Heavy lifting (truth)(srs)(Get in here plz)

[Benny_Lava]

Photo on the left January 2008 six months before my heart attack. Photo on the right couple weeks ago. Lifting weights for 5 years.



Still hitting PR's. Last October. Notice no equipment of any kind in this video.



Lifting heavy weights is the fountain of youth. GO SMASH THAT WEIGHT! I will have a 700lb squat before I hang up my hat.

Y'all got me super pumped for my workout tomorrow. Thank you.

you're awesome. pissening strength. gjdm turning your life around. mirin' dedication, etc.

but i do have to say this proves nothing. but it certainly is a better alternative than doing nothing, treating your body like chit and having heart attacks.




btw what made you get into powerlifting following a heart attack. as opposed to just like.. cardio/endurance kinda stuff?

[hammerfelt]

btw what made you get into powerlifting following a heart attack. as opposed to just like.. cardio/endurance kinda stuff?

I walked and dieted for a year. Felt like I needed to do more. Started lifting weights with a co-worker. Decided I wanted a more structured workout plan. Searched online and found StrongLifts. After about a year I noticed on the online StrongLifts forum(when it was free) that I was lifting more weight than most people ever had that posted on the forum. Did my first powerlifting competition December 2010 and immediately got hooked. I was very active in sports up through college, but then became sedentary for 20+ years. I have now found my sunset sport.

[omnip0tent]

Older guy (former powerlifter) at my gym was preaching today about not going over 225lbs.



-He basically told a group on my friends and I that we really should not go above 225lbs, for chest, squats, and DL.

Saying that it's not worth lifting heavy and fawking up you hips and knees and what ever else.Saying that.....

- if you're doing competitions or an athlete than it's understandable to lift more.
- But if you lifting for health or looks or because you like to lift then 225lbs should be you max


This got me thinking a bit. What do you guys think?

I came to this conclusion on my own about a year ago. I have a fawked up back from lifting bad, and a knee that isnt 100%. Nothing that hurts unless I do something to aggravate them, but enough that I want to take care of myself. And yea when I max I ussually only go to 225. Maybe try to hit 315 on bench one day but keep it to 3 reps max.

[Ayz33]

how about do whatever the **** you want

[nzgs]

Former lifter here.... Lifted for 3 years with good form, I now have TWO prolapsed discs in my back which cause me imense pain and numbness in my back and legs (one is crushing my spinal cord). I also had a knee cartilage tear after 2 year of lifting. I went from lifting only a max of 220 pounds (squats & DL) (didn't want to go to heavy)... to lifting 100 pounds max because I bascially destroyed my body. I no longer lift at all because almost evey single one of my joints is falling apart. I have pain in every part of my body and am now 100 pounds heavier than when I stopped lifting.

My advice... do not lift anything over your bodyweight SRS. I bascially have the body of an 80 year old man and regret ever lifting at all. 100% SRS

Nothing in this post indicates that you ever lifted with good form.

[Big Slim DaDDy]

Still ain't nothin but a peanut. Even without hips.-Ronnie Coleman.

[jross2021]

Saying that lifting thickens it,

No, that's creatine.

[Blitzy]

Sounds like a bunch of broscience. This guy most likely never took mobility and recovery work seriously at all.

[JUSA]

Older guy (former powerlifter) at my gym was preaching today about not going over 225lbs.

-He basically told a group on my friends and I that we really should not go above 225lbs, for chest, squats, and DL.

Saying that it's not worth lifting heavy and fawking up you hips and knees and what ever else.Saying that.....

- if you're doing competitions or an athlete than it's understandable to lift more.
- But if you lifting for health or looks or because you like to lift then 225lbs should be you max

This got me thinking a bit. What do you guys think?

I would limit it to 3 plates on the squat, since I've had back troubles, and about 4 plates on DL. Benching by itself is a pretty **** lift, probably best to get rid of it entirely and do dips and incline or something.

[likeawashboard]

Dumbest chit I've heard all day.

