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    Originally Posted by Zerafian View Post
    thats not 5'5 and 190+



    this chart is completely incorrect. At 5'10 Id have 15lbs on that chart in contest condition and Im natty
    you think you would be 187lb at contest condition 5'10





    too much delusion
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    Originally Posted by Yousefthegreat View Post
    Misc has no hope. If you think you can't get like that unless you ride the bike, then I am afraid none of you will make it. srs
    Honestly I keep seeing dudes who claim he's not natty are usually not that big at all and relatively new lifters (1-3 years max).
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    Originally Posted by Solid185 View Post
    Just curious....if you are 5'9 170 @ 10% with 7+ years of training, how do you think it's possible for him to be 5'5 190 @ 8ish natty?
    Those numbers are like 3 or 4 years old. I'm 188-190. Ogus is about the same but shorter. He definitely figured out what works for him sooner than I did.
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    Originally Posted by Yousefthegreat View Post
    Misc has no hope. If you think you can't get like that unless you ride the bike, then I am afraid none of you will make it. srs
    If that's natty, then that would be a world class natty physique. I highly doubt that 99% of people cannot look like that naturally even when doing everything perfect.
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    Originally Posted by OoFaP View Post
    Another thread where the people training under 3 years with sub par results claim not natty and the people who actually know what they are doing and training 7+ years can believe he is. The only thing not natty about him is that OHP.
    100% this.
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    Originally Posted by OoFaP View Post
    Those numbers are like 3 or 4 years old. I'm 188-190. Ogus is about the same but shorter. He definitely figured out what works for him sooner than I did.
    and yet you are still 4 inches taller and few pounds smaller than him. Why is this even a debate, he is hardly natty.
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    Originally Posted by Solid185 View Post
    And great buddies with other "natural" pros; Layne Norton and Ryan Doris. Just lol at the "natural" bbing industry.
    I've actually seen both Ryan Doris and Layne Norton in person at USAPL Raw Nationals. People need to realize these guys look completely different in real life than they do in their instagram photos with perfect lighting and a pump. I'm friends with a guy on ******** that isn't massive in real life and he has a pic up on his profile where he's dwarfing matt ogus
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    Originally Posted by OoFaP View Post
    Those numbers are like 3 or 4 years old. I'm 188-190. Ogus is about the same but shorter. He definitely figured out what works for him sooner than I did.
    So you are 5 pounds lighter, and 4 inches taller. Accounting for height, that is a difference of 33 pounds (7/inch). You think if you figured out what worked for you sooner, you would be 221 pounds?
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    Originally Posted by zinkhan99 View Post
    and yet you are still 4 inches taller and few pounds smaller than him. Why is this even a debate, he is hardly natty.
    He's 5'6.5. I'm 5'8.5. Everyone keeps saying he is 5'5 just to make his numbers seem more "not natty."

    Originally Posted by Brad155 View Post
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    Originally Posted by Solid185 View Post
    If that's natty, then that would be a world class natty physique. I highly doubt that 99% of people cannot look like that naturally even when doing everything perfect.
    I do not like the idea of people placing limitations on themselves. How do you know what you can achieve natty if you do not try? People who claim to do everything perfect are usually the ones not doing everything perfect. I constantly talk to people at my gym who claim to workout "super hard", yet ever time i see them, they are smashing isolation exercises for 45 minutes. I think people on the misc should stop disempowering themselves and start having faith in their abilities. You think this is world class? much lol
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    Originally Posted by RastaKoala View Post
    I've actually seen both Ryan Doris and Layne Norton in person at USAPL Raw Nationals. People need to realize these guys look completely different in real life than they do in their instagram photos with perfect lighting and a pump. I'm friends with a guy on ******** that isn't massive in real life and he has a pic up on his profile where he's dwarfing matt ogus
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    Originally Posted by RastaKoala View Post
    I've actually seen both Ryan Doris and Layne Norton in person at USAPL Raw Nationals. People need to realize these guys look completely different in real life than they do in their instagram photos with perfect lighting and a pump. I'm friends with a guy on ******** that isn't massive in real life and he has a pic up on his profile where he's dwarfing matt ogus
    this isn't true

    some of these guys look even better in video than they do in pictures. They competitors not online daters, it would make no sense if they only looked good in photos.
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    lol.

    So I can get to 193 at like 8% BF (contest ready)?

    Thats like 20lbs of pure muscle and lower bf than my avi.

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    Originally Posted by Youppi View Post
    he is not even 5'7" I don't know why he lied about that, unless he grew 2 inches since it was last confirmed he was 5'5" lol
    Back in 2012 he says himself in profiles that he's 5'5 1/2, now he's claiming 5'7

    Many fitness model types lie about their height. Seid and Lazar by some accounts are only 5'9 despite claiming 6'

    Seid is also confirmed to stand on his toes in pics, I don't really blame him though
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    Originally Posted by jujukonchalski View Post
    lol.

    QFT. I know I'd be around 175-180 at most in contest condition. Natty at sub 8% is small
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    Originally Posted by IzVenomous View Post
    Lol we all know he's riding bikes
    wtf does that have to do with anything
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    Originally Posted by TheMeier View Post
    I swear no one is fuarking natty anymore
    I don't really know about Ogus anymore. Now I think he takes small doses of creatine.

    Chris Jones from POG I actually still believe is totally natty, even tho he's frickin' huge.
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    Originally Posted by Hardboobies View Post
    Back in 2012 he says himself in profiles that he's 5'5 1/2, now he's claiming 5'7

    Many fitness model types lie about their height. Seid and Lazar by some accounts are only 5'9 despite claiming 6'

    Seid is also confirmed to stand on his toes in pics, I don't really blame him though
    Seid definitely lies

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