holy chit at this gun control proposal.

[shoegainze]

So wait (English checking in), you don't need to have any training to use a firearm at the moment? Anyone can just go buy one providing they meet whatever the requirements are and don't need to be trained to use it?

With a few states being the exception, yes that is correct.

[Bigdumogre]

What other constitutional rights are taken away when you're a convicted felon?

Right to vote

[MikeHawkBiggums]

Right to vote

Any others?

[residesinAZ]

Right to vote

They way I understand it is they can vote again when their sentence is over. All rights should be restored if they are safe enough to enter society. If they aren't safe, they shouldn't be let out.

[ScreechingHalt]

seems reasonable


murica

[Tuksonrider]

Rights can be taken away. You're right to vote can be taken away. Yup, happens all the time and pretty easily too. When was the last time you saw a voting poll at a prison? You don't.

That's not the argument though. The argument is that you, being a lawful US citizen, having done nothing wrong, yet still having your right taken away unless you ask for permission, jump through hoops, and pay money.

Those who want to circumvent the 2nd Amendment then get all mad when you want a Voter ID card. How about this, if I have to PAY for my RIGHT to own a gun, then you have to PAY for your RIGHT to VOTE. Yup, $50 to take a test to know your candidates and propositions, then another $100 for a Voter ID card. Sound fair? Let's have it so only those who could afford to vote, vote. But we won't call it a "fee", we'll call it a voter tax so everyone pays their fair share. That should make it more digestible.

[Trip91]

With a few states being the exception, yes that is correct.

Something about that doesn't seem right.

BRB, carrying a weapon every day for safety yet never fired it and the time comes to use it to protect yourself/someone else and you shoot the wrong person because you don't have any practice and don't expect the recoil and the gun flys in the air, hits the floor and causes a discharge and shoots someone else.

[EnderG60]

if they cant even require actual training to get your drivers license then how the hell will they do it for gun ownership?

I mean damn more deaths are car related then gun related how about you worry about that first.

Also the first part doesnt really sound all that bad, rest is retarded.

[Bigdumogre]

Any others?

Jury duty

[headinahole]

Our government is so fuking potato.


Brb illegal to hunt/fish without a license.


Brb can live/protest in the country without one.

[ThaJerzeyDevil]

http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/1...-rifle-at-home

this is why i make my own rifles with my 3d printer and the gov doesnt know i have them

[Vexidi]

And before you jump to assumptions, know that I'm no hippie.

(from his LinkedIn page)
Organizations Shawn supports:

Clinton Foundation
Human Rights Campaign
PFLAG - Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays
ASIS International
International Association of Emergency Managers
California Young Democrats



lol ok sure pal

[mnd96]

Americans of peace.

[ASNicole14]

Wow

[BrocepCurls]

So wait (English checking in), you don't need to have any training to use a firearm at the moment? Anyone can just go buy one providing they meet whatever the requirements are and don't need to be trained to use it?

Lol murica

[MikeHawkBiggums]

Jury duty

That's the last one.

Rights can be taken away. You're right to vote can be taken away. Yup, happens all the time and pretty easily too. When was the last time you saw a voting poll at a prison? You don't.

That's not the argument though. The argument is that you, being a lawful US citizen, having done nothing wrong, yet still having your right taken away unless you ask for permission, jump through hoops, and pay money.

Those who want to circumvent the 2nd Amendment then get all mad when you want a Voter ID card. How about this, if I have to PAY for my RIGHT to own a gun, then you have to PAY for your RIGHT to VOTE. Yup, $50 to take a test to know your candidates and propositions, then another $100 for a Voter ID card. Sound fair? Let's have it so only those who could afford to vote, vote. But we won't call it a "fee", we'll call it a voter tax so everyone pays their fair share. That should make it more digestible.

Poll taxes are unconstitutional though.

[headinahole]

And before you jump to assumptions, know that I'm no hippie.

(from his LinkedIn page)
Organizations Shawn supports:

Clinton Foundation
Human Rights Campaign
PFLAG - Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays
ASIS International
International Association of Emergency Managers
California Young Democrats



lol ok sure pal

Bet his house smells like feces and unwashed hair.

[FearThisjake]

What? 5-10 cents per round?

That's totally going to make me change my mind on shooting up the mall.

I mean, I'm going to have to pay an extra $10 now. Totally not worth it.



.... is this ****ing real life? Do people really think this is going to stop crime?

[Preban_AR15]

Something about that doesn't seem right.

