The Reality of the 9 to 5 system

[2port]

OP while I agree that you have valid points, and the 9-5 lifestyle isn't for everybody - I'd say the problem isn't the way we work, it's the way we consume.

People have a habit of overextending themselves. Credit lets us live beyond our means but it keeps most people in that "slave" state. Cars, mortgage, credit cards etc. All these things we usually buy without thinking of how much we're overextending our means.

So believe me when I say it's not the 9 - 5 that's ruining people, it's debt. The difference between free vs not free has more to do with what you owe the bank than what you're putting in the bank. People in massive amounts of debt are under constant pressure and have no choice but to keep doing what they're doing. That's because I'd say 9/10 people are clinically retarded when it comes to finances and money management and piss money away like no tomorrow. Then wind up in debt and start feeling like slaves because they have to work just to break even.

tl:dr: don't bury yourself in debt and you'll live a much happier life.

Consumerism is the cause of chitty jobs, though. Without all these bullschit products like phones, computers etc. there would be no need to sit at a desk 12 hours a day because the demand for material goods would not be there. Humans would be so much happier if we all just lived off the land, eat a lot, fuk a lot and socialise a lot. That's all we need to be happy, not phones or shoes.

But it's too late now we can't go back.

[Ronnie87]

To be fair I think we could all work a lot less without any massive problems if it was planned and implemented correctly, then again some people enjoy work and would get bored if they suddenly only had to work an 18 hour week.

[JMAG90]

and when are we given an option really? almost everything is taxed, all land is gonna be owned by someone. We are born into the system and cant escape it.

Oh and if you were born out of civilization or given the option to be? What then?

I've been backpacking my whole life and can assure you that you wouldn't last a week without civilization even WITH all the knowledge you've gained from being in it. Without it you wouldn't last 24 hours.

[nickhalaaa]

the 9-5 system is light years ahead of the old system, the get up at the asscrack of dawn, work all day in terrible conditions, and repeat every day but sunday from the time you are ten until you die in a coalmine method that came before it.

[TFMOA]

Oh and if you were born out of civilization or given the option to be? What then?

I've been backpacking my whole life and can assure you that you wouldn't last a week without civilization even WITH all the knowledge you've gained from being in it. Without it you wouldn't last 24 hours.

I'd say that's the problem, we aren't taught basic survival skills that would be needed in situation such as keeping yourself alive in the wild.... That information was passed down through the generations back in the day, not anymore...

[C-Winger]

lol

you know that ppl used to work 12-16hr days before

and before the industrial revolution, ppl did backbreaking manual labor from sunrise to sunset so they could grow enough crops to feed their families. if they were lucky, they took 1 day off per week

8hr days are nothing

Yup. Miscers love to hate on "progressives", but the efforts of organized labor in the early 20th century is the only reason why we have things like sick leave, vacation, benefits, etc. That movement needs to come back.

Before Robery Owen the working day could range from 10 to 16 hours for six days a week...child labour was common, he should be a hero to the working class.

These^.
Brb not spending 12 hours a day inside chimneys and in coal mines beginning at the age of 7.

OP is another 21st century "philosopher".
I like the part where you mention that people lose like 4 recreational hours getting ready/traveling to/from work, yet you don't mention the fact that a lot of people do all their work in like 2 hours and then misc for the other 5 or 6. Or the fact that it is in no way this Owens' fault that people have the luxury of living 30+ minutes away from their work via a modes of transport that would far outstrip the fastest horses. You get to choose where you live. Not his fault that huge populations live in suburbs and then commute over 15 miles away when the average person during Owens' time probably never traveled more than 7 miles from where their home in their lifetime.

He is a hero but OP is one of those *******s that ignores every other fact/detail and tries to demonize someone based on his own narrow view (which, ironically, he can do thanks to the free time he has because of Owens' reform.)

It's all relative I guess. I could see some benefits of going back pre-industrial revolution.

- People more healthy because not stuck inside all day
- more emphasis on trades
- meaning more people making a living off of their own creative work. Meaning culture would flourish (more emphasis on art, pottery, etc...)
- Food supply not so spread out. Everything is local

At the end of the day when I think about the Pre Industry days it doesn't seem so bad.

There's a lot more opportunity for creative people in this day and age than back then.
It would also mean if you got sick you'd be fked. Brb no such thing as universal or insurance.

[TX23]

The system works.

[loteq]

OP is what's wrong with society. You don't like the 8-hour work day? Then don't do it. Start a business or figure out some way to make a living. That's the great thing about living in a country like the USA/UK for instance. OP is just another retard who looks outside his means and abilities to change his circumstances.

strong this. once i found my passion in life I disregarded pretty much everything else to acquire the free time needed to train. I could live in the shttiest of run down shacks in my area and be completely ok with it as long as I could continue to pursue my dream.

People have their priorities all messed up.

brb have a dream
brb dont chase it because youre obsessed with fitting into this poisonous culture that says you must devote your life to a job to acquire things you dont want and be a beta provider to your wife
brb laying on your deathbed wondering why you decided to pursue such trivial sht instead of following your dream

its crazy. it really is that simple, but people will not break the cycle. they've been brainwashed. we're all going to die, and your life will be for nothing. thats just the way the world works. might as well spend the time you do have on earth doing what you really want to do because in the end, nothing really matters at all.

[wgoodman]

Live in an earthship. Self sustainable housing which has every thing you need. No gas bills, no electric bills, no water, heat bills - grow your own veggies inside your own home.




Incredible really.

