Refused to give police officer my ID, now I have a court date (LAWYERS gtfih plz)

[VabaX]

then why did you even let him search your bag?

[Cha0tic]

inb4 op makes thread
ask a brah in jail anything

[GravityLee]

OP you might want to have mod delete this thread for you just my 2 cents

also the guy that threw out the code number for unlawful detainment I would save that and check on it

then you could go all good will hunting and **** on them

[WontStopLifting]

OP if you didn't tell him you were audio recording you broke wire tapping laws

Also if you really denied entry into the bag it's illegal search and seizure

[BadMonkeyFunker]

I have nothing against the police, I felt defensive in front of GF however, didn't like the way he was talking to us.

You're a retard. You lied to police, gave a fake name, told them you don't have ID -- You're a dumbass all over. Too bad he didn't beat your ass for being a retard. Please, I beg you! fight it in court. See how that turns out for you.

[Robeshko]

6 months jail and a fine.. u phuckn wot m8?
can't even scratch ur ass these days

[thsker]

He will most likely claim reasonable suspicion.

After he searched the name I gave him, nothing came up. At the point he patted me down, he found my phone which was recording the conversation, and shut it off.

After the audio was shut off he went through my bag.




I wanna get cheeky but I won't :P As I understand, it's your right to do that. You don't need to tell the truth if you are unlawfully detained.

I have the 20 minute reaction recorded. Most likely, the officer can prove it was a lawful, just, detainment. So I'll be guilty. I'm going to ask for an infraction rather than mark on my record.

My point is, other than the fact that you believed it was your right, what was your motivation?



Wouldn't it have been easier to give your real name? I just can't fathom a reason to lie other than because you had something to hide.

[JustALittleBit]

Bump.

From what I understand, police have no power beyond writing the paperwork. My fate will be decided by the judge. Worst I get is 6 months in jail and a fine, hopefully that wont happen. I'm going to ask for misdemeanor reduced to an infraction.

You're not going to get 6 months in jail lol

[CalmWind]

Bump.

From what I understand, police have no power beyond writing the paperwork. My fate will be decided by the judge. Worst I get is 6 months in jail and a fine, hopefully that wont happen. I'm going to ask for misdemeanor reduced to an infraction.

why did you consent to being searched?

[TeraBabyCakes]

You're not going to get 6 months in jail lol

I better not lol. First thing I did was call a defense attorney. We spoke about it, she said the same thing. Yeah I'm a little nervous brahs....but I'm gonna man up and face it.

You guys are asking why did I lie.

I have problems with authority ok is that what you want to hear. I'll kiss a mods ass for reps before I let a police officer push me around

why did you consent to being searched?

I didn't

[SpicyCurrie]

Edit: Just saw you didn't consent to him searching your bag. Pretty sure that's grounds for the case to be thrown out. He broke the law by not gaining a search warrant, reasonable grounds for search or permission to search.


I'm not an expert though.

[qurs]

OP just fyi I am actually a criminal defense attorney in California. Do not take any deal less than a dismissal or conditional plea in this case. I'll represent you for free if I have to. The law I cited already is all you need to know. At worst you'll get community service and three years informal probation.

[SUPER_MANLET]

good luck ******* , hope u pay a fine for 10k for being tard

[SKIN__N__BONES]

brah its a misdemeanor they arent going to give you chit for jail time. Fuking dumbass for giving a fake name though. Are only students allowed on campus? I see fuking homeless *******s roaming around mine all the time and no one tells them to fuk off

[BadMonkeyFunker]

I have problems with authority ok is that what you want to hear. I'll kiss a mods ass for reps before I let a police officer push me around

He didn't push you around. He asked for your ID and told you not to take pictures. You better wise up quick. Because if you ever get locked up, then you're FU K CED. You'll have to ask permission to take a piss. You don't like to take orders, prison is the LAST place you want to be in.