[weightsb4dates]

"heavy" is relative, your body can handle what it can handle, your muscles dont know what stimulating them, just that theyre being worked, this is the entire idea behing pre exhausting (which i fully support and practice), ie: do flys before benching the muscle is fatiqued, allowing you to use less weight than you would need fresh to achieve the same stimulation of the muscle, without compromising the joint health.

but your muscles still respond and grow, so you eventually need to either increase weight, shorten rest periods or increase reps, basically one way or another overload the muscle, and in turn it will eventually overload the joints as well.

if you lift to lift and not to grow or progress then stick to one weight and rep range for ever. if you lift to better yourself, you will not achieve what you are working for by not overloading the muscle through weight/intensity, or volume.

heres my .02 and im no physician so take this with agrain of salt, stretch after your warm up and there is blood around the joint
if something hurts dont do it
if its too heavy, accept that and move on

[EndoBrahHurr]

its called left ventricular hypertrophy. no your heart doesnt become jelly, what the fuk kind of chit is that. call him a fukin tard for me next time u see him

Doesn't 'left ventricular hypertrophy' also occur from taking EC? J/W...

[weightsb4dates]

No, that's creatine.

heavy deadlifting and squats will thicken the waste, imo. call it bro science, but i dropped deadlifts from my routine as a regular every week lift, and my waste narrowed noticably, plus it recruits a ton of abdominal muscles, and since they are a muscle they will grow when stimulated enough.

[MkADcision]

Strict form and technique is everything.
One second of inattention and/or lack of focus, regardless of weight being used, has the potential to cause injury.

play safe everyone

[Mikexherman]

Your max should be whatever you can do with perfect form and a full rom, without needing to be psyched up by sniffing ammonia or listening to death metal.

Death metal: the new PED.

[iMakeItRain100s]

Did you run the whole cycle or just meso cycle?
And when i did smolov it was squatting 4 times a week?

Ran the whole cycle. I generally didn't have a problem with the base cycle, the last 10x3 was a bitch tho. It's odd because throughout the base cycle, my knees were what bothered me but in the intense cycle as I learned how to bounce out of the very bottom of an Olympic Squat, my knees were fine and my hips ended up being shot instead

[midcoastking33]

don't max out often, and don't go to failure on purpose. learn rpe

[TheAmericano]

alot of good points have been made so far....

- When I first started lifting, I could barley put up 225 for my squat. But after pushing myself, I can now hit it with easy. 225 is a bit light for me right now so most likely won't cap it at 225.

- Like many of you have said, 225 won't work for everyone. But I do feel 225 could be good for the average.

- But i'll def keep OldGuyBrah advice in the back of my head.

Reading this thread while trying to break pr's in my home gym walking around massaging sore joints in between sets.

Bro science op. Bro science.


Have never been out of the gym for more than a week with injury but can definitely feel it catching up to me even at 29.

Edit: the number he threw out is pointless tho. 225 is peanuts for some. Literally cardio weight. And will always be heavy for others.

But his point is right. Unless you're competing what's the point in wearing your body out. And potentially worse, risking serious injuries that will stick with you for life.

100% agree

I'm also starting to think that trying to lift like a powerlifter without any plans of competing is not smart to do.

[bcop]

Every single healthy adult male, of normal height and weight, with at least average genetics, has the potential to hit the following 1rm numbers:

500lb deadlift
400lb squat
300lb bench press
200lb standing shoulder press

with consistent training.

As weights get heavier than that, the chance of injury goes up, and to some people it might not be worth the risk to life heavier than that. But these numbers, for the vast majority of men, are safe to aspire to, as long as you have a smart training plan, and have decent form.

[TheAmericano]

Every single healthy adult male, of normal height and weight, with at least average genetics, has the potential to hit the following 1rm numbers:

500lb deadlift
400lb squat
300lb bench press
200lb standing shoulder press

with consistent training.

As weights get heavier than that, the chance of injury goes up, and to some people it might not be worth the risk to life heavier than that. But these numbers, for the vast majority of men, are safe to aspire to, as long as you have a smart training plan, and have decent form.

ok, now I can agree with this. Seems better suited

[BreakToBuild]

Older guy (former powerlifter) at my gym was preaching today about not going over 225lbs.



-He basically told a group on my friends and I that we really should not go above 225lbs, for chest, squats, and DL.

Saying that it's not worth lifting heavy and fawking up you hips and knees and what ever else.Saying that.....

- if you're doing competitions or an athlete than it's understandable to lift more.
- But if you lifting for health or looks or because you like to lift then 225lbs should be you max


This got me thinking a bit. What do you guys think?

That's like people constantly telling us we are fuking up our backs. No *******s, my back is 100000000000% stronger than yours and you're the one constantly in pain from picking up a shoebox. I tweaked my back once in high school, learned correct technique, preventive maintenance etc, and no back pain ever to be found again.

