HD Phil versus Kai Comparisons [bodybuilders.gr]

[Big Slim DaDDy]

If you're referring to Phil's Hands Clasped MM, yes.

Every variation, every single time.

[DPNZ]

Every variation, every single time.

Yep.

Kai has nothing on Phil in this shot.

He owns it.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

Yep.

Kai has nothing on Phil in this shot.

He owns it.

With this simple math equation I deduce

Phil's best pose+Kai's worst pose=Go home Rorowalker you're drunk.

[RoroCwalker]

Every variation, every single time.

I widthn't be so sure.

[letsthrive]

I widthn't be so sure.

Biceps, Triceps, Forearms, Delts, Traps, Upper chest, Conditioning, Waist width > Clavicle Width

[Big Slim DaDDy]

I widthn't be so sure.

I remember my first beer. But you shouldn't drink excessive amounts of alcohol right before you watch Mr.Olympia. It will make you see and say weird things.

[RoroCwalker]

Biceps, Triceps, Forearms, Delts, Traps, Upper chest, Conditioning, Waist width > Clavicle Width

Kai is not a hanging skeleton structure, and I wasn't making an actual argument (despite it being the truth).

[Unbiasedfan]

Biceps

nope

[letsthrive]

Kai is not a hanging skeleton structure, and I wasn't making an actual argument (despite it being the truth).

Not even close to reality.

nope

Yes. Only pose short attachments are advantageous in is the BDB, otherwise they are a detriment.

[RoroCwalker]

Not even close to reality.

That Kai is wider than Phil?

Yes. Only pose short attachments are advantageous in is the BDB, otherwise they are a detriment.

We have a different perspective.

Arnold and Coleman are an example as to why it isn't necessarily a detriment.

[letsthrive]

Arnold and Coleman are an example as to why it isn't necessarily a detriment.

Coleman and Arnold's were longer than Kai's currently are.
Especially for the pose we are discussing long attachments are unequivocally better.





Yes different wrist positioning, arm positioning etc. etc. Point still stands.

[Unbiasedfan]

Yes. Only pose short attachments are advantageous in is the BDB, otherwise they are a detriment.

Nope



^Also, imagine if kai actually contracted his arms lol

[Unbiasedfan]

The biceps on the left are better then the ones on the right?

[letsthrive]

Nope

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^Also, imagine if kai actually contracted his arms lol

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The biceps on the left are better then the ones on the right?

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Yes, to me(key words here) long attachments will always be preferable (besides the BDB). I do not like the 'gap' in the physique, similar to high lat insertions. It leaves space where there is no muscle, which I(another key word here) find unappealing.

[hzx]

You're missing the point.

Phil's side chest, is a side chest, yes, they're hitting the same pose, that's obvious.

The way Phil hits his side chest is not the standard way of hitting it.



If you're referring to Phil's Hands Clasped MM, yes.

No. You're missing the point. there is no "standard" way to hit a pose

[AnarkyLost]

No. You're missing the point. there is no "standard" way to hit a pose

There must be since when they tell them what pose to hit most muscular is the only pose they say HIT YOUR FAVORITE MOST MUSCULAR.

[hzx]

There must be since when they tell them what pose to hit most muscular is the only pose they say HIT YOUR FAVORITE MOST MUSCULAR.

No, there is different type of most muscular - crab MM, hands clasped MM, hands on hips MM etc. they are different poses. but there is no standard as to how they are done. Each competitor can hit a pose however which way they want, just because you don't like the way competitor does it doesn't make it the wrong way or a different variation of a pose

[Big Slim DaDDy]

There must be since when they tell them what pose to hit most muscular is the only pose they say HIT YOUR FAVORITE MOST MUSCULAR.

They always hit 3 different variations.

[Groggery]

It only took a few months to go full circle and we're back to the brat rambling about the same issues as before.

With the same people. Under the pretense that he's simply putting his opinion out there and "debating".

The same "debate" that has never ended well for him in the history of this section.

Then stealth the second retard will pop up to drop an intentionally opposite opinion just to get him riled up again.

And that's how most of the pages of the majority of the threads are made, the stupidity machine in motion.

[hzx]

It only took a few months to go full circle and we're back to the brat rambling about the same issues as before.

With the same people. Under the pretense that he's simply putting his opinion out there and "debating".

The same "debate" that has never ended well for him in the history of this section.

Then stealth the second retard will pop up to drop an intentionally opposite opinion just to get him riled up again.

And that's how most of the pages of the majority of the threads are made, the stupidity machine in motion.

If only ramy could nail his conditioning he'd be a real threat

[Unbiasedfan]

Yes, to me(key words here) long attachments will always be preferable (besides the BDB). I do not like the 'gap' in the physique, similar to high lat insertions. It leaves space where there is no muscle, which I(another key word here) find unappealing.

Put Phils forearms in kai and the gap would disappear in that pic. Maybe then you could see how kai's bi's are better.

[SammyJr]

If only ramy could nail his conditioning he'd be a real threat

Not trying to he controversial but I agree with this sentiment

[Larfleeze]

Every variation, every single time.

Yep.

Kai has nothing on Phil in this shot.

He owns it.

lol



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Other variations I'd agree but Kai's behind hips is insane and Phil's crab is..well..

[letsthrive]

Put Phils forearms in kai and the gap would disappear in that pic. Maybe then you could see how kai's bi's are better.

I judge on reality, not some other dimension where Kai's genetics have changed.

[RoroCwalker]

No. You're missing the point. there is no "standard" way to hit a pose

No, there is different type of most muscular - crab MM, hands clasped MM, hands on hips MM etc. they are different poses. but there is no standard as to how they are done. Each competitor can hit a pose however which way they want, just because you don't like the way competitor does it doesn't make it the wrong way or a different variation of a pose

As I thought, you don't know what a standard is.

stand·ard
ˈstandərd/;

used or accepted as normal or average.

"the standard rate of income tax"

synonyms: normal, usual, typical, stock, common, ordinary, customary, conventional, wonted, established, well established, settled, set, fixed, traditional, prevailing
"the standard way of doing it"

[Unbiasedfan]

I judge on reality, not some other dimension where Kai's genetics have changed.

A forearm has nothing to do nor does it interfere on who has the best biceps. Therefore me using phil's forearm on kai will not interfere on who has the best biceps. I only mentioned it to help you see...i don't need it, pretty clear without it.

[Iceman1981]

lol

Doesn't matter how Kai hits his MM. Any of Phil's variation of the MM clearly bets Kai.

Same show and same lighting.

[endurancell]

Doesn't matter how Kai hits his MM. Any of Phil's variation of the MM clearly bets Kai.

Same show and same lighting.

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It comes down to preference really. the MM is regarded as Phil's best pose and apparently has been argued as the GOAT MM and "owns" everyone else's, however I see Kai clearly holding his own and they both look beastly there. Some people may prefer Phil's look to Kai's and vice versa. personally I think his overpowering kangaroo arms and mammary-esque chest ruin the pose and severely throw off his flow.

[Unbiasedfan]

The roundness of phils delts is mindblowing. Looked dam good in 2013

[RoroCwalker]

Doesn't matter how Kai hits his MM. Any of Phil's variation of the MM clearly bets Kai.

Phil shouldn't be hitting any other MM than the Hands Clasped, it's at his full advantage and none of Kai's MMs can rival it.