**Official Misc INTERSTELLAR Discussion Thread** (Spoilers)

[everglide123]

Movie sypnosis: With our time on Earth coming to an end, a team of explorers undertakes the most important mission in human history; traveling beyond this galaxy to discover whether mankind has a future among the stars.

IMDB RATING: 9.1(as of 112k votes)
Metacritic rating : 73 (35 Positive, 10 Mixes, 1 Negative)
Rottentomates score: 73% (88% Audience score)


Thread rules:
1. Spoilers allowed
2. Movie criticism is allowed but please read the FAQ first.
3. Movie praising is allowed, let people know what you think. This movie will be discussed and debated for years.
4. Stupid questions allowed but please read FAQ first.



F.A.Q (MASSIVE SPOILERS, don't read unless you've seen it

Such an ambitious and risky movie will inevitable create a lot of questions, these answers aren't definite and will progress as the community comes up with more interpretations and a better understand.

Q. When does the soundtrack come out?
A. 18th of November, Hans Zimmer wanted the audience to experience the score for the first time, during the movie. Movie scores are usually released 2 weeks prior.
The two only released tracks at the moment is the Main theme from the teaser trailer, and a bonus track called Day One Dark (this one is slightly different from the docking scene, a bit less epic). All other tracks on youtube are trailer songs or fakes.




Q. What was that Cylinder world at the end, where the baseball hits the ceiling?
It's called an O'Neill cylinder, it's a space settlement design proposed by American physicist Gerard K. O'Neill. It would rotate so as to provide artificial gravity via centrifugal force on their inner surfaces.

Q. Who are 'They'?
A. Cooper assumes “They” are future humans who have mastered the laws of our universe - allowing them to manipulate time and space. Brand thinks “They” have laid out a series of rudimentary breadcrumbs (binary messages) and advanced technology (the wormhole) for humans to follow – in order to save ourselves from annihilation.

Q.What is the Event Horizon?
A. The point at which the gravitational pull becomes so great as to make escape impossible, aka The point of no return.

What is Singularity?
A. term used to describe the center of a black hole where the gravity is thought to be infinite. What happens inside black holes is still not completely known or understood. This gives filmmakers some leeway.

Q.How did Cooper not die when going into Event Horizon?

A. When he flew into the black hole and reached the Singularity, he was transported by "They" into a 5 dimensional world ("tesseract") where, after, with the help of TARS, sends a message to his daughter in the past, afterwards he ends up going back through the wormhole located near the orbit of Saturn. Where he is found.

Q. Did Love save Humanity?
A. No, It is explained that the Tesseract is simply a creation of 5D beings who are using the faith and motivation that Coop has, fueled by love, to complete this time loop. The bookcase is important because it is his most vivid and strong connection he has to his daughter, and she is the key to solving everything. From there, the idea that gravity is the only thing that can transcend time and space become a key point, a concept that is very much rooted in current physical theories and understanding. Love, an evolutionary drive, was the motivation for Cooper to keep desperately trying to find a way to save Humanity and his daughter Murph.

What is a Tesseract?
A. It's a four-dimensional cube, 'They' custom build the Tesseract that Cooper falls into so that he can communicate with his Daughter, time is non-linear in 5 dimensions, this allows Cooper to visit his daughter through the bookcase at any point in time.

Q. Could Cooper have just died when detached near the black hole, and dreamt up the Tesseract scene?
A. Some claim this, Dr. Mann says that Cooper will see his Kids when dying.

Q. What was the key equation that allowed Humans to survive in the end?
A. It was an advanced equation, that if solved, will allow humans to harness fifth-dimensional physics – specifically gravity. Should Brand succeed, NASA will be able to defy our traditional understanding of physics and launch an enormous space station (carrying the remainder of Earth’s surviving population) into space. The very facility that Cooper and Murph stumble upon at the beginning of the film isn’t just a NASA research station – it’s a construction site for humankind’s space-traveling ark.

What's the message of the movie?