You simply must learn mobility and recovery technique if you want to survive big boy weights in the long run.

[bcop]

ok, now I can agree with this. Seems better suited

Furthermore, I believe that most beginner bodybuilders would have a better body by focusing on these 4 lifts, until they get to that weight, and then cut.

Rather than do a bunch of different curls and leg raises with light weight, while eating "clean".

[InfinityThor]

225 for bench, sure.

225 for squats, I can accept that.

225 for deadlifts, no thanks Jeff. Even a very conservative lifter should be pulling 300+ for reps.

[TheAmericano]

That's like people constantly telling us we are fuking up our backs. No *******s, my back is 100000000000% stronger than yours and you're the one constantly in pain from picking up a shoebox. I tweaked my back once in high school, learned correct technique, preventive maintenance etc, and no back pain ever to be found again.

You simply must learn mobility and recovery technique if you want to survive big boy weights in the long run.

-mobility has come up a few times now, I will def start taking it more srs.

what exercisers are you doing that people tell you that you're going to fawk up your back

[Alyion]

I'll be honest here. I started training with the old school 5x5 style routines (SS/Madcow/then went onto 531). I got to a pretty respectable 180x3/100/230x1 (in kg, low bar squat) but ill be honest was never happy with the way I looked, still looked pretty skinnyfat and tbh grew stale with maxing out all the time. Don't get me wrong I though I made pretty good progress at the time.

Nowadays I very rarely go under 8 reps (tbh I like to stay over 10) and feel and look far better - fwiw I also have since low inclined 140kg on the bench and have back squatted 5 plates (high bar/belted) the last time I tried to max out. I personally think higher volume works for me and going under 5 reps only tests my strength (as opposed to building it) and massively increases my chance of injury.

Now I don't really agree with the 225 suggestion (although let's be serious - if you can front squat 225 for multiple sets of 10-15 with a short rest period I doubt your legs will be small - same goes for incline bench) but I don't agree with the whole idea that aspiring bb'ers should be lifting with a pure strength focus (barring say the first 8-12 weeks coming from completely untrained - if only to learn how to push themselves)

...just my 2 cents.

[Mav3535]

I'm gonna at least do cali until the day I'm 6 feet under

Weightlifting for 20+ years heavy probably doesn't do wonders for your joints. But it *has* made me more flexible.

I think that carrying around as much weight as an NFL lineman and being a "powerlifter" is really what is gonna wreck your joints. Staying lean and lifting heavy is probably less of a risk. Mixing in deload weeks and higher rep periods is probably not a bad idea either. Probably why 5/3/1 is a decent program... People complain that it's not enough volume but these other programs: at what cost to your joints long term? A lot of retired pro bodybuilders look like crap now... They look stiff and burned out, like their joints got too busted up.

Exactly why I'd never dreamer bulk and then keep that weight on in the name of higher PRs. Goodnight sweet joints

[G0S9G]

Just my 2 cents, but I really feel that a lot of these powerlifters who destroyed their body caused their own demise by injuring themselves by trying to increase weight too quickly, sacrificing form for additional weight and not allowing proper time after being injured for it to heal. It just seems that in this sport(hobby?) people have the mantra that pain is weakness, so ignoring nagging injuries and 'manning up' is the way to get through them. I've heard from tons of older guys who never power lifted that when they were young they hurt X body part and now it aches daily. So I don't think it's exactly prone to this one activity.

But maybe I'm young and naïve and will regret lifting heavy once I'm older.

[krioro]

Lifting for health LOL

[TheAmericano]

Just my 2 cents, but I really feel that a lot of these powerlifters who destroyed their body caused their own demise by injuring themselves by trying to increase weight too quickly, sacrificing form for additional weight and not allowing proper time after being injured for it to heal. It just seems that in this sport(hobby?) people have the mantra that pain is weakness, so ignoring nagging injuries and 'manning up' is the way to get through them. I've heard from tons of older guys who never power lifted that when they were young they hurt X body part and now it aches daily. So I don't think it's exactly prone to this one activity.

But maybe I'm young and naïve and will regret lifting heavy once I'm older.

-This is something that has crossed my mind.

[Zerafian]

been training 10 years, learned about that about 4 years ago. Though I dont think setting 225 as your limit will work for everyone.

obviously your talking about bench press, he should have said dont even do barbell if your concerned that going over 225 could be damaging. Barbell is the #1 shoulder destroyer in the gym.