Is the deadlift a push or pull exercise?

[TyGuy505]

You're overcomplicating the semantics of pushing and pulling. The point of this thread is to bring awareness to people who deadlift properly by pushing their feet into the ground and pushing the hips forward. Your hands are merely used as a hook and the back should not be be engaged in the exercise at all

Brb deadlifting without using my back

U fuking wot m8

[John4789]

Push and Pull don't relate to anything. If you categorise the deadlift like that either way you're leaving something out.

[trailless]

lol at the imbeciles saying push.

go up to a barbell on the ground and push on it. it's not coming off the ground morans.

you can always determine this by where the force is acting on your hands. if the force from the bar is on your fingers, your pulling. if its on the palm, your pushing

In a proper conventional deadlift, your arms are straight levers holding onto the weight. Your back is another straight lever used to hold up your arms. The joints are your hips and shoulders. Your legs are used to push the weight up and your hips are pushed forward to stand up straight.

If you go full potato and go hunch back of notre dame, the back is then used to "pull" up the weight. That's when you enter snap city... Also, the lift will get redlighted at any sanctioned meet.

[fulanoo]

brb hack squats now pull exercise cuz pulling weight off the ground. rofl

[trailless]

brb hack squats now pull exercise cuz pulling weight off the ground. rofl

Never go full potato. NEVER.

[fulanoo]

Never go full potato. NEVER.

misc logic bruh

[E-Tank]

fuking lol at this thread. You never fail to brings lulz misc

[naich]

Im glad every 400lb deadlifter ITT thinks they've reinvented the lift because they watched a 15 minute video. But you are wrong, your back, especially in a conventional stance is a major part of the lift, as in you are using it to move the weight purposefully, not just as a lever.


Watch anyone who deadlifts 800+ conventionally....theres a lot of back involved.

[naich]

In a proper conventional deadlift, your arms are straight levers holding onto the weight. Your back is another straight lever used to hold up your arms. The joints are your hips and shoulders. Your legs are used to push the weight up and your hips are pushed forward to stand up straight.

If you go full potato and go hunch back of notre dame, the back is then used to "pull" up the weight. That's when you enter snap city... Also, the lift will get redlighted at any sanctioned meet.

now you are just talking out of your ass. Please stop.

[Stynieke]

how can the deadlift be a push when our eyes arent even real

[tom11]

It's a push. If you're pulling it, I've got some bad news for you.

Who the fuk cares about if it's a push or a pull? Does it matter? Also LMFAO at *******s that base their program around "pushing" and "pulling". Yeah *******s, that lateral raise you have in your push day is definitely a push. And the cable fly and the dumbbell fly is a nice push too.

[Dreyth]

You shouldn't be pulling it at all unless you're doing a stiff leg deadlift which is a different exercise as a whole.

The lower back is heavily involved in a deadlift. Explain to me how to push with my lower back and not pull with my lower back as a dynamic stabalizer.

Lower body pushes, upper body pulls. if the upper body didnt pull, you would tip over and fall on your face.

I would consider it a "pulling motion" because you are moving the weight closer to you. Squats would be a "pushing motion" because you are moving the weight in a direction away from you.

^^ this is a good point

It's a push.

Standing up is pushing your feet into the ground with a hip hinge

ignore the bar, stand up.

^^ this is also a good point

which means:

its all semantics. nobody has agreed on a defintion of PUSH or PULL yet. we need to agree on that first, then apply it to specific exercises.


but in the context of programming, does it matter whether its a push or pull? no, it matters which muscles it hits.


/thread

[TypeZero]

Standard DL?

It's a push, or at least that's the train of thought you should have when approaching it. I can see it being a pull in the sense that your back muscles are contracting to hold the weight in proper form.

[BenBlue]

Im glad every 400lb deadlifter ITT thinks they've reinvented the lift because they watched a 15 minute video. But you are wrong, your back, especially in a conventional stance is a major part of the lift, as in you are using it to move the weight purposefully, not just as a lever.


Watch anyone who deadlifts 800+ conventionally....theres a lot of back involved.

This very much. Anyone claiming that the DL doesn't incorporate the entire back as a major part of the lift, is just kidding themselves. Now refresh my memory kiddos, does back work involve push or pull?

[j.w.13]

if you think you're "pushing" with your hips you're an idiot. pushing your hips through is a contraction of the glutes (+hams, lower back). posterior chain contraction causing the weight to come closer to the active muscle--there's your pull.

(by no means saying there is no pushing involved, but this is why it's a pull)

Look at it this way. When you get in the deadlift position, are your legs bent? If so how do you straighten your legs while standing up? Don't you push?

I'm assuming you've seen someone at the gym do hip thrusts with their shoulder blades/upperback on a bench. When they are trying to lift their hips up to parallel, are they not pushing their hips? Now picture that person doing a hip thrust but standing up. Forget the arms, they're basically levers with weight attached to them. If you picture that, is the deadlift not a push?

that's not a function of a hip contracting to push the weight up, it's a function of the posterior chain contracting to pull the femurs into a parallel position with your torso.

you can always determine this by where the force is acting on your hands. if the force from the bar is on your fingers, your pulling. if its on the palm, your pushing

i do fingertip pushups like a saiyan warrior. your move.