[heyyouwhome]

he went through your chit without a probable cause or "reasonable suspicion" to search you? and you didnt repeatedly yell out "I DO NOT CONSENT TO ANY SEARCHES" while recording this confrontation?

-dun goofed #1

do you know that in some states you are NOT obliged to carry ID on you at any time? it is not mandatory to constantly be carrying chit around you. You can step out your damn house with nothing on you if you want

-dun goofed #2

you acted like a douche and got written a stupid ticket that probably does not reflect the infraction. does that mean the ticket is any less serious or will kick your as$ any less in court than if it were legitimate? no. yuo're fuked w/o a lawyer

-dun goofed #3


Goodnight sweet noob


tempted to neg for being arrogant AND stupid.

If you are going to be an arrogant kunt, at least be an intelligent and informed one.

Otherwise you just come off so cringeworthy it makes me want to get banned and never misc again

u are sooooo fukkin mad right now bro ayyy lmao

[ehh]

I'm really not sure about this..


But don't they need your permission to search your bag? Unless you gave him grounds of reasonable doubt then he shouldn't have been able to search your bag. Idk though I may be wrong. There are cops on the forums that can give you a definite answer (memcop is the most prominent officer I can think of)

Once the officer seized him (detained), he conducted a terry frisk of his person which can also include any items within his reach or lunging area.

[MareeWanna]

- Police says ok, you're not students, not allowed to take pictures here. let me see your ID or drivers license
- I say I have no license on me
- Police asks me for last name
- I give police fake name
- Police pats me down, searches my bag, finds my license

lol u dun goofed

you remind me of this guy

[IPlayRugby]

Youre a fuking retard OP.

Give him your real name and hand him I.D. and he'll just give you a warning/tell you to leave and youll be on your way. No need to act like a fuking tard and give false information

[Dirtymoney5]

Not 100% sure what the go is in the US, but police generally need a reason to detain you. Did he say he was detaining you before or after you refused to give him your name/you gave a fake name?

Gives advice and isn't even in the same country...strong

[MusicProducer]

Read my sig and then my answer.

Do not fight this in court because you will lose. You weren't detained, even if you were detained it wasn't unlawful and you gave an officer a fake name. Plead guilty, act remorseful and move on.

Horrible advice.

How does a boy and girl simply taking pictures on a university campus escalate into cops searching through OP's gym bag and demanding OP and the girl to identify themselves? not sure if srs. terrible advice is terrible. Did you use to be a cop or something? bad bad bad suggestion...

[TeraBabyCakes]

He didn't push you around. He asked for your ID and told you not to take pictures. You better wise up quick. Because if you ever get locked up, then you're FU K CED. You'll have to ask permission to take a piss. You don't like to take orders, prison is the LAST place you want to be in.

I agree 100%. Thanks man. This could have been a lot worse. I hope I learn from this. The officer was somewhat cool after he found out I lied to him. He was surprised at 21 years old I have not received any tickets or infractions.

inb4 op makes thread
ask a brah in jail anything

Had good one. Could probably get lots of pity reps for that.

OP you might want to have mod delete this thread for you just my 2 cents

also the guy that threw out the code number for unlawful detainment I would save that and check on it

then you could go all good will hunting and **** on them

Awesome. Great clip man Thank you. Yes I have a yellow copy of the ticket. The 148 Code is on there "Falsified information to a police officer"

[GhostZ28]

Could've been avoided if you didn't act like a *******. Just show him your drivers license .. What's the big deal?

He wasn't driving, you don't need to provide a drivers license.

That was a Terry stop. You dun goofed when you gave a false name. The trespassing you might be able to get out of depending on local laws / signage.

Don't lie to an officer. You're far better off not saying a single word aside from your real name and DOB.

[CalmWind]

He broke the law searching your belongings then. If you didn't consent to being searched, then he broke the law.

