Strict OHP vs Push Press for Bench Carryover?

[ODoyle99]

Thoughts on this? I've tried searching but couldn't find anything. Lately I've been having trouble right around the middle of the lift (which I think means tricep weakness) and wondering if strict OHP or push press would be more beneficial to help with bench.

Thanks in advance

[Anthony21]

Thoughts on this? I've tried searching but couldn't find anything. Lately I've been having trouble right around the middle of the lift (which I think means tricep weakness) and wondering if strict OHP or push press would be more beneficial to help with bench.

Thanks in advance

I prefer a push press over a strict press. With that said neither has had much carry over to my flat bench personally.

[ecchastang]

I prefer a push press over a strict press. With that said neither has had much carry over to my flat bench personally.

Agreed. Try CGBP of you are trying to strengthen your triceps in a movement with more bench carryover.

[308smk]

Can't find anything? The answer is the first response with a quick google search.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=140147213

Pendlay: The push press has more carryover to pressing in general – bench press etc. – than any other upper body exercise. Show me a guy who can push press a big weight and he's going to be able to excel at any other pressing movement, even if he's never done it before.

A big bench presser doesn't get that same carryover. I don't want to have 400-pound bench pressers who can't do anything else. The guy who can do heavy push presses doesn't have that problem. He's strong at everything.

And that can't be done with the strict military press either. It's too hard to get it moving. You have such a weak point at the start that it limits the amount of weight you can use.

With a push press, you can put 10 to 20% more weight over your head. You're forced to develop the ability to recruit those muscle fibers very quickly because you're pushing the bar off your shoulders with your legs and then your arms have to come into play, fast, so it doesn't stall. The ability to do that is very, very valuable.

Second, with the push press there's just a huge overload at the top. That last six inches at the top is like doing a partial. That has a powerful effect on the body

[Bballer99]

Floor Press

[InspecktaDeck]

Can't find anything? The answer is the first response with a quick google search.

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=140147213

Pendlay: The push press has more carryover to pressing in general – bench press etc. – than any other upper body exercise. Show me a guy who can push press a big weight and he's going to be able to excel at any other pressing movement, even if he's never done it before.

A big bench presser doesn't get that same carryover. I don't want to have 400-pound bench pressers who can't do anything else. The guy who can do heavy push presses doesn't have that problem. He's strong at everything.

And that can't be done with the strict military press either. It's too hard to get it moving. You have such a weak point at the start that it limits the amount of weight you can use.

With a push press, you can put 10 to 20% more weight over your head. You're forced to develop the ability to recruit those muscle fibers very quickly because you're pushing the bar off your shoulders with your legs and then your arms have to come into play, fast, so it doesn't stall. The ability to do that is very, very valuable.

Second, with the push press there's just a huge overload at the top. That last six inches at the top is like doing a partial. That has a powerful effect on the body

You see thats funny I trained with a couple of big push pressers and they cant bench for shyt. One guy was even a weightlifter. I think pendlay is just trying to over exaggerated a movement thats dear to him. Big ohp =/= big bench & visa versa

[Bballer99]

You see thats funny I trained with a couple of big push pressers and they cant bench for shyt. One guy was even a weightlifter. I think pendlay is just trying to over exaggerated a movement thats dear to him. Big ohp =/= big bench & visa versa

the push press/ohp should be a 3rd or 4th movement in your benching arsenal, following extended pause bench, triceps emphasis bench pressing, and even incline benching.

[tom11]

Thoughts on this? I've tried searching but couldn't find anything. Lately I've been having trouble right around the middle of the lift (which I think means tricep weakness) and wondering if strict OHP or push press would be more beneficial to help with bench.

Thanks in advance

I would say that if you have trouble in the middle then your problem could be not enough bar speed from the chest so it stalls in the middle... Strengthening your shoulders will help with that.

Also I am not sure if overhead press has any carryover to bench, I do it though just to be safe and not have any muscle imbalances. If you do it to help your bench, do the classic barbell shoulder press (I prefer it seated).

[xRequiem]

neither help you bench. i got to a point where from ohp was 30-40lb below my bench and my pushpress maybe 20lbs below my bench.

now I dont do either.

close grip and floor press or spoto press are probably the most beneficial

[NorthStrong]

My broscience theory is that strict is probably better for bench carryover, since it probably builds your shoulders better than push pressing. The reason that people benefit out of pressing seems to be that they have strong pecs and triceps and relatively weak shoulders, so bringing that up will bring up the bench if that's the case for you. If not, then bench press variations are going to be more useful.

I like close grips and 2-3ct pauses.

[308smk]

You see thats funny I trained with a couple of big push pressers and they cant bench for shyt. One guy was even a weightlifter. I think pendlay is just trying to over exaggerated a movement thats dear to him. Big ohp =/= big bench & visa versa

Brah, look at how hardcore this is though


I need to start training shoulders again >.<

[InspecktaDeck]

Brah, look at how hardcore this is though
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I need to start training shoulders again >.<

Of course it is. I train ohp twice a week. Doesnt do chit for my bench tho.

[Mike.Moore]

Thoughts on this? I've tried searching but couldn't find anything. Lately I've been having trouble right around the middle of the lift (which I think means tricep weakness) and wondering if strict OHP or push press would be more beneficial to help with bench.

Thanks in advance

I personally think strict OHP is more beneficial for helping your bench. However, that being said, it should NOT be your main assistance movement.

I think you would probably benefit more from doing some dumbbell floor presses, also close-grips. I also believe some heavy inclines also help alot. My bench was always better when I could do heavy inclines.

You should do OHPs just as an added movement, and also very important to keep your shoulders strong. Plus, doesn't hurt to have big ****ing shoulders.....