A. There are many, but here's what the script Writer Jonah Nolan wrote in an interview with IGN:

Question: What are some things that you'd like audiences to take away from the film?
Jonah Nolan Answer: "The paradoxical aspect of human beings. We love with such an intensity: our children, our parents, our families -- and yet all of us, to different degrees, make choices that take us away from those people, because of our curiosity or our ambition; all these warring, paradoxical desires. I don't have an answer for that. I don't think anyone has an answer for that. What's more important: your career, your kids -- we all struggle with that every day, and that paradox is at the center of this film. Human organisms are forged by natural selection to want to continue to explore, even in the most unlikely ways -- standing on the shores of a tiny island and imagining that there might be another island a thousand miles hence over the ocean, and then going and looking for it. Human beings are incredible survivors on that level, but we're also very connected to our children and our loved ones. Those things are so often in conflict with each other"


Q. Isn't there a time travel paradox? How did future humans first survive to make a Tesseract – given that there would have been no Tesseract to save them?
A. Here is a possible explanation apart from the common 'What comes first? The chicken or the egg' explanation.

'At the end of the movie we see that the third planet, on which Brand lands on, is habitable. She puts Plan B into action; the fertilized human embryos. It's possible that Brand and the human embryos are “They” (future race of humans who created the wormhole and placed the tesseract inside the black hole for Cooper). Only human to know that Cooper had went into the black hole would be Brand. Meanwhile they found a planet habitable like Earth.That is where Nolan’s non-linear style comes into play because the very end of the movie (last shot of Brand) is actually the beginning for it all. “Murphy’s law means whatever can happen, will happen” So not only did they find a habitable planet but they were also able to travel back in time to ensure that present human race’s survival.' (Credits: Rashonxxx from Screenrant)

This can be explained by this flow:




Science of Interstellar Book released by the scientific consultant of the movie Kip Thorne, the free sample is a great read, highly recommended: http://play.google.com/store/books/d...d=PbWYBAAAQBAJ
A great detailed full explanation of the ending and movie is on Screenrant.com: http://screenrant.com/interstellar-e...s-time-travel/
Interview with Jonathan Nolan about the movie, spoiler heavy: http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/11/...ellar-spoilers
Science of Interstellar Documentary, released just now, narrated by Matthew McConaughey. It even includes an interview with Elon Musk (approx. around 35 mins) about colonizing Mars, really interesting.



Some beautiful fanart:







Epic set pictures

[everglide123]

Did any brahs see the movie in 70mm? Is it sick for this movie? I saw TDK in 70mm but it wasn't mind-blowing.

[ScubaStevo]

It was a damn good movie and I enjoyed it very much. I had fun picking holes in it though.

[everglide123]

incredible song, can't wait for it to be released.

[theburritobuddy]

Saw it in Imax last night. There are definitely parts where the actors are inaudible because Hans Zimmer was orgasming from his music or something.

[jmonty]

I think the whole idea for this movie began as someone (under the influence of something likely) saying "dude, dude, what if we made Matthew McConaughey stay the same age, but everyone else got older????"

[SOLIDOPS]

i want the soundtrack

[theburritobuddy]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrt-L_9L3FI

Best part of the movie for me.

[everglide123]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrt-L_9L3FI

Best part of the movie for me.

my reaction during that scene:

[P51]

Fuk I want to see it, but the girl I usually see movies with doesn't like this "nerdy" stuff. Only way she will go is if I buy her ticket too. Fuk dunno if the movie is THAT good.


Might see it alone at like noon or something lol.

[MisterChase]

Is there any plausible basis for believing that humans can come so close to a black hole and not get REKT by dat dere radiation? I'm seriously curious, and curiously serious.

[everglide123]

Fuk I want to see it, but the girl I usually see movies with doesn't like this "nerdy" stuff. Only way she will go is if I buy her ticket too. Fuk dunno if the movie is THAT good.


Might see it alone at like noon or something lol.

GTFO of this thread, it's full of spoilers. Go see it alone, you won't regret it, even all the haters feel the need to discuss it.

Is there any plausible basis for believing that humans can come so close to a black hole and not get REKT by dat dere radiation? I'm seriously curious, and curiously serious.

I think the only explanation is that the Tesseract saved Cooper before he reached that deadly point. But yea, there wouldn't be any tension or black holes in this movie, if they would just die when getting close. Scientists don't exactly know what happens if you were to go inside a black hole, so it gives filmmakers some leeway.

[JazB]

Fuk I want to see it, but the girl I usually see movies with doesn't like this "nerdy" stuff. Only way she will go is if I buy her ticket too. Fuk dunno if the movie is THAT good.


Might see it alone at like noon or something lol.

Tell her to piss off and watch ''keeping up with the kardashians'' or something

[MisterChase]

I think the only explanation is that the Tesseract saved Cooper before he reached that deadly point. But yea, there wouldn't be any tension or black holes in this movie, if they would just die when getting close. Scientists don't exactly know what happens if you were to go inside a black hole, so it gives filmmakers some leeway.