BRB, carrying a weapon every day for safety yet never fired it and the time comes to use it to protect yourself/someone else and you shoot the wrong person because you don't have any practice and don't expect the recoil and the gun flys in the air, hits the floor and causes a discharge and shoots someone else.

You have to pass a shooting test to have a concealed handgun permit. At least in Texas.

As far as the rest of your comments about guns flying in the air, that's kind of a stretch.

EDIT: Oops, we are talking about owning a gun, not concealed carry

[Tuksonrider]

That's the last one.



Poll taxes are unconstitutional though.

So is denying one's 2nd amendment right without cause.

[Cfitz717]

And before you jump to assumptions, know that I'm no hippie.

(from his LinkedIn page)
Organizations Shawn supports:

Clinton Foundation
Human Rights Campaign
PFLAG - Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays
ASIS International
International Association of Emergency Managers
California Young Democrats



lol ok sure pal

lmfao

[Retoaded]

tax tax tax tax tax - the answer for everything.

[mnd96]

So wait (English checking in), you don't need to have any training to use a firearm at the moment? Anyone can just go buy one providing they meet whatever the requirements are and don't need to be trained to use it?

Implying there are any requirements lolz.


I find it funny that they try to claim that theyre ridiculous amounts of school shootings are not related to their non existant gun control laws.

[shoegainze]

Something about that doesn't seem right.

BRB, carrying a weapon every day for safety yet never fired it and the time comes to use it to protect yourself/someone else and you shoot the wrong person because you don't have any practice and don't expect the recoil and the gun flys in the air, hits the floor and causes a discharge and shoots someone else.

Most states require some type of permitting to carry a weapon for self defense which still doesn't jive with the treatment of a right. If you accept that a permitting process is ok then issue with implementing a permitting scheme is who determines what is reasonable? How much money is reasonable? How many hours training is reasonable? In reality what has happened when permit processes are allowed is they become expensive, burdensome, and in some places impossible to actually get. Additionally, the people who are carrying a firearm for self defense tend to pursue firearms ownership as a hobby and DO practice and become proficient in them. Moreover, it is nearly a complete fallacy that firearms "just go off" being dropped or thrown or dragged behind a car or what have you. Nearly all handguns made for the last few decades are drop safe.

[mnd96]

What? 5-10 cents per round?

That's totally going to make me change my mind on shooting up the mall.

I mean, I'm going to have to pay an extra $10 now. Totally not worth it.



.... is this ****ing real life? Do people really think this is going to stop crime?

The tax on the ammo was to generate money to pay for the mental health screenings and the other stuff, not to prevent anything.

[MikeHawkBiggums]

So is denying one's 2nd amendment right without cause.

Not within our current status quo. The Second Amendment is treated like a privilege.

[residesinAZ]

Something about that doesn't seem right.

BRB, carrying a weapon every day for safety yet never fired it and the time comes to use it to protect yourself/someone else and you shoot the wrong person because you don't have any practice and don't expect the recoil and the gun flys in the air, hits the floor and causes a discharge and shoots someone else.

I live in the wild west.
All you need is the money to buy the gun/holster/ammo and you can put it on/carry it anywhere that allows it. Open, concealed, loaded, whatever.
I personally don't carry, don't feel the need to with everyone else carrying.
Its kind of hilarious.

[Ted Nugent]

I find it funny that they try to claim that theyre ridiculous amounts of school shootings are not related to their non existant gun control laws.

I find it funny that there are countries all over the world with zero gun control and easy access to full auto weapons, and there are still literally zero school shootings

you raise fuked up kids in a fuked up culture youre going to have fuked up consequences

but no one wants to bring that to the table, far easier to place all the blame on an evil little piece of metal and plastic

[Boringbreh]

I think they need to stop dropping bombs on middle eastern civilians and just hand everyone with sanity and a non violent history a cheap revolver and these proposed classes for day or night schedules. Ta-da. Vigilante justice every ****in day. Also lets see Jihad Joe take a plane with 60 gun toting americans onboard. Even a fatass can hold a gun and squeeze the trigger. And all these punks that think guns don't have a place in their homes can suck it, if ANYONE other than themselves has possession of this specific hand gun then they get the 5 year penalty. But then again I'm sure this wouldn't work for several reasons (just like their chitty proposal)

[Tuksonrider]

Not within our current status quo. The Second Amendment is treated like a privilege.

It is. And it is becoming increasing a cause for concern. Certain local jurisdictions where obtaining a Gun permit is having to get permission from the local Constable is wrong on so many levels. You basically have to prove that you "need" a firearm for protection.