phosphatidic acid

[iamjeffrey]

Just took 3 and a half tablespoons. See you fuarkers on the other side.

Stay safe buddy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NewAgeMayan]

Preworkout.

Ok so thats the protocol as it currently stands.

A few things bothering me still, the main one being dosage quantity; Stouts "moar is better!!1!" is a bit airy-fairy, itd be good to have a more definitive range, especially if dosing with the sl granules.

However, with enough people supping with the stuff and reporting experiences I guess a narrow range will eventually emerge.

[kissdadookie]

Ok so thats the protocol as it currently stands.

A few things bothering me still, the main one being dosage quantity; Stouts "moar is better!!1!" is a bit airy-fairy, itd be good to have a more definitive range, especially if dosing with the sl granules.

However, with enough people supping with the stuff and reporting experiences I guess a narrow range will eventually emerge.

That wasn't Stout, it was Wilson, based on cell culture data.

I'm pretty sure he's also not assuming people are going crazy with the dosing and aiming for more than double the studies dose. LoL. The common sense was assumed, wrongly so since we are dealing with the interwebs. :P

[head2]

Just took 3 and a half tablespoons. See you fuarkers on the other side.

lol. is the plan to see how many tablespoons you can take before you end up on the toilet

[Quadzilla99]

Stuff came in the mail today finally. Ground it up into a fine powder with the coffee grinder:



Gonna add it to the protein shake I take to the gym with me and drink it postworkout per coop's posts about timing not mattering as much just for the sake of convenience. I mix my shake with whole milk so there will be fats in there to help with the absorption. Hope it don't taste too bad.

[kissdadookie]

Stuff came in the mail today finally. Ground it up into a fine powder with the coffee grinder:



Gonna add it to the protein shake I take to the gym with me and drink it postworkout per coop's posts about timing not mattering as much just for the sake of convenience. I mix my shake with whole milk so there will be fats in there to help with the absorption. Hope it don't taste too bad.

How about you take it at a time not around workout time to see what happens? Like first thing in the morning if you train in the afternoon or in the evening? Taking it post workout is most likely still going to work because most likely PLA2 is still available at the extracellular level (aka, it's not demonstrating that timing doesn't matter).

[NewAgeMayan]

Stuff came in the mail today finally. Ground it up into a fine powder with the coffee grinder:

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Gonna add it to the protein shake I take to the gym with me and drink it postworkout per coop's posts about timing not mattering as much just for the sake of convenience. I mix my shake with whole milk so there will be fats in there to help with the absorption. Hope it don't taste too bad.

Cool, it will be interesting to see how the non-prewo dosing plays out for you. How much you starting with?

[Quadzilla99]

How about you take it at a time not around workout time to see what happens? Like first thing in the morning if you train in the afternoon or in the evening? Taking it post workout is most likely still going to work because most likely PLA2 is still available at the extracellular level (aka, it's not demonstrating that timing doesn't matter).

The phuck are you talking about? My point isn't to prove anything I don't give a chit about proving anything. I don't know what imagionary motive you think I have. Jesus, you are a creepy phucking weirdo.

[kissdadookie]

Cool, it will be interesting to see how the non-prewo dosing plays out for you. How much you starting with?

That's practically the same as doing it preworkout. Post exercise the enzyme PLA2 is most likely still present to convert PA to LPA (thus it's working at the extracellular level). Possibly not as good of a result as preworkout dosing, but probably works the same via the same method.

[kissdadookie]

The phuck are you talking about? My point isn't to prove anything I don't give a chit about proving anything. I don't know what imagionary motive you think I have. Jesus, you are a creepy phucking weirdo.

Are you FUAKING kidding me? You are saying Coops suggestion of timing doesn't matter. You pointing that out implies that you are following his suggestion thus also in effect proving directly or indirectly that his opinions on the mechanism working here is correct.

Why even bring up the "timing doesn't matter" point if you are still going to dose it in a fashion where clearly the timing actually probably still plays a role?

Btw, what is up with this worship of a online personality? Perhaps you really like Versa-1 as well because Coop was certainly fond of tha product, even with his hypercritical comments here and there about people exhibiting placebo. I think at this point most would agree that Versa-1 was certainly a heck of s placebo pill.