Oh I'm not even talking about Cooper falling into the black hole. I'm talking about when they went to the first planet with the monstrous waves, that orbited the black hole so closely that the time dilation factor was a factor of 60,000.

[wannabetoughguy]

My favorite scene was when he leaves on the mission and his sobbing daughter chases after him. All kinds of teary eyed.

Many sniffles were heard when he meets his daughter on her death bed. Money well spent.

[everglide123]

'Is there any plausible basis for believing that humans can come so close to a black hole and not get REKT by dat dere radiation? I'm seriously curious, and curiously serious.

"Some have also claimed that the radiation emitted, namely, Hawking radiation from the massive black hole should be enough to kill the nearby observers. This is also a misconception of what Hawking radiation is. Hawking radiation is a quantum effect, and is given by the equation:



That is, this gives you the temperature of the electromagnetic radiation emitted from a black hole. Let us do some calculations for the black hole in question. For a Kerr black hole, we have that the surface gravity is (see the discussion in Hervik and Gron):



The other constants in the temperature formula above are the well-known Planck’s constant, Boltzmann’s constant, and speed of light. Putting these two equations together and substituting the numbers that we derived in the previous section, we see that the temperature of EM radiation emitted from the giant black hole in the movie is approximately:



which is extremely, extremely negligible! Therefore, no one will die from the EM radiation emitted from the massive spinning black hole!"

Oh I'm not even talking about Cooper falling into the black hole. I'm talking about when they went to the first planet with the monstrous waves, that orbited the black hole so closely that the time dilation factor was a factor of 60,000.

"Also, by popular request, some have claimed that the planet close to the black hole should be completely destroyed by tidal forces, since it is so close to the black hole. This is not so. For this discussion, I will revert back to the Schwarzschild metric, since the mathematics is simpler, but the discussion can of course be extended to the Kerr metric. Consider the planet in question (the water planet) at a radial position r. The tidal forces felt by the planetary body are measured by the orthonormal components of the Riemann curvature tensor. If we consider a static orthonormal frame as is done in Misner, Thorne and Wheeler, we have:



At this radial position, we obtain for the Riemann curvature tensor components:



Now, we can transform over to the planet’s frame by applying a Lorentz boost in the radial direction with velocity:


One sees that all components of the the curvature tensor are completely unaffected by this boost! One therefore sees that none of the components of the curvature tensor in the planet’s reference frame become infinite at the gravitational radius. Moreover, as the planet/observer approaches the horizon, as can be seen from the Riemann components, the tidal forces are finite, and do not tear anything apart, at least when the mass M is very large (as is the case in the film). However, let us see the curvature invariants, for a Schwarzschild metric we have:



This is invariant, and so is a singularity in every reference frame. Indeed, as r -> 0, the tidal forces become infinite. So, only past the horizon, very close to the singularity, do we have to worry about tidal forces from the black hole breaking anything up!

Now, the astro community are largely mistaken on this whole tidal force ripping up the planet. All the papers they use are citing the whole idea of using the Roche limit. This can’t be done for several reasons. As I outlined for another astronomer (who will remain unnamed for this posting), the problem is as follows:

I am a stickler for mathematical form, and I refuse to acknowledge the validity of the Roche limit in General Relativity. Here are my reasons:

1. Even if I was to conclude that a spherical body orbiting a Kerr black hole will break up because of the tidal forces as described by the Roche limit, this conclusion is highly questionable without a 2-body GR approach because: you are assuming from the onset that the Kerr black hole remains spherical, and the mass in question has no effect on the Kerr black hole, so you are implicitly using a far-field approximation from the onset.

2. Newtonian gravity is linear, GR is not. Since there’s no 2-body problem analytic solution in GR, there is simply NO GR equivalent of the Roche limit.

3. The Roche limit is simply a result of Lagrange points in 2-body orbital Newtonian mechanics, and I prefer to leave it there. Adding GR corrections is not good enough.

4. In the Roche limit and the governing Newtonian regime, pressure does not generate any gravitational field, but, as you well know, in GR, pressure does contribute to the En.Mom tenor, and as a result the gravitational attraction. In fact, if collapse happen sufficiently far, the pressure growth goes exponentially and it is far more important than the rest-mass density.

