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    Originally Posted by 21infantry View Post
    Why you guys pissed? Seriously, people in the West just don't give a shyte anymore. They just don't like Islam, no matter what you say or do, its pointless. Everytime something is done in the name of Islam, your pleas fall on deaf ears. The Gig is up, you had the chance to change the perception, but everything you guys did was a PR phuck up. For every non Muslim Westerner who will paint you with fair strokes there are five who will hang you, without trial.

    Never seen a certain demographic just ignore the storm clouds that have been forming the last 10 years, the damage is done, now you have Idiots in Western Nations performing Islamic patrols. Best thing to do would back the Phuck off and not make a peep for a good 5 years. But somebody is going to screw up and Ignite the powder keg and the backlash will be devastating.
    Coolstory.

    Umad more people convert to Islam in America and the world than any other religion?

    I think you mad.
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    Originally Posted by RedHorizons View Post
    Coolstory.

    Umad more people convert to Islam in America and the world than any other religion?

    I think you mad.
    I thought the Nation of Islam isn't really "Islam"???

    Also, when you enforce a law that punishes apostasy with death... Chances are you aren't going to have too much renunciation...

    Instead you will have a lot of bacon eating and beer drinking "Muslims" in the West.

    Christianity is the largest religion in the world for a reason.

    I think you jealous.
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    Originally Posted by indosthetic View Post
    ^^To be fair American Muslims have repeatedly condemned terrorists and their actions, so much so that it became a broken record after a-while. They are under no obligation to do it 24/7 since they see themselves an entirely separate demographic from terrorist Muslims and probably hate them more than you do.

    If you have every hung out w American Muslims consistently, as I have, you will realize this.
    I agree with this post. American Muslims are largely good, hard working citizens. The issue of Muslims in the West isn't an American thing but rather a European problem....see Belgium, Sweden, Norway, France, England. In places where there is a sizable extremist contingency then it becomes the responsibility of the peaceful Muslims to rebuke their radical co-religionists, especially when there are public demonstrations. Until that day occurs, the hate will grow and multiply and be completely polarized as "us vs them" if no moderates stand up and make themselves present.
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    Originally Posted by indosthetic View Post
    Reza Aslan is a pretty smart guy, and very well-spoken.

    However you have to be a special kind of idiot to claim that Islam doesnt promote violence in many circumstances and then compare it to Buddhism.

    Its easy as chit to open up the Quran and find one violent verse after another, and its easy as chit to read Hadiths and the history of the Mohhamed and see one violent act committed after another.

    Short of Abraham, Mohhamed was the most violent founder of a major world religion.

    Practically EVERY OTHER FOUNDER OF A MAJOR WORLD RELIGION WAS PEACEFUL.

    THE POINT OF RELIGION IS TO PROMOTE PEACE.

    How can a religion founded by a guy who chopped peoples heads off for a living promote peace?

    And Muslims still fail to see how their religion can be so easily interpreted to justify violence when its staring them in the face.
    Reza is a good author but a horrible historian. His entire book operates from a failed 1960s, liberal German thesis which claims that Jesus was a militant revolutionary that called for violent resistance......lmao. Some one didn't read the Gospels carefully enough.....
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    Originally Posted by ONtop888 View Post
    Reza is a good author but a horrible historian. His entire book operates from a failed 1960s, liberal German thesis which claims that Jesus was a militant revolutionary that called for violent resistance......lmao. Some one didn't read the Gospels carefully enough.....
    bro he said he came to bring a sword not peace. Obviously he's talking about nationalistic military revolution against Rome.
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    It's probably better not to overly concern yourself with the level of sophistication that a comedian has in terms of politics and religion.

    They're professional jimmie rustlers!

    It's a problem when people watch comedy and mistake it for serious business. Maher is not a journalist or political analyst. His show may feature subject matter experts like politicians, professors, authors, scientists...But people forget and I don't know why: He's a comedian.
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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    bro he said he came to bring a sword not peace. Obviously he's talking about nationalistic military revolution against Rome.
    Lmao, precisely!! It's all so clear now! Sadly, doe, that's Reza's actual argument.
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    Originally Posted by ONtop888 View Post
    Lmao, precisely!! It's all so clear now! Sadly, doe, that's Reza's actual argument.
    A lot of his arguments are intelligence-insulting. He is All but a self proclaimed heretical mooselim. Can't take him serious
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    Originally Posted by ONtop888 View Post
    Lmao, precisely!! It's all so clear now! Sadly, doe, that's Reza's actual argument.
    I know lol. I listened to his book on audio and was just like at my iphone listening to him.
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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    I know lol. I listened to his book on audio and was just like at my iphone listening to him.
    Yeah, it was really terrible and disappointing. Numerous scholars, especially German ones, have dismantled Reza's thesis, decades before his own academic studies, yet he fails to engage any of them.
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    Originally Posted by 21infantry View Post
    If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its probably a duck!