[pumpgun51]

its crazy. it really is that simple, but people will not break the cycle. they've been brainwashed. we're all going to die, and your life will be for nothing. thats just the way the world works. might as well spend the time you do have on earth doing what you really want to do because in the end, nothing really matters at all.

but bro i don't get repped by high level miscers doing that

[CitizenVagrant]

if one day the grocery stores didn't have food anymore, what would people do?

An immense number of people would die. Probably more than all recorded plagues combined. A lot like disease, famine would not be the direct cause of a good percentage of the deaths. A large percentage of the deaths would result from the failure cascade / breakdown of order.

If all grocery stores went empty right now with no promise they would be refilled, the nationwide rioting and crime would probably claim more people than starvation would in the first two weeks.

Same way a pandemic works. When the infrastructure to control disease and maintain order begins to break down, it raises the death toll exponentially.

and when are we given an option really? almost everything is taxed, all land is gonna be owned by someone. We are born into the system and cant escape it.

Just because you're born into the Matrix doesn't mean you can't escape.

The difference here is that there's not a friendly ship of like-minded people who are going to come unplug you because you show promise. You get to unplug yourself, and that involves a whole different level of dedication and commitment to the idea.

And no, life would not be remotely the same. The "quality" of life would not be the same. Not that it wouldn't be as high, but that you'd need to measure it in an altogether different fashion. Someone willing to abandon civilization would need to already see flaws deep enough in civilization to be willing to walk away from all the benefits it provides in order to escape the perceived flaws.

Weigh the pros and the cons, make a choice. There's always a choice, given that you're willing to accept the consequences. But don't look at the steep consequences of leaving civilization and then declare that there ISN'T a choice.

It's there. You just don't want to (or aren't able to) accept the price of choosing it.

Easy food, shelter, air conditioning, clothing, entertainment, money - all these wonderful little systems that have been devised through thousands of years of humans living in collectives. All of them largely devised (originally) to afford the human creature a longer, easier life.

If you haven't read Brave New World, you should:

"In fact', said Mustapha Mond, 'you're claiming the right to be unhappy.'
'All right then,' said the Savage defiantly, 'I'm claiming the right to be unhappy.'

'Not to mention the right to grow old and ugly and impotent; the right to have syphilis and cancer; the right to have too little to eat; the right to be lousy; the right to live in constant apprehension of what may happen to-morrow; the right to catch typhoid; the right to be tortured by unspeakable pains of every kind.' There was a long silence.

'I claim them all,' said the Savage at last.

Mustapha Mond shrugged his shoulders. 'You're welcome,' he said."

[sloppyjoe1]

I agree with you on how our work system is messed up but the people are just as much to blame as the system. We exercise our free will in ways where we drown ourselves in debt. If you learn to live a modest lifestyle and never buy anything you can't afford you don't have to work 40+ hours a week. It's the same concept as fast food. It's there but you don't have to eat it. The slave labor is there but you don't have to work it. People on this planet love scapegoating more than anything and want to blame everything else for their miserable lives but themselves. We have the free will to work as much as we want, to have as many kids as we want, to make the purchases we want. A little financial discipline goes a long way. The root of the problem is that people are unhappy so they seek expensive things that only make them empty in the end. True happiness comes from good relationships with friends/families, having enjoyable/rewarding hobbies, and a good attitude throughout life.

[LLama1384]

F$$$ regular life, F$$$ a 9 to 5 job.
I'm told to enjoy every moment, every hour, every minute.
That's what I do on Fridays and Saturdays. Why should I take life so seriously?
I just wanna do what I like to do. Being far from reality, cause I can't stand society.
This is my own world, I just wanna hear the music.

I think the whole system F$$$ing sucks.
Everybody is working their F$$$ing ass off during the week,
getting totally ****ing stressed out
So what's wrong, and what's right?
I live for the weekend, I live for hard styles, I live for hardstyle baby!

[st3wped]

OP while I agree that you have valid points, and the 9-5 lifestyle isn't for everybody - I'd say the problem isn't the way we work, it's the way we consume.

People have a habit of overextending themselves. Credit lets us live beyond our means but it keeps most people in that "slave" state. Cars, mortgage, credit cards etc. All these things we usually buy without thinking of how much we're overextending our means.

So believe me when I say it's not the 9 - 5 that's ruining people, it's debt. The difference between free vs not free has more to do with what you owe the bank than what you're putting in the bank. People in massive amounts of debt are under constant pressure and have no choice but to keep doing what they're doing. That's because I'd say 9/10 people are clinically retarded when it comes to finances and money management and piss money away like no tomorrow. Then wind up in debt and start feeling like slaves because they have to work just to break even.

tl:dr: don't bury yourself in debt and you'll live a much happier life.

that doesnt change the fact that most people will still be required to work 9-5 in order to keep their job. Regardless of the amount of money that is spent, chances are you will be working the same amount of time either way. what you do with the money makes no difference. you may work a few years less if you save your money wisely but you will still be on the daily grind for way too long. Working 8 hours a day 5 days a week even if its just for a couple years is still detrimental to your mental and physical health if you dont get enough excersize during the week to balance it out

[raktahn]

Working 745 - 445 - dam financial markets man, getting me out my bed early! JK I love it and tbh after working lates/nightshift/weekends/ot etc. I would not change it.

I understand your point OP, however there are some people that live pay cheque to pay cheque (or month to month) when there is no need to. I am not saying go mad and don't spend a penny, but more people need to learn to save, control their spending. I have seen it in every job I have even my current, people live like a misc ceo 10k/day for a day or a weekend and are then skint and scrimping the rest of the month.

[BetaAsPhuck]

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