Do chest dips make your chest leaner or does it bulk it up? My chest has some body fat in the lower area and I was wondering if chest dips would make them bigger or would they lean them out?
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Thread: What do dips leaning forward do?
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11-08-2014, 10:19 PM #1
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11-08-2014, 10:25 PM #2
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11-08-2014, 10:27 PM #3
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11-08-2014, 10:29 PM #4
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11-08-2014, 10:34 PM #5
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11-08-2014, 10:49 PM #6
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11-09-2014, 09:38 AM #7
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11-09-2014, 10:01 AM #8
first of all you're operating under a previously debunked phenomena called "spot reduction." bodybuilders used to believe that the area you target was subject to increased caloric expenditure. in other words if you targeted a specific muscle, lets say your chest, that you would not only add muscle there, you'd also remove fat. this is not the way fat burning works.
if you're worried about adding too much "mass" that is to say bulky muscle and muscle glycogen, then you could stimulate more of your type 1 fibers, as opposed to your type 2a. the effect would be a leaner muscle. to accomplish this you'd increase your rep range. 15-20 would be a good place to start.
also leaning forward puts additional pressure on your chest, if your goal is to minimize your chest involvement attempt to do the exercise in more upright position. this will target your tris and delts more.BS in molecular biochemistry
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11-09-2014, 10:35 AM #9
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11-09-2014, 02:24 PM #10
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11-09-2014, 02:58 PM #11
I disagree with this statement, although I thought overall it was a good post. Muscle is "lean" whereas fat is not. Saying you want "leaner" muscle IMO is like saying you want "wetter" water. Water is wet, muscle is lean, and neither is going to be wetter or leaner because "lean" in bbing context(s) means a lack of fat. The two are totally different tissues.
I think what he meant to say is that stimulating the fibers that are exhausted in higher rep ranges is less likely to lead to hypertrophy. In other words, doing high reps will be less likely to lead to larger pecs.
I apologize for being so literal, but I wanted to make this distinction.
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11-09-2014, 04:07 PM #12
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11-09-2014, 05:02 PM #13
Yes, yes he did. Normally I don't speak for people, but I thought I could here because we could be reasonably certain of what he meant.
But just to be crystal clear: when we're talking fitness, "lean" means a lack of fat. Furthermore, "lean" is a property of muscle (because it's an entirely different tissue from fat...kinda like how your hair is "lean" because it isn't bodyfat) just like "wet" is a property of water. We may want leaner bodies, but that just means we want more muscle and/or less fat. Saying you want leaner muscles is misleading and improper because even a sumo wrestler has perfectly lean muscles.
But aside from that literal overreach, his point is well taken
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11-09-2014, 05:15 PM #14
you're right. and I used a poor term if one wants to argue semantics.
at the risk of overcomplicating a fairly simple concept allow me to explain.
first of allow you have to understand that aerobic exercise is ~ 15 times more energy efficient than anaerobic. muscle size is a product of muscle and muscle glycogen (potential energy).
now the major difference between type 1 and type 2 muscle fibers is their ability to use oxygen. type 1 fibers are full of mitochondria (and as a result more myoglobin giving it it's characteristic red appearance) type 2 are not. the reason is that mitochondria are required for aerobic activity. as a result type 1 fibers are roughly 15 times more energy efficient than type 2 fibers (2a and 2b are different also but i'm simplifying here). so what does this mean?
it means that there is considerably more muscle glycogen associated with type 2 fibers (to compensate for the reduction in atp generation) compared to type 1 fibers. as I mentioned earlier muscle size is a product of both the muscle and the muscle glycogen. my point therefore is that muscles that are stimulated in higher rep ranges, (ones that have adapted to prolonged activity and have adapted with increased mitochondria in order to facilitate aerobic activity), are "leaner" due to the decrease in muscle glycogen associated with them.
just compare a long distance runner's legs and a sprinters. long distance (type 1 fibers) are considerably smaller than sprinters (type 2a and 2b) largely because of this discrepancy in muscle glycogen.
edit: and just for the record I never said anything about hypertrophy. I was specifically referring to the amount of muscle glycogen.Last edited by Pridehurtsform; 11-09-2014 at 05:50 PM.
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11-09-2014, 05:24 PM #15
You can't spot target body fat. Fat is not muscle; you can't contract it or make it work. The right routine and strict caloric restriction will burn fat. Depending on your genetics, you might start losing fat in certain body areas first. Usually belly fat is last to go.
Leaning forward dips will engage chest muscles more; vertical dips will work triceps more. Both kinds will give a good measure of work for upper body muscles regardless of the angle variation.Harmonia Early Music: http://www.harmoniaearlymusic.org
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