New Hemavol, prop blend?

[VaughnTrue]

[QUOTE=bearsfan91;1293134701]

Took a step back? Vaughn just said nothing has changed. How is the wording on the label affecting (negatively) what is going into your body? It's not, still the exact same great product you have always been using.


Well you as a rep should know that customers are sick of the "prop blend" I always steer my customers away from products that have a blend

Why would your company go from not having a blend, to a blend? If it's the "same product" as you say then the ingredients label should have been left the same.

Here in my store (vitamin shoppe) sales for hemavol have already dropped since making the switch about 2 months ago.

I completely understand what you're saying, and I'm not a huge fan of the change myself, however the thing to keep in mind is that the product is 100% the same as it's been since 2009 when it was released.

Appreciate your opinion on it and hope we can give everyone exactly what they'd like to see ASAP

[AMeyer9]

Just got my care package w/ Max Out and shaker, how much caffeine is in Max Out? 250?

[chicago1963]

[QUOTE=VaughnTrue;1293137471]

I completely understand what you're saying, and I'm not a huge fan of the change myself, however the thing to keep in mind is that the product is 100% the same as it's been since 2009 when it was released.

Appreciate your opinion on it and hope we can give everyone exactly what they'd like to see ASAP

I'm a big time Hemavol user and supporter I love the stuff. You say its the same but how do we know that?? The formula could have been changed or could be changed at anytime and we would never know because its not disclosed anymore. This sucks I hate prop blends.

[VaughnTrue]

[QUOTE=chicago1963;1293159781]

I'm a big time Hemavol user and supporter I love the stuff. You say its the same but how do we know that?? The formula could have been changed or could be changed at anytime and we would never know because its not disclosed anymore. This sucks I hate prop blends.

Just as easily as any company who has an open label and could not give you what is claimed.


The product is exactly the same and has never changed.

[DGarcia519]

Just got my care package w/ Max Out and shaker, how much caffeine is in Max Out? 250?

300.
I believe it says on the label. My tub is like one previously mentioned - On the ingredients list, they are listed as prop. blends, but there is a full breakdown on another part of the tub.

In regards to the change to Hemavol - why are matrix's/prop. blends better for marketing? (I think it was specifically matrix's that this was stated about?)

[AMeyer9]

300.
I believe it says on the label. My tub is like one previously mentioned - On the ingredients list, they are listed as prop. blends, but there is a full breakdown on another part of the tub.

In regards to the change to Hemavol - why are matrix's/prop. blends better for marketing? (I think it was specifically matrix's that this was stated about?)

I got the sample pack so it didn't specify, was hoping for 300

[DGarcia519]

I got the sample pack so it didn't specify, was hoping for 300

That makes sense. Your hopes and dreams have indeed come true - 300mg of the good stuff

[VaughnTrue]

300.
I believe it says on the label. My tub is like one previously mentioned - On the ingredients list, they are listed as prop. blends, but there is a full breakdown on another part of the tub.

In regards to the change to Hemavol - why are matrix's/prop. blends better for marketing? (I think it was specifically matrix's that this was stated about?)

With the avg consumer, words that end in "plex" "Bol" "zine" and other cool words seem to gather more attention.

For educated consumers, the opposite is true. This is why myself and the iForce reps are here to answer questions for more educated supp users instead of just throwing buzz words at you.

[VaughnTrue]

That makes sense. Your hopes and dreams have indeed come true - 300mg of the good stuff

Dat white caffeine.

[lucia316]

Marketing...always screwing stuff up.

[Chalifour]

nothing has changed. Our label attorneys made us change numerous labels that had a matrix listed, and also the active dose. We'd prefer it to be the way it was listed, but HQ decided we had to have the matrices named for marketing purposes.

You don't need prop blend to add fancy matrices names, just look at scream or pre jym

[VaughnTrue]

You don't need prop blend to add fancy matrices names, just look at scream or pre jym

As I've said, I much prefer it the other way. You guys are preaching to the choir here.


Despite this being less than optimal, the product is identical which at the end of the day is truly what matters...the effects of the best pump product on the market

[Big_Spaz]

Exactly!