[Quadzilla99]

Cool, it will be interesting to see how the non-prewo dosing plays out for you. How much you starting with?

I didn't really measure it but around two tablespoons I will go with exactly two tablespoons of powder next time I have been mixing cremtor (hica powder) in my with my 50 g whey and two cups whole milk postworkout shake. i also eat metrx cookie dough bar so I will be getting a ton protein of protein and also hopefully a chit ton of protein synthesis with the large amounts of leucine, hica, and PA.

[Quadzilla99]

Are you FUAKING kidding me? You are saying Coops suggestion of timing doesn't matter. You pointing that out implies that you are following his suggestion thus also in effect proving directly or indirectly that his opinions on the mechanism working here is correct.

Why even bring up the "timing doesn't matter" point if you are still going to dose it in a fashion where clearly the timing actually probably still plays a role?

Btw, what is up with this worship of a online personality? Perhaps you really like Versa-1 as well because Coop was certainly fond of tha product, even with his hypercritical comments here and there about people exhibiting placebo. I think at this point most would agree that Versa-1 was certainly a heck of s placebo pill.

I stopped paying attention to your posts so me following Coop's advice doesn't revolve around and your little world in anyway. All Coop is doing here is offering his honest advice and you're getting nasty, having nervous breakdowns and trying to drive people out of the thread. Seek help bro

[kissdadookie]

I stopped paying attention to your posts so me following Coop's advice doesn't revolve around and your little world in anyway. All Coop is doing here is offering his honest advice and you're getting nasty, having nervous breakdowns and trying to drive people out of the thread. Seek help bro

Getting nasty? Oh, you mean I should lay down and take it up the bunghole when someone pretends to pay complements and then tossed in some insults along with those "complements?"

Get real.

On top of that, you taking it post isn't really following Coops advice. I've been saying for a LONG while that either take it pre and possibly post as being the two dosing times this stuff would probably work, based on the available research data.

Also, what honest advice is Coop giving? Months ago he was claiming that the feedback on PA was negative. He claimed that on this board. There was barely any feedback outside of tnation, and tnation obviously was all positive. So honesty? Where? If baloney counts as honesty, I guess you can consider it that then.

[iamjeffrey]

Yeah, I don't get the aggression STILL aimed at coop. Still bringing up points you already made. Still hanging on it.

Why would you try to, as sexzilla99 says, try to drive someone out of this thread? The more minds that combine here, the better off we all are. Let the aggression and butthurt go. It's the internet. Don't let your ego be so fragile.

[Quadzilla99]

Coop said take it pre and also with meals that have fats in them. he didn't think timing mattered as much but he never said it didn't matter. He recommended it pre. I'm just taking it this way for convenience sake because my supp regimen is already enough of a pain in the ass. Go away

[kissdadookie]

Yeah, I don't get the aggression STILL aimed at coop. Still bringing up points you already made. Still hanging on it.

Why would you try to, as sexzilla99 says, try to drive someone out of this thread? The more minds that combine here, the better off we all are. Let the aggression and butthurt go. It's the internet. Don't let your ego be so fragile.

I like how I'm the only one that noticed the insults mixed in with the so called "complements" coop threw my way, WAY before I started throwing some back?

Also, why is it that he spoke so highly of Versa-1 yet at this point we all know that was a bunch of bull. Nobody rememebers this eh and just brushing it under a rug?

Get real.

[kissdadookie]

Coop said take it pre and also with meals that have fats in them. he didn't think timing mattered as much but he never said it didn't matter. He recommended it pre. I'm just taking it this way for convenience sake because my supp regimen is already enough of a pain in the ass. Go away

Then you missed the whole ordeal of him claiming that the researchers don't know what they are saying?

In other words, this is nothing but an example of someone clearly poo pooing something and then tossing in something to hedge their bets just in case they turn out to be wrong.

[iamjeffrey]

I like how I'm the only one that noticed the insults mixed in with the so called "complements" coop threw my way, WAY before I started throwing some back?

Also, why is it that he spoke so highly of Versa-1 yet at this point we all know that was a bunch of bull. Nobody rememebers this eh and just brushing it under a rug?

Get real.

