How much merit does "IIFYM" have?

[WiseN8]

Ive been trying to eat clean on a regular bases. I lifeguard for the most part, but once in a while I will take up a shift at A&W, and I cant help but to take like a buddy burger or some chicken strips every now and then

If I were to meet my marco count by eating completely dirty as opposed to eating clean, would it still provide the same results? Or is eating clean way better for you in terms of muscle gain?
Would you say it's okay to treat yourself like once a week if you are eating clean

[Gxp23]

What do you mean dirty foods? Whats bad about burgers or chicken strips?

[Mrpb]

The terms "clean" and "dirty" have no objective meaning.

What matters for your health and gains is that you hit macro and micro nutrient sufficiency, while staying away from things like industrial trans fats and excessive fructose.

Other than that, you can eat as "dirty" as you want to.

[MichielN]

[Gxp23]

Save some for me.

[Remyqt]

If I were to meet my marco count by eating completely dirty as opposed to eating clean, would it still provide the same results?

Assuming your micros are on point

From the outside: yes

From the inside: No, obviously eating unhealthy food is bad for your health.

[WiseN8]

What do you mean dirty foods? Whats bad about burgers or chicken strips?

well I just assume it's bad for you because it is fast food

[Mrpb]

well I just assume it's bad for you because it is fast food

What if the fast food doesn't contain any industrial trans fats or unhealthy additives?

[MetilHed]

well I just assume it's bad for you because it is fast food

Yogurt is fast as hell. It must be "bad".

[Gxp23]

well I just assume it's bad for you because it is fast food

That is where you are going wrong. Dont assume, do the work so that you know what you are putting in your body is either "good" or "bad", just assuming something gives IIFYM no merit at all.

[Mrpb]

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[desslok]

Do you have to eat one extreme or the other? Have you ever heard of the phrase "everything in moderation"?

[STT816]

Save some for me.

if only someone told michael jackson about buttered popcorn being dirty

[timpapa]

IIFYM is fine in theory (it's a choice), but in practice it's a mess.

Just look at the responses in the this thread. Very worrying.

"There are no dirty or clean foods."

"Just meet your macros and micros."

Useless advice.

In fact, there are dirty and clean foods. If there are no trans fats, there are artificial additives. If there are no artificial additives, it has been pumped with liquid. If it hasn't been pumped with liquid, it's heavily processed at the expense of its nutritional profile. And so on.

The US is, arguably, one of the only countries where a McDonald's breakfast is actually considered normal.

[Haveboards]

IIFYM is fine in theory (it's a choice), but in practice it's a mess.

Just look at the responses in the this thread. Very worrying.

"There are no dirty or clean foods."

"Just meet your macros and micros."

Useless advice.

In fact, there are dirty and clean foods. If there are no trans fats, there are artificial additives. If there are no artificial additives, it has been pumped with liquid. If it hasn't been pumped with liquid, it's heavily processed at the expense of its nutritional profile. And so on.

The US is, arguably, one of the only countries where a McDonald's breakfast is actually considered normal.

Disregard this nonsense.

[ZMan45]

IIFYM is fine in theory (it's a choice), but in practice it's a mess.

Just look at the responses in the this thread. Very worrying.

"There are no dirty or clean foods."

"Just meet your macros and micros."

Useless advice.

In fact, there are dirty and clean foods. If there are no trans fats, there are artificial additives. If there are no artificial additives, it has been pumped with liquid. If it hasn't been pumped with liquid, it's heavily processed at the expense of its nutritional profile. And so on.

The US is, arguably, one of the only countries where a McDonald's breakfast is actually considered normal.

Useless advice huh? I don't see any advice in this post.

[Gxp23]

IIFYM is fine in theory (it's a choice), but in practice it's a mess.

Just look at the responses in the this thread. Very worrying.

"There are no dirty or clean foods."

"Just meet your macros and micros."

Useless advice.

In fact, there are dirty and clean foods. If there are no trans fats, there are artificial additives. If there are no artificial additives, it has been pumped with liquid. If it hasn't been pumped with liquid, it's heavily processed at the expense of its nutritional profile. And so on.

The US is, arguably, one of the only countries where a McDonald's breakfast is actually considered normal.

Are you blind?

"What if the fast food doesn't contain any industrial trans fats or unhealthy additives?"

"The terms "clean" and "dirty" have no objective meaning.