5. The real way to do this problem aside from considering a 2-body problem in GR, and getting an analytic solution, is to consider an internal Schwarzschild geometry in an external Kerr geometry background. But, because of the cross-term in the Kerr metric that one cannot transform away because of any coordinate transformation, the matching conditions are impossible to derive. If I on the other hand assume an external Schwarzschild geometry (which is not relevant for this problem, but…) then one obtains the well-known TOV equation. The TOV equation is essentially how one obtains the collapse conditions properly.

6. The Roche limit is a Newtonian result, and because of the linearity of Newtonian gravity, and the lack of pressure contributing to gravity, prevent any such effect in Newtonian physics.

7. The Roche limit arguments are always weak-field effects, which will not give you an accurate answer especially in this regard.

It does raise an interesting question though. Why do you insist on using the Roche limit if the pressure influencing spacetime curvature (which would be significant because of the magnitude of the tidal forces) cannot be accounted for in this approach? It is in fact worse than this. If I have a significant pressure as implied by the Roche limit, then the En-Mom tensor is no longer non-zero, and one does not even have a Schwarzschild/Kerr or any other vacuum solution. This now goes into the domain of cosmology, which makes this problem, much, more difficult.

Finally, there are also issues having to do with causality, the fact that the governing structural equations in the Roche limit approach are elliptic PDEs (the Poisson equation) and the heat equation, which is a parabolic PDE. Both are acausal, in the case of elliptic PDEs, all solutions are spacelike, and no physical body would move along spacelike hypersurfaces.

Therefore, for all these mathematical points, I refuse to acknowledge the validity of the Roche limit in this situation, and prefer a non-Newtonian GR approach, and it is the only correct way to do this problem. But, like I said, we’re approaching this from different points-of-view, Phil and the astro community seem to be satisfied with approximate solutions! - (Thanks to GFE and CCD for pointing some of these points out in an interesting discussion on the mathematical formulation of Einstein’s equations!)"





source:http://ikjyotsinghkohli24.wordpress....-interstellar/


This is all over my IQ level, it's a science-fiction movie, not a research documentary, so I don't care about trying to find scientific plotholes when the whole science was reviewed by Kip Thorne already. And praised by Neil Degrasse Tyson + Michiu Kaku. The important point of the movie was to enjoy it, and make you think.

[everglide123]

My favorite scene was when he leaves on the mission and his sobbing daughter chases after him. All kinds of teary eyed.

Many sniffles were heard when he meets his daughter on her death bed. Money well spent.

- When he lifts over the blanket to see if she's there. Young daughter was cute as fuk, wood cuddle.

- The very old Murph in bed who says 'But my Daddy promised me', as if she was still the child that he left behind. Those feels mane.

- The whole Tesseract scene blew my mind. Everything was just an ordinary adventure movie up to that point. Tesseract scene was pretty much Nolan going all-in, huge balls to do that for a general audience movie that has to make at least 450 million worldwide to start making a profit.


Official blackboard from Interstellar website:

[AceMuscle22]

I thought it was an amazing movie.




A couple major holes in the movie: What caused the wormhole? It would have to be something unfathomably massive to the point where the gravity of it would be able to bend spacetime. Also, getting close to the event horizon of the black hole would cause the spaceship to be torn apart or absolutely destroyed by x-rays. I am sure there are plenty of other things that I missed that are completely above me.


But nonetheless, it was an incredible movie. I came out of the movie really questioning why I (and others) get so hung up over such petty things when there is a infinite universe right above our heads and whatever we do, or think, or say, has absolutely no impact on the greater universe. It was a humbling feeling.

[sh3156]

The most overrated movie on the misc....ever

[azmal]

I thought it was an amazing movie.




A couple major holes in the movie: What caused the wormhole? It would have to be something unfathomably massive to the point where the gravity of it would be able to bend spacetime. Also, getting close to the event horizon of the black hole would cause the spaceship to be torn apart or absolutely destroyed by x-rays. I am sure there are plenty of other things that I missed that are completely above me.


But nonetheless, it was an incredible movie. I came out of the movie really questioning why I (and others) get so hung up over such petty things when there is a infinite universe right above our heads and whatever we do, or think, or say, has absolutely no impact on the greater universe. It was a humbling feeling.

Future humans who were much more technologically advanced and had mastered anti-gravity etc... were the ones who created and placed the wormhole by Saturn for Cooper and crew to go through.

You're right their ship should have been torn apart long before gliding over the accretion disc but it's a movie and still a great one. However in saying that I'm pretty sure the accretion disc is one of the hottest and brightest things in the universe so their spaceship should have melted fairly easily even if it didn't get torn apart.