[SpicyCurrie]

Once the officer seized him (detained), he conducted a terry frisk of his person which can also include any items within his reach or lunging area.

He didn't have reasonable grounds for detaining OP imo. Taking pictures of the area? It was OPs gf with the camera. OP was and is 100% innocent and had his rights broken by the officer wrongfully detaining and searching him.



All OP did at the time of the ticket being given was pose for a picture. As far as I'm aware you don't have to give an officer your real name (although it's stupid not to) if you haven't done anything wrong. Like if an officer asks I'm pretty sure you can reply with "go fukk yourself" and you haven't broken any laws (I think that's what my prof said.. I may be wrong lol)


Again, I may be wrong and I'm going off a bad memory of classes I didn't pay attention in lol

[Roody12]

He wasn't driving, you don't need to provide a drivers license.

That was a Terry stop. You dun goofed when you gave a false name. The trespassing you might be able to get out of depending on local laws / signage.

Don't lie to an officer. You're far better off not saying a single word aside from your real name and DOB.

I meant any kind of ID, just show him and move on with your life. Now because he wanted to be a dikhead, he's going to court. Could've been so easily avoided.

[TeraBabyCakes]

OP just fyi I am actually a criminal defense attorney in California. Do not take any deal less than a dismissal or conditional plea in this case. I'll represent you for free if I have to. The law I cited already is all you need to know. At worst you'll get community service and three years informal probation.

Wow thanks man, awesome. Really appreciate that. What the officers told me is I had 2 choices, which was to plead guilty, and ask for it to get "espunged" & removed off my record, or fight the case. I can't 100% remember..

I really appreciate your posts though. I'll look back for that law you cited

good luck ******* , hope u pay a fine for 10k for being tard

Haha. Limit is 1000 dollars as far as I know. I'll make a follow up thread, some of you will be happy if I get phucked over

Youre a fuking retard OP.

Give him your real name and hand him I.D. and he'll just give you a warning/tell you to leave and youll be on your way. No need to act like a fuking tard and give false information

Thanks. Yeah...wasn't smart.

[faxanadu]

Police can't search you if you don't consent. They can frisk you if they suspect a weapon but then... they have to give a reason. A car ... as far as i know is the only thing they can search freely under suspicion.

Your first mistake was actually engaging in conversation with the officer. If he asked if you were trespassing you should of just said, "No questions" or better just not responded unless he asked you a valid question.

Heck you didn't even have to give him your name.

[TeraBabyCakes]

He didn't have reasonable grounds for detaining OP imo. Taking pictures of the area? It was OPs gf with the camera. OP was and is 100% innocent and had his rights broken by the officer wrongfully detaining and searching him.



All OP did at the time of the ticket being given was pose for a picture. As far as I'm aware you don't have to give an officer your real name (although it's stupid not to) if you haven't done anything wrong. Like if an officer asks I'm pretty sure you can reply with "go fukk yourself" and you haven't broken any laws (I think that's what my prof said.. I may be wrong lol)


Again, I may be wrong and I'm going off a bad memory of classes I didn't pay attention in lol

Thanks, I will research it. Yeah I had seen officer telling kids earlier to get off their skateboard. Like I said he seemed to be having a bad day. He asked me and my GF to sit down, we just wanted to move on..it wasn't a good interaction from the start unfortunately

[GhostZ28]

He didn't have reasonable grounds for detaining OP imo. Taking pictures of the area? It was OPs gf with the camera. OP was and is 100% innocent and had his rights broken by the officer wrongfully detaining and searching him.

We don't know the totality of the circumstances. RAS isn't hard to achieve...especially if it's a closed campus, OP and gf were doing or acting in a way other than what was described, etc. I can't really say, I wasn't there. It could have been a consensual conversation that turned into a Terry stop based on what the officer witnessed.

Either way, it was a bad move giving false information. If you're stopped...asked if you're being detained, if the officer says yes, give the information that is legally required in your state and nothing more.