We all noticed it, buddy. We can read. We just didn't get butthurt and hang up on it. You've said way worse chit to him, indirectly, than he did. At least, as he said, he addressed you directly.

One 'bad' product reccomendation doesn't NEARLY outweigh the fountain of information that is mrcooper. You should, on the other side of the coin, look at the other products he's been trying to push, for lack of a better word.

Amentoflavone.
Forskolin.
ArA + GMS + LCLT.

That's just in my short short time here.
I'd say he's doing pretty dang good on that front. Considering a vast majority of us are on the forskolin/amentoflavone train when it comes to recomp or strength gains respectively.


Crazy you can't get off your high horse, swallow your pride, and carry on as a civil, normal human being engaged in a conversation with other individuals. Last I checked, we're all adults here. All grown men. It'd be great to be less petty and childish, and continue with the solid info.

[Czk51]

Just about finished my run of ArA (xgels, then hemodraulix) and started ANS Dilate (Amentoflavone) and then last week I picked up a bag of soy lecithin which Ive been using pre workout around 1.5-2 tablespoons. Dont know the actual PA % in the product - was an impulse buy off a shelf.

Didnt notice much from ArA tbh.. but seen 3 really good lift days while being on the Dilate / SL combo which Im quite happy to put down to placebo in the early days. Will see how it goes.

[iamjeffrey]

Just about finished my run of ArA (xgels, then hemodraulix) and started ANS Dilate (Amentoflavone) and then last week I picked up a bag of soy lecithin which Ive been using pre workout around 1.5-2 tablespoons. Dont know the actual PA % in the product - was an impulse buy off a shelf.

Didnt notice much from ArA tbh.. but seen 3 really good lift days while being on the Dilate / SL combo which Im quite happy to put down to placebo in the early days. Will see how it goes.

Not seeing much from ArA is nuts. Did you dose it all PWO? How big of a dose? 1g-2g all taken PWO with GMS + a carnitine salt is recommended.


Also, dilate only has I believe its 10mg of amentoflavone. 20% extract at 50mg. So it's 10mg per scoop. You'd want to get a bit higher to note benefits from amentoflavone. I was doing either a scoop of katana, or two scoops dilate PWO with two caps amentomax PWO to get around 90mg PWO.

[aaronuconn]

Also, why is it that he spoke so highly of Versa-1 yet at this point we all know that was a bunch of bull. Nobody rememebers this eh and just brushing it under a rug?

Dude. Just let it go. This is completely tangent.

[kissdadookie]

We all noticed it, buddy. We can read. We just didn't get butthurt and hang up on it. You've said way worse chit to him, indirectly, than he did. At least, as he said, he addressed you directly.

One 'bad' product reccomendation doesn't NEARLY outweigh the fountain of information that is mrcooper. You should, on the other side of the coin, look at the other products he's been trying to push, for lack of a better word.

Amentoflavone.
Forskolin.
ArA + GMS + LCLT.

That's just in my short short time here.
I'd say he's doing pretty dang good on that front. Considering a vast majority of us are on the forskolin/amentoflavone train when it comes to recomp or strength gains respectively.


Crazy you can't get off your high horse, swallow your pride, and carry on as a civil, normal human being engaged in a conversation with other individuals. Last I checked, we're all adults here. All grown men. It'd be great to be less petty and childish, and continue with the solid info.

I posted the way I did for some humour as well. I in no way tried to hide anything like he said I was. The fact that he stated that I was talking behind his back? WTF? PUBLICALLY saying chit is the same as privately saying chit now? Serious?

Also, one bad product recommendation? You serious? You do realize that when I started posting my findings on PA and interest was starting to gain traction, HE LITERALLY LIED AND SAID THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ON PA. What negative feedback? Again, BARELY any outside of tnation, literally like 5 including myself on AM whom have used it and shared feedback. Last time I checked, 5 with at most 1/2 of that being "negative" does not constitute as being a lot of negative or mostly negative feedback. Crock. of. You know what comes next.

As for forskolin, dude, that ingredient is essentially resurrected from the dead pretty much. It has been known FOR A LONG TIME. Biotest actually started pushing it hard a long while back. Nothing new.

Amentoflavone? AppNut pretty much had that stuff out for a long while in UnCut. Took awhile to catch on.