One thing I'd like answered is that as we know a accretion disc is formed when a black hole is feeding on say a planet, star, gas, dust etc... but in the movie all we see is the disc itself and not the main body from where the black hole is feeding. I wonder if that black hole was actually even feeding or was the accretion disc just there permanently in orbit around the black hole? If the latter then I don't think that was possible.

Here's a picture of a black hole ripping apart a star which is forming an accretion disc around it. So you can imagine if a star can be ripped apart like that from that distance then their ship stands now chance of surviving the way it did.

[letshavebabies]

anyone think it's absolute nonsense that humans can ever "evolve" beyond the 5th dimension? i thought it was just nolan's way of saying "god did it"

[theburritobuddy]

I thought it was an amazing movie.




A couple major holes in the movie: What caused the wormhole? It would have to be something unfathomably massive to the point where the gravity of it would be able to bend spacetime. Also, getting close to the event horizon of the black hole would cause the spaceship to be torn apart or absolutely destroyed by x-rays. I am sure there are plenty of other things that I missed that are completely above me.


But nonetheless, it was an incredible movie. I came out of the movie really questioning why I (and others) get so hung up over such petty things when there is a infinite universe right above our heads and whatever we do, or think, or say, has absolutely no impact on the greater universe. It was a humbling feeling.

"They" created the wormhole. The ship was about to get destroyed. That is when cooper ejected.

[AceMuscle22]

"They" created the wormhole. The ship was about to get destroyed. That is when cooper ejected.

Yes, I understand that "they" (the humans from the future planet that Brand colonized) created it. But how did "they" create it? Obviously you can only make an assumption.

[jmonty]

Yes, I understand that "they" (the humans from the future planet that Brand colonized) created it. But how did "they" create it? Obviously you can only make an assumption.

Their proximity to the black hole allowed them to unlock secrets about space-time so they had whatever technology and knowledge needed to create worm holes and manipulate time.

[everglide123]

anyone think it's absolute nonsense that humans can ever "evolve" beyond the 5th dimension? i thought it was just nolan's way of saying "god did it"

Beyond 5th dimension? I think you mean beyond 3rd dimension.

Don't you think that in the far advanced future, where we can upgrade our brains, like we upgrade computers, with new chips, that we'll actually be able to understand and see other dimensions? We are far from understanding all the laws of nature, the biggest discoveries are yet to come.

This video may help you understand the 5th dimension:



Our species will need to be become some sort of God to not go extinct in the future, the sun will eventually die and we'll go to find a new home, human colonies will spread out all over the universe, a bit like how homo sapiens went from east africa, all the way to Australia and America.

Yes, I understand that "they" (the humans from the future planet that Brand colonized) created it. But how did "they" create it? Obviously you can only make an assumption.

These advanced humans have cracked the code and have some sort of control of spacetime and gravity. It's all speculation but the cool thing is that, nobody knows what exactly is possible because we don't understand all the laws of nature yet, especially on a Quantum level.

[The Prime Nip]

So that planet where Cooper woke up 120 years old, which planet was that? Or was it something else the humans built outside of Saturn?

[peterj1994]

So that planet where Cooper woke up 120 years old, which planet was that? Or was it something else the humans built outside of Saturn?

That was a space station that humans built near the wormhole in saturns orbit.

[T-Roach]

bump

[everglide123]

So that planet where Cooper woke up 120 years old, which planet was that? Or was it something else the humans built outside of Saturn?

Did you not read the FAQ? That question gets asked constantly.

It's an o'neil cylinder style space station. There are many pics online of possible concepts:



Humans will travel around the universe in these, if we don't kill ourselves with religion, politics and stupidity before then.

[letshavebabies]

Beyond 5th dimension? I think you mean beyond 3rd dimension.

Don't you think that in the far advanced future, where we can upgrade our brains, like we upgrade computers, with new chips, that we'll actually be able to understand and see other dimensions? We are far from understanding all the laws of nature, the biggest discoveries are yet to come.

This video may help you understand the 5th dimension:



Our species will need to be become some sort of God to not go extinct in the future, the sun will eventually die and we'll go to find a new home, human colonies will spread out all over the universe, a bit like how homo sapiens went from east africa, all the way to Australia and America.


These advanced humans have cracked the code and have some sort of control of spacetime and gravity. It's all speculation but the cool thing is that, nobody knows what exactly is possible because we don't understand all the laws of nature yet, especially on a Quantum level.

yeah i meant the 3rd dimension. and no i don't think that we will ever go to the 5th dimension.