295/355 = (about 83%). Simple math. I don't see the problem.
Progression gauge is just that... a gauge to see if I'm improving. The 435 lb was used as a progression gauge, nothing more, nothing less. Improvement means the program is working. Wendler himself said that more reps = you got stronger. If the calculator is that offensive, then I also saw my progress in the sense that reps at the same weight or higher weights increased which verified the sentiment.
But yea, thanks, but I know how to do math. And I don't think there are going to be any more useful posts in this thread, so thanks for the useful posters with some nice articles
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09-16-2014, 04:19 PM #31
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Last edited by cirion0000; 09-16-2014 at 04:25 PM.
Gym best lifts
Squat - 370 lb x 1 rep Strict OHP - 150 lb x 4 rep
Bench Press - 270 lb x 1 rep Deadlift - 340 lb x 3 rep
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09-16-2014, 04:39 PM #32
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09-16-2014, 05:02 PM #33
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There really isn't any reason to train with insane volume or frequency if you are making progress without either of those. If you are after novelty, fine, do it, but it's not even close to optimal.
Ask yourself this: when you begin to plateau using an advanced methodology, what are you going to do? Add more volume? Add more frequency? You'll be training 12x per week by then. No way I'm ever doing that unless I'm knocking on the door of a world championship.
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09-16-2014, 07:03 PM #34
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I'm a bench heavy twice a week kind of guy too. There's no possible way I could keep up with more frequency. Usually two is pushing it once my squats get heavy. I tried Smolov Jr and had to quit after the first 2 weeks due to the monster elbow/wrist/shoulder pain. Besides the Jim Williams thing, I just can't really think of many big benchers (450+) that can bench that frequently. Especially in tested feds.
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09-16-2014, 07:27 PM #35
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Thanks for the post. You and ink, combined with my less than stellar bench performance lately even just benching heavy 2x a week and ohp heavy 1x a week, have definitely made my reconsider my thoughts of benching even more often.
I realize some of my earlier posts made me seem a little gung-ho about the whole thing (what can I say, I can get a bit excitable about stuff I am interested in), but I'm definitely seeing now that for naturals that benching 6x doesn't seem to make sense unless you eat 5000-6000 calories a day or something both from the guys here and from my own personal experimentation the last couple of weeks.Gym best lifts
Squat - 370 lb x 1 rep Strict OHP - 150 lb x 4 rep
Bench Press - 270 lb x 1 rep Deadlift - 340 lb x 3 rep
Training Log:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=166040681&p=1332331801#post1332331801
Clear Muscle Sponsored Log:
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09-17-2014, 09:32 AM #36
My bench improved some with daily maxes, but a more volume-centric approach worked better.
I've done two things that worked equally well. One was she sheiko CMS/MS bench specialist routine (Gime 1 and 2), and the other was something I wrote. The sheiko routine was super high volume, so it banged by elbows up pretty badly. This was sustainable, though.
Week 1
Day 1 – 75% 4×3 (four sets of 3 reps)
Day 2 – 80% 3×2
Day 3 – 70% 4×4
Day 4 – 85% 3×1
Day 5 – 65% 5×5
Week 2
Add one set to each day
Week 3
Add one rep to each set (using either week one’s number of sets or week two’s. I used a mix and it worked fine)
Max reps or max weight on Day 4 of week 3.
Week 4
Do some pressing other than bench. Have fun.
Week 5
Week one with a new training max (5-15 pounds heavier)
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09-17-2014, 10:19 AM #37
When I was younger, in my early teens I could bench every other day, once I got a couple years into it and started to use a little heavier weights I had to cut down to 2 days a week, and when I got older I couldnt do the volume when I was younger (10 sets of 10 reps of working sets), but I was pushing more weight and making good gains with doing it twice a week. If i bench more then twice a week, I don't recover and get injured.
you will have to find out how long your body takes to recover to really figure out how many times a week you can bench.
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09-17-2014, 10:56 AM #38
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09-17-2014, 01:20 PM #39
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Greg, thank you for the great reply. I am definitely going to record this for later reference. I actually wouldn't mind doing 65% 5x5 that much really if I were to go that route. If being on 5/3/1 has taught me anything, it's that you definitely don't need to be working right at your max to increase your max.
Good to hear from you in this thread. I might have to try the above approach just for fun sometime--it looks quite sustainable--not too heavy.
That said, the personality type that wants to train every day generally doesn't want to do workouts like 65% 5x5.Gym best lifts
Squat - 370 lb x 1 rep Strict OHP - 150 lb x 4 rep
Bench Press - 270 lb x 1 rep Deadlift - 340 lb x 3 rep
Training Log:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=166040681&p=1332331801#post1332331801
Clear Muscle Sponsored Log:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=165842991&p=1328126481#post1328126481
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09-17-2014, 02:52 PM #40
maybe I'm the most weak person ever, but after I eat my postworkout meal,I lay down and can't phucking move for 1-2hours or so. What I'm trying to say you don't need to train every freaking day, just put your best in one training per week and kill it! Forgot to say I train 4 days a week ( squat/bench/dl/auxiliary(bb))
F**k your excuses!
Anything in life worth doing is worth overdoing, moderation is for cowards.
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