phosphatidic acid

[KillerB84]

Yes, I understand you twat. Chicago is 51 years old, he's not going to be PRing every week or two regardless of the lift. Do you understand that, or should we visit all the "about me" links in your sig to boost your ego while standing in awe at your proud proclamation of your bench PR?

Resorting to name calling and insults is a declaration of defeat.

[Mr.Cooper69]

This is a perfect example of textbook, academia experience and real world experience.

Exactly, you don't have a rebuttal, just your unrealistic, single-dose-PR experiences confounded by placebo, low sample size, etc

[KillerB84]

Exactly, you don't have a rebuttal, just your unrealistic, single-dose-PR experiences confounded by placebo, low sample size, etc

Perhaps lifting something heavier than a textbook would prove beneficial in your case?

[Mr.Cooper69]

Resorting to name calling and insults is a declaration of defeat.

Did you read the rest of the post? Clearly I declared defeat when I said a 51 year old who's been training for many years shouldn't set a PR every week or two. But all you saw was "twat" and reflexively regurgitated some quote you heard from your middle school teacher. Your next post will surely mention how I should lift more weight or some other typical meathead copout

Anyway, here's my quote of the day:

You can't educate a brick.

Now go set some PRs tiger

Edit: And I was right, a brick is a brick. It may vary in color, wear and tear, and age, but it's still a brick.

[chicago1963]

Yes, I understand you twat. Chicago is 51 years old, he's not going to be PRing every week or two regardless of the lift. Do you understand that, or should we visit all the "about me" links in your sig to boost your ego while standing in awe at your proud proclamation of your bench PR?

This post has run its course coop, no mater what you say it will be wrong unless you are setting a pr everyday as Killer posted he was awhile back, not every two weeks but everyday or getting bigger in a couple of days of use to the point to were you are getting compliments on your size, lol
Time to move on you guys enjoy your fern

[ShoooterMcGavin]

this chit is legit, putting up more numbers on the incline last night

lets see if it helps with flat bench on monday, that will be the real test. my form is probably phucked up

[Mr.Cooper69]

This post has run its course coop, no mater what you say it will be wrong unless you are setting a pr everyday as Killer posted he was awhile back, not every two weeks but everyday or getting bigger in a couple of days of use to the point to were you are getting compliments on your size, lol
Time to move on you guys enjoy your fern

True, no further derail needed, thread will get closed. Just annoys me seeing a forum regular, who actually bought all his stuff and reported his experiences, get torn apart.

[KillerB84]

So disappointing, that this is the man that this forum looks up to. Attacking a forum member for posting his honest results after trying a new supplement.

[Mr.Cooper69]

So disappointing, that this is the man that this forum looks up to. Attacking a forum member for posting his honest results after trying a new supplement.

The irony here is so strong, it's not even funny. Start reading at the top of page 58 to now. I'm out, have your fun

[KillerB84]

True, no further derail needed, thread will get closed. Just annoys me seeing a forum regular, who actually bought all his stuff and reported his experiences, get torn apart. Let's leave killer to add another million pounds to his bench by next Tuesday

I honestly don't get your hate of my setting PRs? Do you think I'm making them up?

[KillerB84]

The irony here is so strong, it's not even funny. Start reading at the top of page 58 to now. I'm out, have your fun

I did not attack. I did not name call. I questioned Chicago's training protocol and diet if he saw no gains at all in 2 weeks. And age is not an excuse. I know plenty of guys his age training hard and setting PRs.

[Mr.Cooper69]

I honestly don't get your hate of my setting PRs? Do you think I'm making them up?

No, and I don't have a hate either. I believe you're PRing, but I don't think this is all soy lecithin at work or even close. If it were, it would be outranking illegal drugs for this purpose. And I believe you are setting unrealistic expectations for others, i.e. chicago. Age is definitely an excuse. You have more responsibilities, less energy, more injuries, and less time overall. If others can PR constantly that late in life, that's great, but I would never blame a 50 year old for failing to do so

[MrMakAttack]

Different people react differently to ingredients. What works for one person won't necessarily work for someone else. Half of the arguments on bb.com could be avoided if people would just remember that fact.

[KillerB84]

deflect much?

What am I deflecting? Are you looking for a detailed double blind placebo study with peer review? I am one person sharing my experiences. Cooper asks for science information because he knows it doesn't exist.

[KillerB84]

No, and I don't have a hate either. I believe you're PRing, but I don't think this is all soy lecithin at work or even close. If it were, it would be outranking illegal drugs for this purpose. And I believe you are setting unrealistic expectations for others, i.e. chicago. Age is definitely an excuse. You have more responsibilities, less energy, more injuries, and less time overall. If others can PR constantly that late in life, that's great, but I would never blame a 50 year old for failing to do so

lol no. I did not gains 20lbs of lean mass in a cycle.

My weight only went up about 3 to 5lbs. Where I'm noticing the edge is in strength and endurance. Lots of rep PRs.

[NewAgeMayan]

I ran OG King for two months and didn't feel any of the results many here have mentioned. This time around I have been using 2 tablespoons of Fern mixed with 2 caps of King for a total of 1.7 grams pre workout. I have been running this for the past to weeks and just like the first run I am not experiencing results like a few have mentioned especially in the first workout or couple of workouts, no pr's here let alone everyday.
The only thing I have really gotten from the PA is an upset stomach.

Man that sucks. Guessing you gonna run what you have out, though...always a chance things might turn around.