If the man who formulates the products, works for the company, and has direct contact with the CEO and marketing staff is telling you that it's the same ... it's probably the same

And honestly not many consumers are as smart as us guys here, so really it's not going to affect all that much. And for the one's who are, the answer is nothing has changed so there is nothing to worry about. Use the best pump product on the market like you have always done and do it with no worries.





-Spaz

[jbeuhdoe]

If people were avid users before the label change (as claimed), wouldn't they notice a difference in the new labeled product, if indeed there was a change? I'm all about label transparency and non-prop blends, but try it out for yourselves to see if it is any less effective than before...

[VaughnTrue]

If people were avid users before the label change (as claimed), wouldn't they notice a difference in the new labeled product, if indeed there was a change? I'm all about label transparency and non-prop blends, but try it out for yourselves to see if it is any less effective than before...

People would absolutely feel a difference. Great point

[AMeyer9]

If people were avid users before the label change (as claimed), wouldn't they notice a difference in the new labeled product, if indeed there was a change? I'm all about label transparency and non-prop blends, but try it out for yourselves to see if it is any less effective than before...

In theory, but would you really notice any difference in a pump product if they cut stuff down here and there? (not accusing them of doing this)

[VaughnTrue]

In theory, but would you really notice any difference in a pump product if they cut stuff down here and there? (not accusing them of doing this)

The expensive ingredients in the product are the ones that do the bulk of the work. If we cut the agmatine/citrulline, I think it would be very apparent

[Terrimonas]

Attorneys advocating smoke screens and deceptive practices. Shocker.

[NewAgeMayan]

im expecting the product to be at least twice as effective with the new label and fancy matrix names

[VaughnTrue]

im expecting the product to be at least twice as effective with the new label and fancy matrix names

Same matrix names as always as well.

[JSClen]

it was the dedicated reps and the good buzz that brought me to iForce, the products made me stay, and if the fancy labels and fancy words help you reach more people then do what ya gotta do. won't change my purchasing habits.

[Vinny82]

As long as it still works good who cares. It's a staple in my stack.

[NewAgeMayan]

Same matrix names as always as well.

is compete going to get the same treatment?

[LoudyRowdy]

As long as it still works good who cares. It's a staple in my stack.

Thanks big guy

[VaughnTrue]

it was the dedicated reps and the good buzz that brought me to iForce, the products made me stay, and if the fancy labels and fancy words help you reach more people then do what ya gotta do. won't change my purchasing habits.

As long as it still works good who cares. It's a staple in my stack.

Many thanks for your support

is compete going to get the same treatment?

I will find out ASAP

[NewAgeMayan]

I will find out ASAP

its all good bro, im with vinny and jsclen...was merely curious

[LoudyRowdy]

If any of you hit our booth at the Olympia, say "I love IFN and Loudy Rowdy is f'ing awesome"

[The Solution]

nothing has changed. Our label attorneys made us change numerous labels that had a matrix listed, and also the active dose. We'd prefer it to be the way it was listed, but HQ decided we had to have the matrices named for marketing purposes.

[QUOTE=VaughnTrue;1293137471]

I completely understand what you're saying, and I'm not a huge fan of the change myself, however the thing to keep in mind is that the product is 100% the same as it's been since 2009 when it was released.

Appreciate your opinion on it and hope we can give everyone exactly what they'd like to see ASAP

I do not see how this is such a hard deal or process to understand to everyone complaining.
If you do not like looking at the prop blend, look at the old label and you get the same exact ingredients and dosages.

A Safety precaution for a company is better than having legal issues or problems in the future. Smart move on Iforce's part. While it may look different as a prop blend you still get 100% of what was on the old label on the new label.

If you supported and utilized Hemavol in the past, guess what you are getting the same thing, same great flavor, and same great pumps just a small change in the label with the same ingredients/dosages.

No harm, no foul. If you do not wish to support Iforce because of the change, then thats on you. nothing VT or the reps on here can control.

[Blacklac]

Lets be real, we all buy HemaVol for the flavor. Who cares what's inside...

[VaughnTrue]

Lets be real, we all buy HemaVol for the flavor. Who cares what's inside...

I wish we made iFlavor already ...one day ;(