Get real man. Also why don't you ask him how come he never replied back on Erase Pro on the phf board? Last post on there under the PES sponsored section was someone asking a very simple question, he never got back to answering that.

Also, do you NOT notice how he essentially poo poos most of the actual experts? You know, people with actual research under their belts? He likes to throw shots at Will Brink a lot, and for goodness sakes, I have not seen Will Brink try to sell bullchit. Now he's basically claiming that Stout and Wilson don't know what they are talking about. Heck, even more recently AFTER the HMB-FA/CM logs, he made a post saying HMB doesn't work. Oh really? Damn, I placebo'd myself into a chitload of gains then didn't I?

Should I point out how in in regards to the ATP study he was claiming that the researchers didn't know what they were talking about yet again? Even though Patrick Arnold actually has a post that was him suggesting that it possibly does work but not through a direct means.

For a person most of you put on a pedestal as the science master, he sure does appear to have the tendency to poo poo other actual researchers. You know, his professional colleagues.

Use your brains people, stop god damn getting sucked into these cults of personalities.

[bpshock]

I'm just saying, it seems like this Fearn stuff is just going to give me fuller muscles which is due to the water weight that stays with you, correct? So basically it will immediately make me retain about 2-3 pounds of water. Okay, won't that just go away when I stop taking Fearn? And, won't that just make me look a tad bit more bloated looking rather than increasing lean body mass?

[hamdysayed]

Dude. Just let it go. This is completely tangent.

i wonder I truly honestly wonder where kdd getting all this energy for arguing, it's exhausting and it requires a lot of energy.

[iamjeffrey]

I posted the way I did for some humour as well. I in no way tried to hide anything like he said I was. The fact that he stated that I was talking behind his back? WTF? PUBLICALLY saying chit is the same as privately saying chit now? Serious?

Also, one bad product recommendation? You serious? You do realize that when I started posting my findings on PA and interest was starting to gain traction, HE LITERALLY LIED AND SAID THAT THERE WAS A LOT OF NEGATIVE FEEDBACK ON PA. What negative feedback? Again, BARELY any outside of tnation, literally like 5 including myself on AM whom have used it and shared feedback. Last time I checked, 5 with at most 1/2 of that being "negative" does not constitute as being a lot of negative or mostly negative feedback. Crock. of. You know what comes next.

As for forskolin, dude, that ingredient is essentially resurrected from the dead pretty much. It has been known FOR A LONG TIME. Biotest actually started pushing it hard a long while back. Nothing new.

Amentoflavone? AppNut pretty much had that stuff out for a long while in UnCut. Took awhile to catch on.

Get real man. Also why don't you ask him how come he never replied back on Erase Pro on the phf board? Last post on there under the PES sponsored section was someone asking a very simple question, he never got back to answering that.

Also, do you NOT notice how he essentially poo poos most of the actual experts? You know, people with actual research under their belts? He likes to throw shots at Will Brink a lot, and for goodness sakes, I have not seen Will Brink try to sell bullchit. Now he's basically claiming that Stout and Wilson don't know what they are talking about. Heck, even more recently AFTER the HMB-FA/CM logs, he made a post saying HMB doesn't work. Oh really? Damn, I placebo'd myself into a chitload of gains then didn't I?

Should I point out how in in regards to the ATP study he was claiming that the researchers didn't know what they were talking about yet again? Even though Patrick Arnold actually has a post that was him suggesting that it possibly does work but not through a direct means.

For a person most of you put on a pedestal as the science master, he sure does appear to have the tendency to poo poo other actual researchers. You know, his professional colleagues.

Use your brains people, stop god damn getting sucked into these cults of personalities.

[El Conquistador]

Anyone check the Vegas odds on what the Over/Under was on PA posts by kdd today? Whatever it is, gimme the overs!

[Mr.Cooper69]

I'm told someone is mad ITT

Perhaps the supplement spotlight 2 weeks from now can be on PA

[DASBUNKER]

wake up sheeple!!!!!!!!!

[El Conquistador]

The rumor is he is currently naked and covered in a pile of research papers smearing peanut butter all over himself, right under his homemade altar of Stout/Wilson.

[DasBiceps]

Not even going to bother reading this whole thread, but i guess i missed out on PA?