Have you tried amentomax before? Or ArA? Just curious as to how you find you respond to other 'anabolic' (natty) supps

[Mr.Cooper69]

And just to dispel a rather silly notion since I get this all the time, my 1RM at 190 lbs is 415/285/535 or 1235 total. It's by no means impressive and I don't go around posting it, but just because I study hard doesn't mean I don't lift

[Mr.Cooper69]

lol no. I did not gains 20lbs of lean mass in a cycle.

My weight only went up about 3 to 5lbs. Where I'm noticing the edge is in strength and endurance. Lots of rep PRs.

Fair enough. I still think a lot of it is you and not soy lecithin

[KillerB84]

And just to dispel a rather silly notion since I get this all the time, my 1RM at 190 lbs is 415/285/535 or 1235 total. It's by no means impressive and I don't go around posting it, but just because I study hard doesn't mean I don't lift

Those are good numbers. Congrats man. And nothing wrong with showing off.

[KillerB84]

Fair enough. I still think a lot of it is you and not soy lecithin

I also think a big factor might be the synergy between ArA and SL. I think SL is working better as an emulsifier than GMS ever did.

[TheFugitive]

True, no further derail needed, thread will get closed. Just annoys me seeing a forum regular, who actually bought all his stuff and reported his experiences, get torn apart.

Should we call you Robin Hood or just buy you a ribbon

[KillerB84]

Chicago, I stated this before. You train in your garage, I have no clue what type of equipment you use or your training regiment. You had bottles of King listed in the trade section when you said you were using it and you seem to be all over the place in terms of supplements

What gives?

This was lost in the sea of posts of me and Cooper. But I as well would like to see a sample of your training log. I recall you doing something similiar in the Clear Muscle thread a while back as well, you seem to make it a point to discredit all new supplements.

[Valhallabound86]

Have all 59 pages of this thread been as good as the last two? If so, I have some Saturday night reading material.

[KillerB84]

Have all 59 pages of this thread been as good as the last two? If so, I have some Saturday night reading material.

One word: KissDaDookie

[Big_Spaz]

I haven't set a "PR" in years, nor do I care about that anymore. Competitive Powerlifter for years, now I could give two rips. As long as I take something that helps me transform my body or keep improving for the better, gives me good workouts, a good pump, makes me feel good ... I'm sold.

Way too much is put into "how much you lift brah?" ... way too much.





-Spaz

[Valhallabound86]

One word: KissDaDookie

Aww****bye

[chicago1963]

This was lost in the sea of posts of me and Cooper. But I as well would like to see a sample of your training log. I recall you doing something similiar in the Clear Muscle thread a while back as well, you seem to make it a point to discredit all new supplements.

You got the wrong person, I have never tired clear muscle but yes I didn’t and don’t believe the claims of clear muscle and stated so but ONLY due to the fact of the claims MT was making I never said it didn’t work to some extent and it does for doms and that was pretty much confirmed with the logs.
With PA you posted PR’s every day from day 1!! You have since back tracked and said well maybe it also because of the synergy between ArA but you weren’t saying that at first it was all about the Fern remember?? Like I said I have been doing this a very long time and most of what you read and the claims are crap. Ok since were doing this and to dispel a notion at my ripe old age of 51. Tuesday chest day. incline 330 x12 340 x12 350 x10 360 x10 375 x8 flat 340 x10 350 x 10 360 x8 360x8 370 X8 decline my strongest lift. 350 x12 360 x12 370 x10 380 x8 390x5 I would be than happy to post my other lifts if you so well like Killer, in fact I live in NY and you live Delaware would be more than happy to get together and workout with you sometime 

[hamdysayed]

Damn coop can be aggressive sometimes lol, and Chicago u might be a non responder honestly so far for me my muscle felt fuller after 3 days of use.

[KillerB84]

I haven't set a "PR" in years, nor do I care about that anymore. Competitive Powerlifter for years, now I could give two rips. As long as I take something that helps me transform my body or keep improving for the better, gives me good workouts, a good pump, makes me feel good ... I'm sold.

Way too much is put into "how much you lift brah?" ... way too much.





-Spaz

The only type of training where how much you lift is not important is bodybuilding. Everything else, from powerlifting, strongman, olympic lifting, sport specific training and even Crossfit, gaining strength is one of the main goals.

[MrMakAttack]

You got the wrong person, I have never tired clear muscle but yes I didn’t and don’t believe the claims of clear muscle and stated so but ONLY due to the fact of the claims MT was making I never said it didn’t work to some extent and it does for doms and that was pretty much confirmed with the logs.
With PA you posted PR’s every day from day 1!! You have since back tracked and said well maybe it also because of the synergy between ArA but you weren’t saying that at first it was all about the Fern remember?? Like I said I have been doing this a very long time and most of what you read and the claims are crap. Ok since were doing this and to dispel a notion at my ripe old age of 51. Tuesday chest day. incline 330 x12 340 x12 350 x10 360 x10 375 x8 flat 340 x10 350 x 10 360 x8 360x8 370 X8 decline my strongest lift. 350 x12 360 x12 370 x10 380 x8 390x5 I would be than happy to post my other lifts if you so well like Killer, in fact I live in NY and you live Delaware would be more than happy to get together and workout with you sometime 

Wow, quite impressive for 51. You should post some videos and pictures for inspiration. Nohomo. I'm 39 and love to see older people putting up weight like that....gives me something to hopefully look forward to in my old age