Scotland Independence Predictions

[metroins]

How much would Scottish independence weaken the UK militarily, and how much effect would it have on NATO?

UK would have to move their Trident nukes out of Scotland, which would cost $5 billion and might make it cost prohibitive. Scotland would not be a part of NATO, or they'd have to spend (I think 2% of GDP) on Military, which they are not willing to do.

Scotland is militarily advantageous to the UK and NATO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK_Trident_programme

Operated by the Royal Navy and based at Clyde Naval Base on Scotland's west coast, at least one submarine is always on patrol to provide a continuous at-sea deterrent. Under the terms of the 2010 Strategic Defence and Security Review,[1] each will be armed with a maximum of eight missiles and 40 warheads, although their capacity is much larger.

"Trident" is based at HMNB Clyde, in western Scotland. This comprises two facilities, a submarine berth at Faslane near Helensburgh, and an ordnance depot at RNAD Coulport.

Faslane was chosen at the height of the Cold War because of its position on the deep and easily navigable Gare Loch and Firth of Clyde. This position provides for rapid and stealthy access through the North Channel to the patrolling areas in the North Atlantic, through the GIUK gap to the Norwegian Sea.

Coulport is used to store the warheads and provides loading and unloading facilities.

In addition, repair, refuelling and refit of the Vanguard class submarines is carried out at HMNB Devonport near Plymouth.

http://news.usni.org/2014/09/16/roya...and-leaves-u-k

The heart of the United Kingdom’s nuclear submarine enterprise could be cut out if Scotland leaves the U.K. in Thursday’s referendum on Scottish independence, British leaders have warned repeatedly over the last several months.

Scots voting “Yes” for independence say they’re happy to see the subs go.

At issue are the Royal Navy’s four Vanguard-class ballistic missile nuclear submarines (SSBN) and their payloads stationed at Her Majesty’s Naval Base Clyde, tucked into a narrow bay in Scotland’s Southwest.

For more than 40 years, the Royal Navy has used Scotland to homeport its nuclear deterrent fleet and nuclear attack submarines (SSNs).

[Stizzel]

You know, this kind of thing can be contagious. When American southern states began to break away, it was one after another; domino effect. When the soviets started to break up, the same thing occurred. It should be noted, not to take this kind of history lightly.

It's kind of interesting if you look at the political sphere here. UK or English want to break away from the much larger entity the EU, and Scotland is thinking about leaving the UK. Golden ratio anyone?

Now, you have the world ever so wanting Americans to be broken up. I am sure American nationalist separatists are really watching this with an iron eye, because it could be their moment to get caught up in these powerful political water rapids. I could see US power blocs wanting to create a buffer zone/states between Mexico and the US. Kind of like Ukraine was a buffer state for Russia.

It's not as if there isn't a precedent of declaring independence from the UK.

[tmartin89]

Being from Scotland, I hope not. Currency,military, NATO, the EU. That's enough for me.

[tk217]

Go Scotland Independence!

[metroins]

What's crazy is that with this and ISIL our stupid media is still talking about the NFL and domestic violence...

The Scottish vote is a big deal.

[tk217]

What's crazy is that with this and ISIL our stupid media is still talking about the NFL and domestic violence...

The Scottish vote is a big deal.

Yes. So is Australian negative gearing, Canada's piss poor banking situation, Russian Corruption, Greece's economic situation, Italy's economic situation, Spain's economic situation, and Venezuela's piss poor currency.

[LukeLissen]

Someone update me pleez - what time will the vote be known?

[PaulG]

What's crazy is that with this and ISIL our stupid media is still talking about the NFL and domestic violence...

The Scottish vote is a big deal.

Being this plebian... watching tabloid tier news.

Cmon now.

It's not as if there isn't a precedent of declaring independence from the UK.

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This is different, it's actually branching into true ethnic brits. Places like Texas, Venice, Cascadia, Catalonia, etc. are watching this event in hopes of a cascade effect. The commonwealth still exists btw.

[Sublime82]

UK would have to move their Trident nukes out of Scotland, which would cost $5 billion and might make it cost prohibitive. Scotland would not be a part of NATO, or they'd have to spend (I think 2% of GDP) on Military, which they are not willing to do.

Not necessarily... only 4 out of the 28 NATO countries actually spend 2% or more of their GDP on military.

[ZioBot]

Putting aside the many historical innacuracies of that film, I think the whole "freedom!" thing topped them all.

What the film made it sound like - "rally to me, brothers, and fight for freedom from the foreign oppressors who've kept us all from being equal!"

What reality was more like - "fight for me you lowly peasants, Scottish nobles have the right to exploit you scum, not English nobles!"

racists!

[ZioBot]

My expert analysis of twitterers I follow suggests a fairly decisive loss for the Yes campaign

[TheFassbender]

Polls say no.

[ZioBot]

reality check seems to be kicking in.

[Streetbull]

It's not as if there isn't a precedent of declaring independence from the UK.