[amazinglarry104]

In a proper conventional deadlift, your arms are straight levers holding onto the weight. Your back is another straight lever used to hold up your arms. The joints are your hips and shoulders. Your legs are used to push the weight up and your hips are pushed forward to stand up straight.

If you go full potato and go hunch back of notre dame, the back is then used to "pull" up the weight. That's when you enter snap city... Also, the lift will get redlighted at any sanctioned meet.

strong logic. it's impossible to push on a barbell that is sitting on the ground and have it come off the ground. unless you are underneath the bar. in the case of a deadlift, you are not.

who cares what your muscles are using. it's like saying a curl is a push exercise because your arms are pushing the weight up

[trailless]

strong logic. it's impossible to push on a barbell that is sitting on the ground and have it come off the ground. unless you are underneath the bar. in the case of a deadlift, you are not.

who cares what your muscles are using. it's like saying a curl is a push exercise because your arms are pushing the weight up

Really? You don't see where I'm coming from? I'm not saying to push the barbell down... Strong reading comprehension. I'm saying the arms and back are straight levers hinged at the hips and shoulders. I'm not looking at what the weight does in relation to the ground. I'm looking at what the body does to get the weight off the ground... If you don't understand this, then go on your merry way potato.

[isaku900]

Really? You don't see where I'm coming from? I'm not saying to push the barbell down... Strong reading comprehension. I'm saying the arms and back are straight levers hinged at the hips and shoulders. I'm not looking at what the weight does in relation to the ground. I'm looking at what the body does to get the weight off the ground... If you don't understand this, then go on your merry way potato.

and the hip hinge is a pull.

[BenBlue]

and the hip hinge is a pull.

ding ding ding!

[SeymourCake]

this very much. Anyone claiming that the dl doesn't incorporate the entire back as a major part of the lift, is just kidding themselves. Now refresh my memory kiddos, does back work involve push or pull?

the back is not involved at all in the lift although the muscles are targeted.

[amikaelmorris]

the back is not involved at all in the lift although the muscles are targeted.

isometrics are pretty seriously considered "involved"

[Ausaric]

It doesn't matter. Different joints and muscles do different things.

The legs push and the arms pull. WTF is ths point of this thread?

[Ausaric]

the back is not involved at all in the lift although the muscles are targeted.

The back is involved to a great degree to support the healthy spinal curvature necessary for an injury-free lift.

If the back weren't involved, your spinal column would collapse due to the fact that the deadlift is primarily a hip extension movement utilizing the gluteals and hamstrings.

[CynicalSphere]

"Pushing movements: muscles begin to contract eccentrically"

"Pulling movements: muscles begin to contract concentrically"

/thread.

Fukking retards.

[ruskism]

Push with your legs like you're performing a leg press while keeping your lats relatively tight and your lower back arched.

[Ausaric]

In a proper conventional deadlift, your arms are straight levers holding onto the weight. Your back is another straight lever used to hold up your arms. The joints are your hips and shoulders. Your legs are used to push the weight up and your hips are pushed forward to stand up straight.

If you go full potato and go hunch back of notre dame, the back is then used to "pull" up the weight. That's when you enter snap city... Also, the lift will get redlighted at any sanctioned meet.

I don't know what you talk about when you say "snap city" and it's dumb whatever it means...

But plenty of champion deadlifters utilize and maintain thoracic kyphosis during the initiation of the deadlift while maintaining lumbar lordosis.

In such a case, thoracic extension to retract the scapula sufficiently is required to complete the lift. But the most important aspect of the deadlift is gluteal contraction to cause hip extension to lock out the hips.

[Ausaric]

"Pushing movements: muscles begin to contract eccentrically"

"Pulling movements: muscles begin to contract concentrically"

/thread.

Fukking retards.

That makes sense to people who know what you're talking about, but those who are uninformed certainly aren't retards if they don't understand it.

[Superh1]

Lol OP, you arent smart of clever. It is a Pull.
It's impossible to push the bar off of the floor. LoL. I'll leave it at that.

Try it next time. Push as hard as you can. The bar will not budge.

What you meant was: You get more power out of pushing with your hips/glutes/legs than you generally do from the pulling that the upperbody must do to make it move.

[CynicalSphere]

That makes sense to people who know what you're talking about, but those who are uninformed certainly aren't retards if they don't understand it.

It's the definition of both forces. Don't claim the deadlift is a pushing force if you don't even know what a pushing force is.

[ruskism]

Lol OP, you arent smart of clever. It is a Pull.
It's impossible to push the bar off of the floor. LoL. I'll leave it at that.

Try it next time. Push as hard as you can. The bar will not budge.

Push with your legs and tell me the bar doesn't come off the floor, lol.

just lol.