What matters for your health and gains is that you hit macro and micro nutrient sufficiency, while staying away from things like industrial trans fats and excessive fructose."

"Do you have to eat one extreme or the other? Have you ever heard of the phrase "everything in moderation"? "

Mrpb and desslok clearly addressed this. What makes a food clean? washing it under the sink? what makes it dirty? pulling veggies from the ground that you have grown yourself? Then we have this;

"If there are no trans fats, there are artificial additives. If there are no artificial additives, it has been pumped with liquid. If it hasn't been pumped with liquid, it's heavily processed at the expense of its nutritional profile. And so on."

Please go, and dont come back.

[timpapa]

Disregard this nonsense.

Please elaborate why what I posted is nonsense. Thank you.

[timpapa]

Are you blind?

"What if the fast food doesn't contain any industrial trans fats or unhealthy additives?"

"The terms "clean" and "dirty" have no objective meaning.

What matters for your health and gains is that you hit macro and micro nutrient sufficiency, while staying away from things like industrial trans fats and excessive fructose."

"Do you have to eat one extreme or the other? Have you ever heard of the phrase "everything in moderation"? "

Mrpb and desslok clearly addressed this. What makes a food clean? washing it under the sink? what makes it dirty? pulling veggies from the ground that you have grown yourself? Then we have this;

"If there are no trans fats, there are artificial additives. If there are no artificial additives, it has been pumped with liquid. If it hasn't been pumped with liquid, it's heavily processed at the expense of its nutritional profile. And so on."

Please go, and dont come back.

Stop this "wash it under the sink" nonsense.

Let me give you an example.

Subway banana peppers contain Yellow #5 and polysorbate 80. One of which was banned in Europe.

There is no subjectivity here. It's just junk no matter how you look at it.

That, to me and many others, this is not a "clean food." Objectively. To you, it's a just another veggie. But that's your opinion.

And so on.

[timpapa]

Useless advice huh? I don't see any advice in this post.

Read posts #3, #10, #11 etc.

Thank you.

[Gxp23]

Stop this "wash it under the sink" nonsense.

Let me give you an example.

Subway banana peppers contain Yellow #5 and polysorbate 80. One of which was banned in Europe.

That, to me and many others, is not a "clean food." To you, it's a just another veggie.

And so on.

And so on.

What does yellow #5 and polysorbate 80 do to you? In moderation?

[timpapa]

What does yellow #5 and polysorbate 80 do to you? In moderation?

Are trace industrial fats going to kill you? Is smoking a cigarette a week going to give you lung cancer? The point of this discussion is not what that does to you.

I am sure you can do your own research as to why one of them was banned as a food additive.

The point is that junk like that has no place in a banana pepper. This is not even about "growing your own". This is about ridiculous, useless junk that pollutes an otherwise perfectly nutritious and straightforward food.

In other words, that's not a "clean food."

(Also, if you allow me to extrapolate, the claim "in moderation" is what got America so fat.)

[Gxp23]

Are trace industrial fats going to kill you? Is smoking a cigarette a week going to give you lung cancer? The point of this discussion is not what that does to you.

I am sure you can do your own research as to why one of them was banned as a food additive.

The point is that junk like that has no place in a banana pepper. This is not even about "growing your own". This is about ridiculous, useless junk that pollutes an otherwise perfectly nutritious and straightforward food.

In other words, that's not a "clean food."

(Also, if you allow me to extrapolate, the claim "in moderation" is what got America so fat.)

Ok.

[timpapa]

Ok.

Thank you.

[XCRunner9]

Are trace industrial fats going to kill you? Is smoking a cigarette a week going to give you lung cancer? The point of this discussion is not what that does to you.

Um, it kind of does matter actually.

[Gxp23]

Thank you.

Lol.

Um, it kind of does matter actually.

[timpapa]

Um, it kind of does matter actually.

Sure. Even with that dimension added to the discussion, there are still clean and dirty foods.

[Gxp23]

Sure. Even with that dimension added to the discussion, there are still clean and dirty foods.

I think its easier to class them in a "whole foods" and "processed foods" area, instead of clean and dirty.

[Haveboards]

Sure. Even with that dimension added to the discussion, there are still clean and dirty foods.

Please try and define 'clean' or 'dirty' foods?

[timpapa]

Please try and define 'clean' or 'dirty' foods?

Read my earlier posts above. I included an example. If they don't satisfy your question, let me know. What is your opinion on this btw?