LOL! Most of those sh!tholes would be better off if the British still ran them. In many countries, the British would bring railroads, roads, decent law courts, schools, telegraphs, and put an end to barbaric practices. (One ruler in Asia drank a potion made of 6000 human hearts, for ex. He and his family were 'removed' at once. LOL!)

[Ali619]

Scotland have oils in the North Sea so if they gain independence then it could be a major problem because it's relevant to the US interest and with the population of 4 million and no army.

The Scottish are proud and jolly, but the English are savvy and cunning.

[TheNewbie]

Definitely Maybe

[LadyGagaBrah]

YES! Scotland needs to be free!!

And Northern Ireland needs to be returned to Ireland as well, the way forward for all

[tmartin89]

Someone update me pleez - what time will the vote be known?

Should know in the early hours of tomorrow morning.

[Mulyark]

Which side is the establishment media on? I wonder...














Even the Scotland paper has a bit of trickery in the ad at the bottom:

[ausluke]

Well they could always just apply for EU membership after the hypothetical split, right?

Yes but member states have to vote unanimously yes for them to be accepted. Belgium and Spain would vote no to deter their own separatist movements

[Mulyark]

The EU wants to block Scotland getting in because Catalonia in Spain wants independence too. So does Wallonia in Belgium and a bunch of other regions. To put a lid on this, the EU is trying to make an example of Scotland.


Independence brahs marching in Spain:

[bbsitum]

Being from Scotland, I hope not. Currency,military, NATO, the EU. That's enough for me.

Somehow anyone think if Croats and Serbs didn’t go along why we would? You guys are wrong. You are similar. Same case in Spain, Belgium even Ukraine. It is sea of unspeakable crimes between Croats and Serbs and hence we didn’t go along. We are not good example for anything.

[BonsaiBrah]

Scotland have oils in the North Sea so if they gain independence then it could be a major problem because it's relevant to the US interest and with the population of 4 million and no army.

The Scottish are proud and jolly, but the English are savvy and cunning.

Scotland don't need army. I think that is one of the reasons people are so for Yes is the stupid wars that the English bring the Scots into. Ireland is free and happier a Independent Scotland would be happier free from being given pocket money by the English. We will see if the NO scare tactics work or not. I hope people vote Yes.

[LukeLissen]

Scotland don't need army. I think that is one of the reasons people are so for Yes is the stupid wars that the English bring the Scots into. Ireland is free and happier a Independent Scotland would be happier free from being given pocket money by the English. We will see if the NO scare tactics work or not. I hope people vote Yes.

In other words, the people you speak of want the benefits of living in a free and democratic world but dont want any of the costs that are required to mantain it.

[metroins]

In other words, the people you speak of want the benefits of living in a free and democratic world but dont want any of the costs that are required to mantain it.

Pretty much this.

[LukeLissen]

Prince Charles @Charles_HRH
Scotland just went from "married" to "it's complicated". Awkward. #ScotlandDecides




Its several hours old, but:

Scottish referendum, exit polls at 11.00: 53% for staying in UK, 47% for independence










MartynMcL @MartynMcL
Electoral Management Board of Scotland predict that the official #indyref result will be announced between 6.30am & 7.30am tomorrow

[between 1:30 and 2:30 am eastern US time]

[JUSA]

In other words, the people you speak of want the benefits of living in a free and democratic world but dont want any of the costs that are required to mantain it.

Like the rest of Europe, pretty much.

I voted, "No" (I think?), although in my heart I wish they would. I could see some positive benefits for both the UK and Scotland were that to happen.

The Scots love them some Socialism and vote for that overwhelmingly. With them not around, the UK might get some reasonable people elected who could make some necessary reforms. Meanwhile, Scotland would initially **** things to high hell and hit rock bottom very quickly with their big Socialism ideas (and without anyone to leech from to have it even come close to work). They'd bottom out and then maybe they'd smarten up and make some economic reforms of their own and prosper.

[outwith4walls]

Damned if it's Yes, Damned if it's no

Yes: Lots of promises, not all unrealistic, overly positive, little planning done to show what things could be like in the future

No: Nothing good will come of Yes, Campaign overly negative, Stay and we'll give you a lucky dip of powers IF the backbenchers agree

Me: Yes:
If the companies leave Scotland, an independent Scotland can lower tax rates to attract more therby creating more jobs and stimulating the fledgeling economy
Things are going to be slightly worse for a few years but will improve
We get complete control over our country - imagine that, people who have actually been to Scotland controlling it
Alex Salmond is done after a Yes vote, David Cameron is done after a Yes or No Vote
If its a close no maybe there will be complete reform of British politics
Oil is a small but not insignificant amount of revenue, dog groomers, match sellers, corner shops, plumbers, banks will pay in total far more than oil.

So aye, damned either way but at least with Yes we might just get out of it

[LukeLissen]

Live updates:
http://www.euronews.com/2014/09/17/l...-independence-

[Tekkendo]

Russia should be broken up with all the conquered land east of the Ural given back to the natives.