    Don't throw Bigotry into the equation, because no one really gives two shytes.

    Your Homeboys screwed it up for you, your silence on a large scale reinforced the stereotype.

    A large portion of Muslims not observing the Values and culture of the largely Christian Western Nations that they Immigrated too and trying to force there beliefs on the locals, has only aggravated the situation.

    If you haven't been a part of this, I truly feel sorry for you. But as we all know life is not fair, and you will have to take a bite of the Shyte sandwich that your brothers have made for you.
    Muslims should take this post to heart. It might not be fair or whatever but it is what it is. Every minority/ethnic group in the United States has had to overcome obstacles to be accepted and not demonized. The best way to do this is to learn the culture and work within the rules and accepted practices. When I read posts from a lot of Muslim on these forums it seems they have a completely different attitude and strategy for dealing with things and engaging in arguments. They however, do not work with Americans and it ends up making them look worse IMO. Muslims are not under any obligation to try and change attitudes concerning them but if they want to not be demonized so much then they will have to engage the majority on their terms and try and fit in a little bit without changing their identity.

    People are saying these things and agreeing with the poster above for a reason.

    Originally Posted by uwootm8 View Post
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    edit: Lol strong cutting him off all the time

    edit; rage... stupid hosts. They don't even let him speak
    Reza may have been making some good points but the way he bounced around and was dripping with arrogance and ridicule distracted greatly from his message. This might work with normal political discussions but when you are an intellectual like Reza is suppose to be you have to keep the childish insults and personal attacks out of it. People are going to have a difficult enough time understanding his points and breaking down his arguments to have to deal with the emotional name calling and you are so stupid attitude.

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    It's probably better not to overly concern yourself with the level of sophistication that a comedian has in terms of politics and religion.

    They're professional jimmie rustlers!

    It's a problem when people watch comedy and mistake it for serious business. Maher is not a journalist or political analyst. His show may feature subject matter experts like politicians, professors, authors, scientists...But people forget and I don't know why: He's a comedian.
    This. Nothing Bill Maher says should be taken seriously. He may make some good points in a funny way but most of it is a caricature of reality.
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    I prefer the blatant approach of somebody like Bill Maher, to the sophistry of somebody like Tariq Ramadan.
    Originally Posted by 21infantry View Post
    If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, its probably a duck!

    Don't throw Bigotry into the equation, because no one really gives two shytes.

    Your Homeboys screwed it up for you, your silence on a large scale reinforced the stereotype.

    A large portion of Muslims not observing the Values and culture of the largely Christian Western Nations that they Immigrated too and trying to force there beliefs on the locals, has only aggravated the situation.

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    bro he said he came to bring a sword not peace. Obviously he's talking about nationalistic military revolution against Rome.
    he endorses jihad !!!!
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    he endorses jihad !!!!
    This proves Islam is true Jesus was mooselim!
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    I cant pint point the US's distrust of islam dating back to RFK's assassination by a pali muslim angry at Israel (islam=genetically instilled hatred of israel)
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    This proves Islam is true Jesus was mooselim!
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    Originally Posted by YUL View Post
    I cant pint point the US's distrust of islam dating back to RFK's assassination by a pali muslim angry at Israel (islam=genetically instilled hatred of israel)
    I think it goes back much further than that.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

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    Originally Posted by Malaki100 View Post
    I think it goes back much further than that.

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War

    Muslims were hijacking boats before planes even existed.
    history not even once

    you realize pretty much every nation back then had privateers?
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    Originally Posted by AA43560 View Post
    history not even once

    you realize pretty much every nation back then had privateers?
    Where did I say otherwise? Don't get your panties in a bunch.
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    Originally Posted by Malaki100 View Post
    Where did I say otherwise? Don't get your panties in a bunch.
    You said

    "Muslims were hijacking boats before planes even existed."


    Even though EVERYONE was hijacking boats before planes existed.
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    Originally Posted by TranceNRG View Post
    Yes, and it should be noted this isn't a FOX News interview, where right-wing simpletons and morons try to "interview" others with different opinions than them.
    This is CNN. It's supposed to be more at the center. Supposed to be....
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    Originally Posted by uwootm8 View Post
    Heres the video



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