Lab Test for PES Select Protein showing 3% more protein

[stack3dnews]

Just had the results come in for a test we did on PES Select Protein. As you'd expect the supplement is spike free and packs almost 3% more protein than listed on the label.
Official lab report can be found here.

[RVAPump]

a lie is a lie

not srs

[powercage]

neato

[InItForFitness]

So, basically what you're telling me is they've been feeding me extra calories with every scoop...no wonder I got fat

[BlueRev]

cooleo

[DASBUNKER]

so not accurate then, pass.

[kissdadookie]

Just had the results come in for a test we did on PES Select Protein. As you'd expect the supplement is spike free and packs almost 3% more protein than listed on the label.
Official lab report can be found here.

Didn't test for individual AA content? I see ND for all the individual AAs.

[VicMackey92]

good to know

[stack3dnews]

Didn't test for individual AA content? I see ND for all the individual AAs.

You're seeing a free form amino acid test, which looks for any added amino acids showing signs of spiking. The report gives ND for each item as there is only whey protein in the supplement as promoted.

[kissdadookie]

You're seeing a free form amino acid test, which looks for any added amino acids showing signs of spiking. The report gives ND for each item as there is only whey protein in the supplement as promoted.

I see. But you do realize that the product is MPI + whey concentrate 80 + additional leucine right? I'm wondering if the added leucine may have bumped up the protein content up a bit in the test (not saying that they are cheating us of protein, but there is added leucine which I presume is to help bump the total leucine dosage per serving up to a full 3 grams or so, my guess is to maximize MPS without having to double scoop like one would with most other protein powders).

[TrainerTone]

Expected nothing less from PES!!

[joodabop]

Expected nothing less from PES!!

Better trademark this...pretty catchy slogan.

[DGarcia519]

Good to hear. Getting close to the bottom of my 3 tubs - hoping to re-stock over the holidays. Now I feel even more confidant...not that I wasn't extremely happy with the product so far.

[stack3dnews]

I see. But you do realize that the product is MPI + whey concentrate 80 + additional leucine right? I'm wondering if the added leucine may have bumped up the protein content up a bit in the test (not saying that they are cheating us of protein, but there is added leucine which I presume is to help bump the total leucine dosage per serving up to a full 3 grams or so, my guess is to maximize MPS without having to double scoop like one would with most other protein powders).

Ahhh I see what you're getting at now. That is a good question, strange how the leucine didn't register as an added free form. Wonder if that's worth testing for just by itself.

[AMeyer9]

So PES is a bunch of liars... Pls explain reps.

[hamdysayed]

Pretty awesome pes... even if the leucine added lil more to the results, lucien =Moar gainz.

[stack3dnews]

So PES is a bunch of liars... Pls explain reps.

Being either side of their listed amount by 1 to 3% is expected, and in no way a bad thing. The fact that PES are over rather than under is awesome. Some major supplement companies aim for the exact amount and will never get it right on, where as some aim for half or a gram more just in case someone does test and it's under. It would probably be impossible to be bang on the claimed amount for every batch and prove that in every test. There is a company in Europe called Scitec who are one of the biggest protein producers in the world, and they test every batch. You can see their results and accuracy right on their website.

[Bigdumogre]

Really good to hear with all the amino spiking claims going around.

[MarcelinoChiles]

slow news day

[kissdadookie]

Ahhh I see what you're getting at now. That is a good question, strange how the leucine didn't register as an added free form. Wonder if that's worth testing for just by itself.

Probably not worth testing for it. I'm pretty confident that what PES labels as the protein content is legit protein content and I'm pretty confident that the leucine essentially bumps it up to ~3 grams of leucine per serving.

Was just pointing it out because I highly doubt any company, no matter how nice they are, would go around giving you more protein than advertised. LoL.

[PEScience]

The AA test is for free form AAs. What everyone is using for amino acid spiking. LeuPep are leucine peptides so they would have to be hydrolyzed before being seen as leucine on a free form AA test

We are now looking into a way to accurately test for gelatin and collagen. This is becoming the next protein "trick" in the industry, with people labeling them as beef protein isolate and hydrolyzed protein isolate. But gelatin and collagen have virtually no biological value, and in the food industry you actually have to put on the label that it's not a significant protein source. But this gets left off of the protein powders

[Bigdumogre]

Probably not worth testing for it. I'm pretty confident that what PES labels as the protein content is legit protein content and I'm pretty confident that the leucine essentially bumps it up to ~3 grams of leucine per serving.

Was just pointing it out because I highly doubt any company, no matter how nice they are, would go around giving you more protein than advertised. LoL.

He is talking about 3% not 3G

[stack3dnews]

The AA test is for free form AAs. What everyone is using for amino acid spiking. LeuPep are leucine peptides so they would have to be hydrolyzed before being seen as leucine on a free form AA test

We are now looking into a way to accurately test for gelatin and collagen. This is becoming the next protein "trick" in the industry, with people labeling them as beef protein isolate and hydrolyzed protein isolate. But gelatin and collagen have virtually no biological value, and in the food industry you actually have to put on the label that it's not a significant protein source. But this gets left off of the protein powders

Coincidentally we have a beef protein that wants to be tested and we're looking for the same thing. Not going to name the supplement but a bonded test seems to be the best solution and matching/comparing those results to a quality sourced beef.

[stack3dnews]

He is talking about 3% not 3G

I do actually know of two brands that as mentioned add an extra gram to be on the safe side. Either way, be interesting to know the exact amount of leucine.

[kissdadookie]

He is talking about 3% not 3G

3 grams out of 26+ grams.

I know there's 3% extra found through testing. There should be naturally ~2 grams of leucine in the listed (label) amount of protein. So they only need to add less than ~1 gram of leucine to hit the optimal MPS stimulating level of 3 grams of leucine. I'm not implying there's 3 grams of added leucine in each serving.

But it's a moot point anyway because I trust this protein is likely legit.

[Rob1882]

PES <3

Great news

[bencarpenter]

Thank you all for the support.

We want to make sure Select is a product you can trust.

[Bigdumogre]

3 grams out of 26+ grams.

I know there's 3% extra found through testing. There should be naturally ~2 grams of leucine in the listed (label) amount of protein. So they only need to add less than ~1 gram of leucine to hit the optimal MPS stimulating level of 3 grams of leucine. I'm not implying there's 3 grams of added leucine in each serving.

But it's a moot point anyway because I trust this protein is likely legit.

Was talking about protein

[AMeyer9]

Being either side of their listed amount by 1 to 3% is expected, and in no way a bad thing. The fact that PES are over rather than under is awesome. Some major supplement companies aim for the exact amount and will never get it right on, where as some aim for half or a gram more just in case someone does test and it's under. It would probably be impossible to be bang on the claimed amount for every batch and prove that in every test. There is a company in Europe called Scitec who are one of the biggest protein producers in the world, and they test every batch. You can see their results and accuracy right on their website.

Yeah I was totally trolling tho.

[Rob1882]

Thank you all for the support.

We want to make sure Select is a product you can trust.

I might trust it even more if you can get me a Guava and or Coconut combination... just putting it out there

Guava Coconut Cream would be magical and I <3 you long time