "windows" for taking advantage of nutrient timing are not little peepholes. They're more like bay windows of a mansion. You're ignoring just how long the anabolic effects are of a typical mixed meal. Depending on the size of a meal, it takes a good 1-2 hours for circulating substrate levels to peak, and it takes a good 3-6 hours (or more) for everythng to drop back down to baseline.

You're also ignoring the fact that the anabolic effects of a meal are maxed out at much lower levels than typical meals drive insulin & amino acids up to. Furthermore, you're also ignoring the body's ability of anabolic (& fat-oxidative) supercompensation when forced to work in the absence of fuels. So, metaphorically speaking, our physiology basically has the universe mapped out and you're thinking it needs to be taught addition & subtraction.




More:

"ou do not need to neccessarily "spike" insulin for creatine to be maximally absorbed, but yes insulin is involved with the trasnsport.

FYI: The insulin and creatine studies I have seen up to this point have involved taking the glucose 30 minutes after the creatine. This may be because the insulin release from the dextrose doesn't entirely coincident with the pharmacokinetics of the creatine absorption.

Personally I think more consistent waves of insulin may be more anabolic than "spikes" anyway. This is because smoother waves of insulin more than likely affect ATP production more beneficially than "spikes" probably do. ATP is what rebuilds muscles and you want the most efficiency you can get here. I'm saying this because there is a delicate balance here between oxidative phosphorylation and lipogenesis (stimulated by acetyl COA carboxylase from HCO3-) in the mitochondrial in the presence of insulin. This "balance" I am talking about here is different for everyone though. Some people "shunt" over to lipgenesis so much sooner than other people. This has to do with other "global" processes happening in the body."

http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/?page_id=319


The postexercise "anabolic window" is a highly misused & abused concept. Preworkout nutrition all but cancels the urgency, unless you're an endurance athlete with multiple glycogen-depleting events in a single day. Getting down to brass tacks, a relatively recent study (Power et al. 2009) showed that a 45g dose of whey protein isolate takes appx 50 minutes to cause blood AA levels to peak. Resulting insulin levels, which peaked at 40 minutes after ingestion, remained at elevations known to max out the inhibition of muscle protein breakdown (15-30 mU/L) for 120 minutes after ingestion. This dose takes 3 hours for insulin & AA levels to return to baseline from the point of ingestion. The inclusion of carbs to this dose would cause AA & insulinlevels to peak higher & stay elevated above baseline even longer.

So much for the anabolic peephole & the urgency to down AAs during your weight training workout; they are already seeping into circulation (& will continue to do so after your training bout is done). Even in the event that a preworkout meal is skipped, the anabolic effect of the postworkout meal is increased as a supercompensatory response (Deldicque et al, 2010). Moving on, another recent study (Staples et al, 2010) found that a substantial dose of carbohydrate (50g maltodextrin) added to 25g whey protein was unable to further increase postexercise net muscle protein balance compared to the protein dose without carbs. Again, this is not to say that adding carbs at this point is counterproductive, but it certainly doesn't support the idea that you must get your lightning-fast postexercise carb orgy for optimal results.

To add to this... Why has the majority of longer-term research failed to show any meaningful differences in nutrient timing relative to the resistance training bout? It's likely because the body is smarter than we give it credit for. Most people don't know that as a result of a single training bout, the receptivity of muscle to protein dosing can persist for at least 24 hours: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21289204

[emergency]

personally I prefer pop tarts compared to a dextrose powder.

[TheGilmore]

personally I prefer pop tarts compared to a dextrose powder.

Red velvet only.

[DGarcia519]

personally I prefer pop tarts compared to a dextrose powder.

Pop-tarts + Protein w/ milk = win.

Red velvet only.

That's a thing?????????

[phatmarky]

That's a thing?????????

hnnngggggg

[DGarcia519]

hnnngggggg

Must find! I wonder if they have them up here?

Also - 6 Vitamins and Minerals, lulz.

[DasBiceps]

Must find! I wonder if they have them up here?

Also - 6 Vitamins and Minerals, lulz.

They have been around for almost a year or more than half a year

[aaronuconn]

Pumpkin Pie > Red Velvet

Anyways, eat what you want post-workout, as your total daily intake will be a far more important factor in determining if you reach your goals or not.

Are some macro % breakdowns maybe more advantageous post-workout? Sure, but don't sweat the details.

[DasBiceps]

Pumpkin Pie > Red Velvet

Anyways, eat what you want post-workout, as your total daily intake will be a far more important factor in determining if you reach your goals or not.

Are some macro % breakdowns maybe more advantageous post-workout? Sure, but don't sweat the details.

Sugar Cookie Poptarts > all

[DGarcia519]

They have been around for almost a year or more than half a year

I don't recall ever seeing them, I usually just grab S'Mores. As I am now awared, I will be on the lookout though.

Sugar Cookie Poptarts > all

You guys get all the good ones